How to handle combat Hrs? pvp

sirrappro · August 2016

As the new mod progresses more hr are going towards the combat tree, and with the new piercing damage their able to take down 60% of my hp within seconds. With their damage and lifesteal they seem pretty much impossible to kill if played correctly.

Any advice on how to handle them?

santralafax · September 2016

Still working on it. Obviously, red circles are to be avoided. I wish Cryptic would give them their own color--separate from TRs red circles. I don't bother avoiding TR circles so much. Warlocks put out the green ones.

Outside their AOEs, do you still find them so devastating?

santralafax · September 2016

Hmm... silence.

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rayrdan · September 2016

just stay aways from aoe and wait to land a daily.
dead hr

someonedies · September 2016

150k+ HP, 35%+ LS

But if you met a hungry one with 60% deflect, 60% deflect severity, say Ciao!

GWF is not viable at all.

someonedies · September 2016

Reroll to Opressor CW. Sadly this is the only viable way to handle it.

santralafax · September 2016

someonedies said:
150k+ HP, 35%+ LS

But if you met a hungry one with 60% deflect, 60% deflect severity, say Ciao!

GWF is not viable at all.

Unfortunately, I've met some of those. If you are tanky, with a lot of LS you can survive, but good luck bringing them down. And then their friends show up....

toplaymore · September 2016

M10 - GWF is dead.

gomok72 · September 2016

I would say wait for the balance pass, every class has this type of happy moment in different mods, some last longer than others (depend on how many posts are presented, daily on this topic).

rinat114 · September 2016

I specced PVP today after a few months of not doing any PVP at all, it seems pretty lost against combat HR's. You have to slot DS and if you're lucky you can two - three shot them (if you catch em at all), but the piercing damage will cut through your defenses like a hot knife through butter. Not much you can do.

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rayrdan · September 2016

arent 99% of the players skipping crit tho?

santralafax · September 2016

rayrdan said:
arent 99% of the players skipping crit tho?

I was wondering that as well. I've never had much luck with crit in PVP.

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jonkoca · September 2016

I've had a lot of gwfs still trying to go toe to toe with me in PvP, which is a huge mistake atm. The ones who do better trick me into blowing PG, then rush back in to whollop me something fierce while my cooldowns are ticking. A SH HR ward wouldn't go amiss either.

bajancloak · September 2016

I try to avoid 1v1 against BIS Hrs now. Avoiding the red works when not slowed by a TR or proned by a GF. In some cases you just blow up and its difficult to understand what exactly happened.

santralafax · September 2016

jonkoca said:
I've had a lot of gwfs still trying to go toe to toe with me in PvP, which is a huge mistake atm. The ones who do better trick me into blowing PG, then rush back in to whollop me something fierce while my cooldowns are ticking. A SH HR ward wouldn't go amiss either.

Hey @jonkoca, could you spell out PG? Not sure of that term. Thanks!

jonkoca · September 2016

Plant growth. Our biggest hitter, big circle aoe, bunch of spiky vines come out of the ground. Longish cooldown. Every HR will run with it, also probably Fox shift, and the third one varies, I run with hindering strike, a 360degree swipe, some go with thorn ward, another ranged circle aoe, and a shortish cooldown high damage strike.

santralafax · September 2016

What's the best way to minimize damage from their AOEs? AOE resistance? Since the red circles are more of a debuff, I assume that AOE resistance does not work, but I could be wrong.... At this point I try to tank them more than actually fight similarly geared HRs. They can fight (within their AOEs), range attack, and stack power/deflect ignoring ARP.

I'm a little surprised that they can have multiple AOEs running simultaneously.

jonkoca · September 2016

There'll most likely be two, one with a domed spiky plant in the middle - thornward, ticking away off the nearest single target, adding a slight debuff as well. That one's not a serious problem, you can probably outheal it's damage, however, it will also trigger careful attack proccs, which will also trigger piercing blade ticks if it crits and magistrates consideration etc., which will in turn trigger CA. That combination might be enough to negate your self heals due to insignia and boons etc.

Plantgrowth will be centred on the HR themselves, and this is the one you immediately should sprint out of, otherwise you'll die. Basically, if you are going to get in range of an HR atm. go in with something ready to disable him first. A prone or a stun.

If you do this, the HR will have 2 options, either disable you with the rod of restraint, or knock you prone with boars charge, and then land plantgrowth, at which point you can kiss most of your HAMSTER goodbye. Just watch the HR, and see what he has slotted.

santralafax · September 2016

What tends to get me is when the HR lays a large red AOE, looks much like a TR smokebomb. Dometimes he gets a *second* one off, covering much of the fighting surface. Then his attacks (or his team's) within the circle(s) are multiplied in damage. The circle is almost exactly the same size as the node itself--making it impossible to fight on the node except for short bursts.

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mayday · September 2016

santralafax said:
What tends to get me is when the HR lays a large red AOE, looks much like a TR smokebomb. Dometimes he gets a *second* one off, covering much of the fighting surface. Then his attacks (or his team's) within the circle(s) are multiplied in damage. The circle is almost exactly the same size as the node itself--making it impossible to fight on the node except for short bursts.

Are you sure that the circle is from a Combat HR?

All in all there are 3 red zones:
Thorn ward - something like a little bush that will shot once per second one person in range, it is not nod-wide.
Plant growth - long spinny vines, they come out from the HRs position and have a ”stopping” effect, Plant growth will tic every second you are within its range and affect up to 5 targets.
Split the Sky - another dangerous red zone a big cloud that covers the entire node and deals damage to every enemy that performs an attack. it is easy to recognize it because it is a cloud from were lightnings land. it is a skill only used by Archers, but is dangerous in mass fights when you hit multiple targets at once (it will hit you for every enemy you strike with an attack).

santralafax · September 2016

It does sound like Split the Sky. I can ususally handle PG.

lirithiel · September 2016

mayday#2798 said:

santralafax said:
What tends to get me is when the HR lays a large red AOE, looks much like a TR smokebomb. Dometimes he gets a *second* one off, covering much of the fighting surface. Then his attacks (or his team's) within the circle(s) are multiplied in damage. The circle is almost exactly the same size as the node itself--making it impossible to fight on the node except for short bursts.
Are you sure that the circle is from a Combat HR?

All in all there are 3 red zones:
Thorn ward - something like a little bush that will shot once per second one person in range, it is not nod-wide.
Plant growth - long spinny vines, they come out from the HRs position and have a ”stopping” effect, Plant growth will tic every second you are within its range and affect up to 5 targets.
Split the Sky - another dangerous red zone a big cloud that covers the entire node and deals damage to every enemy that performs an attack. it is easy to recognize it because it is a cloud from were lightnings land. it is a skill only used by Archers, but is dangerous in mass fights when you hit multiple targets at once (it will hit you for every enemy you strike with an attack).

FYI StS now does random damage to any mobs standing under the cloud of death, in addition to those mobs attackng you or your party. They somehow added that in stealthily as I was certainly unaware of it up until about a week ago.

mayday · September 2016

lirithiel said:

mayday#2798 said:

santralafax said:
What tends to get me is when the HR lays a large red AOE, looks much like a TR smokebomb. Dometimes he gets a *second* one off, covering much of the fighting surface. Then his attacks (or his team's) within the circle(s) are multiplied in damage. The circle is almost exactly the same size as the node itself--making it impossible to fight on the node except for short bursts.
Are you sure that the circle is from a Combat HR?

All in all there are 3 red zones:
Thorn ward - something like a little bush that will shot once per second one person in range, it is not nod-wide.
Plant growth - long spinny vines, they come out from the HRs position and have a ”stopping” effect, Plant growth will tic every second you are within its range and affect up to 5 targets.
Split the Sky - another dangerous red zone a big cloud that covers the entire node and deals damage to every enemy that performs an attack. it is easy to recognize it because it is a cloud from were lightnings land. it is a skill only used by Archers, but is dangerous in mass fights when you hit multiple targets at once (it will hit you for every enemy you strike with an attack).
FYI StS now does random damage to any mobs standing under the cloud of death, in addition to those mobs attackng you or your party. They somehow added that in stealthily as I was certainly unaware of it up until about a week ago.

it was posted in patch notes, StS is now really deadly.

santralafax said:
It does sound like Split the Sky. I can ususally handle PG.

remember that if Split the Sky is from an archer, then every crit of this skill will deal an aditional amount of piercing damage (about 4.5k per crit-hit) beside the base damage.
And as lirithiel mentioned, it will also hit a random target no matter if the target performs an attack or not.

hanniballa · September 2016

A large health pool will help, which should already have in order to avoid the TR SE one shot. Otherwise stay out of the aoe and don't make the mistake of running right up to them and trading damage. They'll hurt you if you do.

santralafax · September 2016

hanniballa#2401 said:
A large health pool will help, which should already have in order to avoid the TR SE one shot. Otherwise stay out of the aoe and don't make the mistake of running right up to them and trading damage. They'll hurt you if you do.

Frankly, they only seem to hurt in the AOE. But they have enough DR/Deflect you can't do much damage, if they are BIS.

hanniballa · October 2016

santralafax said:

hanniballa#2401 said:
A large health pool will help, which should already have in order to avoid the TR SE one shot. Otherwise stay out of the aoe and don't make the mistake of running right up to them and trading damage. They'll hurt you if you do.
Frankly, they only seem to hurt in the AOE. But they have enough DR/Deflect you can't do much damage, if they are BIS.

How much Armor Pen are you stacking if you can't hurt them? I've been chewed up by GWFs with high Armrpen.

santralafax · October 2016

hanniballa#2401 said:

santralafax said:

hanniballa#2401 said:
A large health pool will help, which should already have in order to avoid the TR SE one shot. Otherwise stay out of the aoe and don't make the mistake of running right up to them and trading damage. They'll hurt you if you do.
Frankly, they only seem to hurt in the AOE. But they have enough DR/Deflect you can't do much damage, if they are BIS.
How much Armor Pen are you stacking if you can't hurt them? I've been chewed up by GWFs with high Armrpen.

I used to carry 140-150 RI. Recently I dropped it to 110, which seems to work about as well on most critters, I mean players. It let me stack up a wee bit of power. But I'll experiment.

How to handle combat Hrs? pvp

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