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lyaise
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Ok if there's one on the OP, then there should be the same for SW
Appreciate it's a correction to TC, but they simply don't look at the class performance as a whole, and in comparison to others. Remove a chunk of dps output and the inevitable outcome is a less preferred dps class, it's basic logic.
SW has seemed to be operating on bugs for a while now to keep it up there. Puppet of course, now TC.
What should be happening is a raise of other skills to compensate for this reduction.
It's a correction - But again with the SW, it's a bug hiding deficiencies in other abilities.
Appreciate it's a correction to TC, but they simply don't look at the class performance as a whole, and in comparison to others. Remove a chunk of dps output and the inevitable outcome is a less preferred dps class, it's basic logic.
SW has seemed to be operating on bugs for a while now to keep it up there. Puppet of course, now TC.
What should be happening is a raise of other skills to compensate for this reduction.
It's a correction - But again with the SW, it's a bug hiding deficiencies in other abilities.
...............vote for your favourite expansion..........
"Mod 6. Oh my f****** god. It gutted the game pure and simple. And what wasn't gutted was messed up by the poorly thought out new level cap and equip. The game never recovered from that atrocity".
..............not this one then.............
"Mod 6. Oh my f****** god. It gutted the game pure and simple. And what wasn't gutted was messed up by the poorly thought out new level cap and equip. The game never recovered from that atrocity".
..............not this one then.............
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If you want to kill class you're on great way.
But keep in mind this is DPS CLASS.
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
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its so sad to see that.
from mod 9-10 the sws i saw where like, uhh its a nerf but we can find a way to work with that. We will stay strong and make new builds and adapt.
Now all i see is: HAMSTER that gonna go pvp or delete my char
When I didnt know about the TC thing, I felt bad to see I was investing my time in my toon, running a dungeon with a very good HR friend and we together dealt the damage of a SINGLE person (GWF). I feel half useful, half useless, you know?
Anyway. 50-60% dps loss is a HUGE. I'm not crying, I don't care if they change it, after all it's not working as intended, but that was what was making us able to compete with the other classes. It's sad to know that when I ran CN, tiamat or FBI and I had similar damage to another dps class, it was a BUG. So yes, our class without this bug is WEAK.
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
@spideymt how do you imagine being DPS class without DPS?
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
this comment again shows that u know nothing about SW
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@the other SWs:
Like i said: No offense, but do you think noone cant play SW anymore cuzz they gonna fix a broken skill? I cant believe this. Yes, you gonna make less DPS, but is it really that much that you cant play SW anymore? Really? I cant believe they gonna destroy a class with this intention. Why should they?
I never said I'd stop playing SW. I'll keep playing, but I know I'll have a hard time being outdpsed by everyone because the skill that made me be COMPARABLE to the other classes was bugged. So, the way they found to make us comparable was a bug, and now they are fixing it without giving us anything in return to compensate for the loss.
It's 60% dps loss man, trust me. Like, we will do less than half the damage we are dealing now.
I'll adapt, yes, but I know my class will suck because we don't have other balanced skills.
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
I hope they come out with a fix making Buffs inline with debuffs so they are calculated additive instead of multiplicative. GWF will lose like 80% of his dmg but since its a fix there should be no need to make adjustments right?
If you're so specialist into anything that anyone had said - please show me ACT log of FBI run with SW/CW/GWF/GForOP/DCorOPheal.
Ty.
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
Now, after fixing majority of sw bugs and trying to rebalance us thanks to @amenar it was fine. But @amenar's rebalance stopped in middle as he left and yeah, devs are hamsterstorming us with another nerf/fix(call it whatever you like) without ANY looking into balance.
You keep talking about immunity. Other classes had it years ago. Staph it.
Mod 10:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Killing Flames deals 16636893 (1009292) Fire Damage to Ethraniev Marrowslake.
Mod 9:
[Combat (Self)] Your Murderous Flames deals 376274433 (18876929) Fire Damage to Red Tiamat Head.
It doesn't take long to see this. A couple of days at best - considerably less if you focus on logging group run outputs.
An optimistic view would be to hope the development team does the same thing. It's not a great deal of time. Such is the degree of reduction, the results are evidenced immediately.
I would ask the development team to hold off on this, then introduced in line with adjustments to other abilities to keep the SW somewhere near it's current level. Not asking for more, just a consistency with the SW output.
I know TC is not operating inline with your original intentions, there is no disagreement on this. But it has been disguising the lower performance of other abilities. Maybe these should have been adjusted some time ago, then the effect of TC would have been headline obvious.
But it wasn't, because it's used to compensate, rather than overachieve.
In terms of class support, their is only frustration when players see their character class performance subjected to significant swings.
You have listened to the player base in regard to the key change. Whilst I don't believe you had much choice with this, it's a positive to see a holding off until a hopefully more reasonable solution is introduced.
Please continue in this more considered mindset with the SW class. Step back a little and look at the broader class picture, rather than one action that results in a significantly negative effect to the whole.
"Mod 6. Oh my f****** god. It gutted the game pure and simple. And what wasn't gutted was messed up by the poorly thought out new level cap and equip. The game never recovered from that atrocity".
..............not this one then.............
GF does insane damage and it is a defensive class. Come on, SW is for damage output. I don't mind if cryptic prefer GWF and they want it to be the top, but at least don't render our class inferior to all the others.
so your questions (cant quote cause on mobile so ill just gonna write them again down here tell me if i missed one.
didnt SWs get some buffs in the past:
yeah we got some buffs BUT those where to compensate the nerfs we got at the same time. Going from mod 9-10 we still ended up with the nerfs having more negativ impact then the buffs where positive.
Didnt we get immunity:
What does 1 sec immunity give us in terms of dps? I can tell u its 0.
Yes u gonna make less dps, but is it really that much that u cant play sw anymore?
Its not that u cant play it anymore (the play button wont disapear) its just that the class will suck at dps. I did some runs on preview yesterday and my dps on Bosses went down by about 70%. We had a full buff group (acdc dodc mofrene tactgf. All good players and nearly BIS) and my hits on KF and Arms went down from 6-10 mio to 1-2 mio. Run a gwf in the same group with equal gear he would hit 10mio+ with IBS. DPS cw in this group instead of my SW would still kill the boss twice as fast if not faster. So yeah if u want to be a pure dps class u cant play sw anymore.
And as it stands the buff capabilities are bad aswell. Who will take a templock when the only thing he offers is a lousy 5k power share (with rank12 bondings share alrdy in)
Cant believe they will destroy a class why should they?
Cause they dont know what impact the change will have (amenar is gone so the new balance dev might not have had the time to really understand all classes to the fullest) or cause they follow their overall aproach to fix/nerf smth. Then watch a mod whats happening and then maybe make adjustments.
So any questions i missed?
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Anyway, thanks for your answers.
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After all the nerfs leave it how it is... that is no "fix", that is ruining a class.
If I've to be 1000 GS over a GWF to be equal or near by... thats no fix...it's a shame of dev...
Actual fury build will be the actual temptationlock in dps
Every half talented GWF, CW, Hunter, TR with a PVE dps build will beat any worlock with ease and significatly.
The "TT bug" could let us stay competetive to some degree.
Only way to compansate this is a fix is to lift weapon damage significantly, wich will lead to very huge basadamage, or find another way to selfbuff the class. Like GWF who can lift his damageoutput >x6 by stacking selfbuffs (once I did the math in mod 7 or 8).
A 3k Sure strike becomes a 100k Sure strike buffed.
We don´t need anything like that, only a minor buff to compansate 40-60% damageloss....and it has to be a stable buff wich is tied to the core mechanic, so either lift effectivness of WC and TT from 20% up to 100% again or do a complete rework, WC should be permanent (like lasting for 20 sec) and not be able to consume.
Otherwise this class loses it´s basis of existance ---> pure dps without dps= lol
In advance ! I don´t want a nerf to any other class, but please do not interfere in this threat and stop discussions having no knowledge about this class. Just step outside and let it be, it doesn´t look very smart argueing against something that is so obvious like the upcoming change.