Part of why it wasnt played as much as expected was just because it was outside the game. I remember playing it a lot when it was released for a long time on an iPad while watching TV, it was nice between commercials or slow parts in a show.
I'd like to have played SCA on breaks more than I did, but it tended to take me a really long time for me to finish a T6 game, and I couldn't consistently retain progress between devices. Interacting with SCA on multiple devices in a single day tended to create unexpected outcomes. Lag and dice rolls either skipping or repeating didn't help. It was fun when I could play it and I am really sorry to see it go, even though most of my interaction with it was getting the Shepherd and the daily D20 roll.
It might have been a nice activity alongside TV, especially for tablet-owners, but my home screentime is all computer.
@panderus While I am trying to understand and cope with the decisions, I would like to please ask that you PLEASE do not put the Loyal gear in a lockbox. I would prefer it to be more readily available rather than have it in a lockbox. Trade bar store comes to mind, that way people still have to buy keys to get it, but are pretty much guaranteed to get the pieces they want/need.
Lockbox is not likely where we would put them, no.
Personally, I would like to see the Lightfoot Thief come from some gameplay related activity.
Maybe an epic level leadership profession task??
That is an interesting and flavorful place to put them.
If that ends up the plan then do it sensibly...
Shepard in early leadership as a one off or as a short quest/added drop to existing quest ( for example have him found down the sewers in "Nest Egg" ), Loyals in the upper regions or even max of relevant prof but not as a rare job and Lightfoot as agreed at upper levels of LD ( even though I'm shooting myself in the foot here since I think my highest is still level 18 ) for example
Make those Loyals BOE to allow those who are already geared to supply those that aren't, even throw BTA versions in the TB store too for people without raised professions.
There's lots of ways to do it fairly and still provide a gating and also inherent revenue possibility too... whereas as @Kreatyve said Lockboxes probably would have an inherent Pitchfork generating possibility.
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@panderus I didn't play SCA a lot recently, but I have spent a lot of AD to upgrade some companions to epic or even Legendary mainly for SCA. So if there is a way to add this to the game, or some other way to use companions that are inactive (companion battles!), that would be really awesome.
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@panderus While I am trying to understand and cope with the decisions, I would like to please ask that you PLEASE do not put the Loyal gear in a lockbox. I would prefer it to be more readily available rather than have it in a lockbox. Trade bar store comes to mind, that way people still have to buy keys to get it, but are pretty much guaranteed to get the pieces they want/need.
Lockbox is not likely where we would put them, no.
Personally, I would like to see the Lightfoot Thief come from some gameplay related activity.
Maybe an epic level leadership profession task??
That is an interesting and flavorful place to put them.
it WOULD ad some use to leadership since you killed it (basically ) with other nerfs.
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I've not bothered to post on the forums before but I just wanted to let you know that when I first started playing this game, foundry and the gateway were huge sellers to me and I told my friends all about it. I loved taking my pets on a dice rolling adventure. I'm majorly sad about this decision, it was a great asset to the players of the game and has destroyed something I really enjoyed. Also, I don't believe that the players are going to see better or more content sooner because of this, I just don't trust you guys on that - you have given no information to indicate it is anything but an excuse.
Emotions aside, practicality means you'll need to add the pet gear and thief companion as available treasures in dungeons or HEs or something ASAP. The price on those things has already skyrocketed and they are items that are in demand daily.
Can we have a mini game client for portable devices? Those of us who support you with real $$ sometimes have to WORK and the gateway made this game attractive to us. Without it, it is far less attractive ... ** hears the sound of faraway virtual lands calling **
Please make it easier to search, sort and clear read mail items.
Can professions tell us how much of something we have or are missing? High VIP make it almost ok to get profession materials but can u add a market icon in game like for bazaar? The professions vendor we can summon is too ugly to deal with. And sometimes you know, our 12 months of VIP runs out and we take a short $$ feeding break while we figure out how much we still like this game and whether its worth coughing up$ for it the next time .. when that time comes, the green companion you gave me which I probably won't be using is not gonna be the thing that warms my heart and decides it for me.
And please add the 'time since online' info to guild roster. How are we gonna know who to kick otherwise?. What about 'read only' access to all the data so we can build our own tools to search and view it to our heart's content. Guild leaders would like to be able to export/analyse coffer donations and activity.
And if you do happen to look at the guild roster, can you please remove the bug that stops a guild in an alliance from seeing more guild members from a guild in their alliance their own total? Did you know that was happening? If my guild has 10 members the most number of members in another guild I can see is 10? Surely this is not 'by design'...
** One more thing **
The auction house on the gateway sorted more intelligently than the ingame version - can you add that to the game version. Main example is 'by price' actually seemed to work on the gateway where it does something different in game.
Still not happy tho.
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Please make the SCA accessible somewhere! I rather enjoyed playing the game, and I spent precious diamonds getting those purple companions ready to play. My three-year-old even enjoyed the easy tiers. Would you at least make the companion gear BoA? I'd like to spread the love to alts now that I cannot get new ones. Sword Coast Adventures was great; please don't kill it.
The companion is quite cute, but could you make the active bonus pack a better punch, please? It would help with the sorrow of losing the oh-so-handy Gateway and the amazing SCA.
@panderus I'd like to recommend adding the companion gear, or all of the SCA drops really, as further RNG options in the Foundry loot table. Perhaps limiting the loot table to the prior eligibility for daily quests (15+ minutes). That way not every drop from a Foundry chest would be seen as "worthless".
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Can we have a mini game client for portable devices? Those of us who support you with real $$ sometimes have to WORK and the gateway made this game attractive to us. Without it, it is far less attractive ... ** hears the sound of faraway virtual lands calling **
Please make it easier to search, sort and clear read mail items.
Can professions tell us how much of something we have or are missing? High VIP make it almost ok to get profession materials but can u add a market icon in game like for bazaar? The professions vendor we can summon is too ugly to deal with. And sometimes you know, our 12 months of VIP runs out and we take a short $$ feeding break while we figure out how much we still like this game and whether its worth coughing up$ for it the next time .. when that time comes, the green companion you gave me which I probably won't be using is not gonna be the thing that warms my heart and decides it for me.
And please add the 'time since online' info to guild roster. How are we gonna know who to kick otherwise?. What about 'read only' access to all the data so we can build our own tools to search and view it to our heart's content. Guild leaders would like to be able to export/analyse coffer donations and activity.
And if you do happen to look at the guild roster, can you please remove the bug that stops a guild in an alliance from seeing more guild members from a guild in their alliance their own total? Did you know that was happening? If my guild has 10 members the most number of members in another guild I can see is 10? Surely this is not 'by design'...
Still not happy tho.
They won't do anything like that they are just hoping we spend actual money on their game for refinement not that anyone with half a brain will
Here's a few observations I have thought of: 1. Watching the explosion of negative response from the gateway shutdown, I have something to say. If you think that Cryptic didn't weighed the pros and cons of alienating the player base against the time, effort, money and servers needed to keep the gateway up, you're dumb. Try to see it from their shoes, the bots have gotten so good that they can make a new account, make a character, complete the starting quests, invoke, run daily dungeons and skirmishes, and post up items for auction, then using the gateway they can max professions, spam run SCA for items and trawl the AH for any deals and repost all for profit. They can't ban accounts fast enough to fight the influx of new characters. And all that is happening with gateway up, 5% of traffic is legitimate players using it as its meant to, 95% bots abusing it to farm.
Actually you are incorrect. They dont care about the Gateway shutdown affecting players in the slightest.
Ill make it simple for you, and anyone else who thinks they worried before they dropped Gateway. Ill ask a few simple questions.
How many XBox players (potential paying players) used Gateway?
How many PS4 players (potential paying players) used Gateway?
How many XBox/PS4 players vs. PC?
theyve already given you the answer to that question, theyve also already given you how many XBox/PS4 accounts have been made.
PC is now an afterthought, were the niche market. We will NEVER be as profitable as the PS4/XBox crowd...so why waste time and effort on fixing things for PC, when you can allocate resources to the console.
If you dont think thats whats happening, your mentally incompetent. As my dear old dad used to tell me "Money talks, HAMSTER walks.", and PC is now the HAMSTER.
From this point onwards, were just going to be another test server. Thats it. Sure well get expansions, etc. Before the consoles. But thats only to test them.
These "ressources" that are now freed up, how are they going to help in the creation of new content?
I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how an additonal few infrastructure and security guys or web application specialists are going to help out with the content. I can also not believ that the financial cost or running the gateway was large enough to free up an entire new job role. What you need for content are game designers that can deliver a better experience than "Army Men: Sarge's War". You need game designers that both understand the psychology behind game design (specifically task resolution and reward mechanics) as well as the mechanical side of game design. For some reason I doubt that just such guys have been wasted on gateway duty for all this time.
Sad. I used the gateway from work. That way I could do my rofessions work 3x a day. Now, since I can't access the main game til I get home, I will only get to do professions 1x a day. That rots.
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It feels like the game is being dismantled piece by piece.
It's a sad truth , all the features that maked this game good and different has been removed: Gateway, Foundry, the epic dungeons etc If this situation continues, in a couple of mods they will shutdown the game
I am imagining that the misuse was around crating ... were or are there even botting on the sword coast adventure? It was a great little game and I enjoyed farming great gear for my companions. I am also going to miss the ability to look up other players, to go to the AH when not at home, to organize and clean my bags. Gateway did so much more than crafting, so if that was the only botting ... why close it all down?
I enjoyed Gateway and SCA. I really did. Gateway allowed me to check in on my characters, easily move AD around, buy/sell auctions, and set my tradeskillers to doing stuff (or even to check the rare profession tasks every so often) - all of which I could do from work (emergency services, so when we're busy, we're BUSY - but when we're not, we...play on our phones).
SCA also helped pass the time and allowed me to help equip my character companions, and occasionally even turn a profit with the loyal avenger gear and the ever-so-rare thief companion.
All of that is now gone, and with no warning. It just seems incredibly sad.
Will this game continue to be fun for me? Yes, I'm sure it will. But each time something happens (coalgate, the lack of expected epic dungeons in the revamp, the crazy grinds that keep coming, and now the removal of Gateway/SCA), the game becomes just a bit less fun that it was previously. At what point will it become so little fun that I simply stop playing altogether and look for something else? Probably not far from now.
In such a competitive market as MMOs, player loyalty switches with the wind - and currently, the winds are blowing away from Neverwinter.
@strumslinger@panderus did i read that right? a green companion? why green? is the love of gateway worth trash? a companion no one will really use and its green. why not give out a legendary companion cause gateway is a legend. we don't want to remember it as some green trash drop that you guys just give out. why not make us earn the legendary companion. or at least give us a legendary or epic companion. not asking much of a companion almost no one will ever use, but green is a disrespect to gateway being closed down. that is really just my opinion though.
Seeing a developer say they did anything about counteracting botting is just a slap in the face. They did absolutely freaking nothing. How many different skill node maps had THOUSANDS of instances. is that hard to fix? be creative. Make players have things in game that are worth doing to de-incentivize botting. You just keep taking sh** away. You copy a mod, add a new filter, and change a couple textures and call it new mod.
You realize Gateway was QOL. You scrapped it. QOL is why your game is now dying. You never were creative in combating cheaters. You always dropped a nuke... well guys this ain't Hiroshima.. You had such a good team to start and you got greedy. There is literally no way in the game now to get best in slot gear in less than 4-5 years haha.
I've never been replied to by a dev in all the years I've been here and I won't hold my breath. Just please... if you do. Tell me why. Why did you add insignias. why did you add strongholds and boons? why did you remove drops from dungeons? why did you remove dungeons? Why did you ruin/remove your economy? why did you create one of the largest power gaps I've ever seen? Why did you not balance pvp til mod f'ing 10 and it's not even close. You can't balance with feats when stats are the problem. You had some of the best pvp in mod0-3.. and you just kept breaking it. It's done though. You'll never have 500,000-1mil players again. Gateway is gone now, another 30-40% will leave. I'm glad I made my millions off it and helped gear out 50-100 people in items they never would have dreamed of getting. I don't even feel bad. But you should...
In game botting for professions may or may not be a problem. This was a problem when AD was being generated directly but there is less incentive for gold sellers to bot RP. On the other hand, there is not much else left for them.
And because of that exact reason, Leadership RP will be next. Gather and save ALL you can now!
@panderus Any chance we could see a bump up in drop rate from our dragon hoards and quartermasters? BtA isn't all bad, then we can use that RP for our toons and the little we can scrape out of leadership will help us with some AD or additional refining.
This was very poorly done and continues to show a complete lack of respect for your players. You took the chicken shat way out, dropped the gateway before the long weekend and ran away like kittens. I suspect I'd be banned if I used the other word for kittens eh?
My recommendation to any new player reading this is quit before you get invested. I'm too invested to leave so I will now officially stop putting money into the game until we see some QoL improvements for the many character slots you sold us! We bought them expecting certain functionality. Cryptic wasn't getting rich off of me but between my son and I we dropped a few $$.
Someone had mentioned account wide purchases earlier. I love the idea... You want to make more money, offer more zen items/packs with GOOD items account wide! I have purchased the dragon born pack on my account and also on my sons account. That's $150 generated out of thin air. If you made another one that was slightly different with the same(ish) rewards I'd buy it too.
Cryptic, Why do you try so hard to make us hate a game we love so much? And I'm not even talking about dropping the gateway here, I'm talking about RESPECT!
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The Gateway to me was a "time saver" i HAD 30 toons but now i'm down to 15. i can't do professions 3hours per day and still find "time" to play the game. So i deleted 15 low-lv-toons from my roster. Ask me someone owes me money for paid slots i'll never use. Also making a new toon meant another professioner. Whats the point of me making two cw's; only need one of each toon now...
Seeing a developer say they did anything about counteracting botting is just a slap in the face. They did absolutely freaking nothing. How many different skill node maps had THOUSANDS of instances. is that hard to fix? be creative. Make players have things in game that are worth doing to de-incentivize botting. You just keep taking sh** away. You copy a mod, add a new filter, and change a couple textures and call it new mod.
You realize Gateway was QOL. You scrapped it. QOL is why your game is now dying. You never were creative in combating cheaters. You always dropped a nuke... well guys this ain't Hiroshima.. You had such a good team to start and you got greedy. There is literally no way in the game now to get best in slot gear in less than 4-5 years haha.
I've never been replied to by a dev in all the years I've been here and I won't hold my breath. Just please... if you do. Tell me why. Why did you add insignias. why did you add strongholds and boons? why did you remove drops from dungeons? why did you remove dungeons? Why did you ruin/remove your economy? why did you create one of the largest power gaps I've ever seen? Why did you not balance pvp til mod f'ing 10 and it's not even close. You can't balance with feats when stats are the problem. You had some of the best pvp in mod0-3.. and you just kept breaking it. It's done though. You'll never have 500,000-1mil players again. Gateway is gone now, another 30-40% will leave. I'm glad I made my millions off it and helped gear out 50-100 people in items they never would have dreamed of getting. I don't even feel bad. But you should...
if your quitting the game can i have your stuff? i may be upset over changes but ill get over it and keep playing... closed beta was nice and sure its hard now a days but ill keep playing just like closed beta. @freshour
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Shepard in early leadership as a one off or as a short quest/added drop to existing quest ( for example have him found down the sewers in "Nest Egg" ), Loyals in the upper regions or even max of relevant prof but not as a rare job and Lightfoot as agreed at upper levels of LD ( even though I'm shooting myself in the foot here since I think my highest is still level 18 ) for example
Make those Loyals BOE to allow those who are already geared to supply those that aren't, even throw BTA versions in the TB store too for people without raised professions.
There's lots of ways to do it fairly and still provide a gating and also inherent revenue possibility too... whereas as @Kreatyve said Lockboxes probably would have an inherent Pitchfork generating possibility.
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Emotions aside, practicality means you'll need to add the pet gear and thief companion as available treasures in dungeons or HEs or something ASAP. The price on those things has already skyrocketed and they are items that are in demand daily.
Please make it easier to search, sort and clear read mail items.
Can professions tell us how much of something we have or are missing? High VIP make it almost ok to get profession materials but can u add a market icon in game like for bazaar? The professions vendor we can summon is too ugly to deal with. And sometimes you know, our 12 months of VIP runs out and we take a short $$ feeding break while we figure out how much we still like this game and whether its worth coughing up$ for it the next time .. when that time comes, the green companion you gave me which I probably won't be using is not gonna be the thing that warms my heart and decides it for me.
And please add the 'time since online' info to guild roster. How are we gonna know who to kick otherwise?. What about 'read only' access to all the data so we can build our own tools to search and view it to our heart's content. Guild leaders would like to be able to export/analyse coffer donations and activity.
And if you do happen to look at the guild roster, can you please remove the bug that stops a guild in an alliance from seeing more guild members from a guild in their alliance their own total? Did you know that was happening? If my guild has 10 members the most number of members in another guild I can see is 10? Surely this is not 'by design'...
** One more thing **
The auction house on the gateway sorted more intelligently than the ingame version - can you add that to the game version. Main example is 'by price' actually seemed to work on the gateway where it does something different in game.
Still not happy tho.
The companion is quite cute, but could you make the active bonus pack a better punch, please? It would help with the sorrow of losing the oh-so-handy Gateway and the amazing SCA.
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Ill make it simple for you, and anyone else who thinks they worried before they dropped Gateway. Ill ask a few simple questions.
How many XBox players (potential paying players) used Gateway?
How many PS4 players (potential paying players) used Gateway?
How many XBox/PS4 players vs. PC?
theyve already given you the answer to that question, theyve also already given you how many XBox/PS4 accounts have been made.
PC is now an afterthought, were the niche market. We will NEVER be as profitable as the PS4/XBox crowd...so why waste time and effort on fixing things for PC, when you can allocate resources to the console.
If you dont think thats whats happening, your mentally incompetent. As my dear old dad used to tell me "Money talks, HAMSTER walks.", and PC is now the HAMSTER.
From this point onwards, were just going to be another test server. Thats it. Sure well get expansions, etc. Before the consoles. But thats only to test them.
A question out of interest:
These "ressources" that are now freed up, how are they going to help in the creation of new content?
I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how an additonal few infrastructure and security guys or web application specialists are going to help out with the content. I can also not believ that the financial cost or running the gateway was large enough to free up an entire new job role. What you need for content are game designers that can deliver a better experience than "Army Men: Sarge's War". You need game designers that both understand the psychology behind game design (specifically task resolution and reward mechanics) as well as the mechanical side of game design. For some reason I doubt that just such guys have been wasted on gateway duty for all this time.
Gateway allowed me to check in on my characters, easily move AD around, buy/sell auctions, and set my tradeskillers to doing stuff (or even to check the rare profession tasks every so often) - all of which I could do from work (emergency services, so when we're busy, we're BUSY - but when we're not, we...play on our phones).
SCA also helped pass the time and allowed me to help equip my character companions, and occasionally even turn a profit with the loyal avenger gear and the ever-so-rare thief companion.
All of that is now gone, and with no warning. It just seems incredibly sad.
Will this game continue to be fun for me? Yes, I'm sure it will. But each time something happens (coalgate, the lack of expected epic dungeons in the revamp, the crazy grinds that keep coming, and now the removal of Gateway/SCA), the game becomes just a bit less fun that it was previously.
At what point will it become so little fun that I simply stop playing altogether and look for something else? Probably not far from now.
In such a competitive market as MMOs, player loyalty switches with the wind - and currently, the winds are blowing away from Neverwinter.
Very, very sad.
did i read that right? a green companion?
why green? is the love of gateway worth trash? a companion no one will really use and its green. why not give out a legendary companion cause gateway is a legend. we don't want to remember it as some green trash drop that you guys just give out. why not make us earn the legendary companion. or at least give us a legendary or epic companion. not asking much of a companion almost no one will ever use, but green is a disrespect to gateway being closed down.
that is really just my opinion though.
You realize Gateway was QOL. You scrapped it. QOL is why your game is now dying. You never were creative in combating cheaters. You always dropped a nuke... well guys this ain't Hiroshima.. You had such a good team to start and you got greedy. There is literally no way in the game now to get best in slot gear in less than 4-5 years haha.
I've never been replied to by a dev in all the years I've been here and I won't hold my breath. Just please... if you do. Tell me why. Why did you add insignias. why did you add strongholds and boons? why did you remove drops from dungeons? why did you remove dungeons? Why did you ruin/remove your economy? why did you create one of the largest power gaps I've ever seen? Why did you not balance pvp til mod f'ing 10 and it's not even close. You can't balance with feats when stats are the problem. You had some of the best pvp in mod0-3.. and you just kept breaking it. It's done though. You'll never have 500,000-1mil players again. Gateway is gone now, another 30-40% will leave. I'm glad I made my millions off it and helped gear out 50-100 people in items they never would have dreamed of getting. I don't even feel bad. But you should...
@panderus Any chance we could see a bump up in drop rate from our dragon hoards and quartermasters? BtA isn't all bad, then we can use that RP for our toons and the little we can scrape out of leadership will help us with some AD or additional refining.
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This was very poorly done and continues to show a complete lack of respect for your players. You took the chicken shat way out, dropped the gateway before the long weekend and ran away like kittens. I suspect I'd be banned if I used the other word for kittens eh?
My recommendation to any new player reading this is quit before you get invested. I'm too invested to leave so I will now officially stop putting money into the game until we see some QoL improvements for the many character slots you sold us! We bought them expecting certain functionality. Cryptic wasn't getting rich off of me but between my son and I we dropped a few $$.
Someone had mentioned account wide purchases earlier. I love the idea... You want to make more money, offer more zen items/packs with GOOD items account wide! I have purchased the dragon born pack on my account and also on my sons account. That's $150 generated out of thin air. If you made another one that was slightly different with the same(ish) rewards I'd buy it too.
Cryptic, Why do you try so hard to make us hate a game we love so much? And I'm not even talking about dropping the gateway here, I'm talking about RESPECT!
i may be upset over changes but ill get over it and keep playing... closed beta was nice and sure its hard now a days but ill keep playing just like closed beta. @freshour