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Can we fix gwf immortality "bug"?

silver11#9318 silver11
silver11#9318
 Member Posts: 92 Arc User
edited August 2016 in PvP Discussion
Just another addition to the madness that is pvp. Gwfs can be invincible it seems. From what I can tell, its a mixture of the steel defense class feature (with offhand power) and the daily spinning strike (ive heard slam works too). Basically you begin the spinning strike and you cancel it by running right before you actually start spinning. Then you reap the benefits of steel defense. Six seconds is a long time in pvp. These are just observations, i dont main the class at all so im not a sme in such matters. I also know that it could be drowned weapons, insignia bonuse, trans fey etc. but in a six vs. one in gauntl? come on. I do not have video evidence because I was only alerted to the possibility of this after it happened. I have yet to read any threads about this and do think this needs to be addressed. I didnt know if this was really a bug or not. Thank you.

Edit: Forgot to mention, daily doesnt get consumed upon cancellation.
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  • joshrdajoker35joshrdajoker35 Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    I'm not sure if this is why I hit zeros at almost all times against a few gwfs in Dom but between zeros and seeing immune during my control spells thankfully there was a tr there for a dunk with or without fray. But if above is the reasoning it seems a lil cheesy and like it should be fixed.
  • someonediessomeonedies Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    hmm.. offhand bonus
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    3,5 sec?
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    No-one uses stuff like this any more.
    Rimuru?
    Dead 🔪
  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    10 per cent. Outrageous!
  • silver11#9318 silver11
    silver11#9318
         Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    im on xbox, steel defense is currently 3 seconds at rank 1, 6 seconds at rank 4. i wish you were right, but ive experienced it.
  • trentbail21trentbail21 Member Posts: 433 Arc User
    People wont use it when it gets nerfed.
    Find me in game if you want and send me a domination/ gaunt invite. If you are good and im not busy ill play with you. Im not an elitist ill play with almost anyone.
  • joshrdajoker35joshrdajoker35 Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    Nerf ??? Only class balances were hr,sw, gf correct??
  • trentbail21trentbail21 Member Posts: 433 Arc User
    There were like 3 gwf changes but nothing extreme.
    Find me in game if you want and send me a domination/ gaunt invite. If you are good and im not busy ill play with you. Im not an elitist ill play with almost anyone.
  • silver11#9318 silver11
    silver11#9318
         Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    My only problem with this is the ability to be immune constantly. if you werent able to cancel the daily, all would be well. I didnt see a nerf to steel defense for gwf, only gf. correct me if im wrong.
  • trentbail21trentbail21 Member Posts: 433 Arc User
    we will just have to wait and see. maybe a pc member can tell us.
    Find me in game if you want and send me a domination/ gaunt invite. If you are good and im not busy ill play with you. Im not an elitist ill play with almost anyone.
  • silver11#9318 silver11
    silver11#9318
         Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    nerf or not, no class should be able to chain immunity like that. 6s or 3.5s it needs to be fixed ASAP. lets say it is getting a nerf, xbox should have months of this? that would be nice for gwfs huh? if you have the ability to cancel a daily then it should consume your ap entirely. i dont think people understand what im actually saying by the comments of 10s dr increase. thats miniscule (although it all adds up), the bigger thing here is the unlimited immunity granted by canceling dailies.
  • trentbail21trentbail21 Member Posts: 433 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    Same thing could be said for trs that can cancel their daily while flying through the air and fake you out to waste your dodges or hr's that use quarter daily bar dailies that heal 10 to 20% of their max hp with the steed.

    Most gwfs wont go swordsmaster because they rely on threatning rush to much and are generally pretty bad.
    Find me in game if you want and send me a domination/ gaunt invite. If you are good and im not busy ill play with you. Im not an elitist ill play with almost anyone.
  • silver11#9318 silver11
    silver11#9318
         Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    they should all be fixed in a timely manner. i play a tr, and i dont know how to fake a daily. i do know how to miss dailies... ALOT. It still shows thw animation, which is what you can be seeing. SE is easily avoidable, the only thing that makes it deadly is you dont see it coming but that sound is very obvious. This isnt a nerf overpowered things thread. What I described is a bug, simply put. Using it because other classes have bugs too is fighting fire with fire i guess, but is still wrong. Sidenote: as i said in another thread, SOD isnt a glitch. the only bugged part about it is the first strike bonus still being applied to SE after a smoke is thrown. The after hit that people are being hit by is SOD. Ive never done the bug so i cant speak from experience. Ask someone to hit you with SE without first strike. Enjoy a good laugh.
  • trentbail21trentbail21 Member Posts: 433 Arc User
    You can cancel your shocking execution by rolling. Great weapon fighters and warlocks can't dodge your daily. (our running animation or shadow slip doesn't make you miss)

    Im sure you've tried to dunk me a few times and saw immune though! =D
    Find me in game if you want and send me a domination/ gaunt invite. If you are good and im not busy ill play with you. Im not an elitist ill play with almost anyone.
  • manyvengeancemanyvengeance Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    But Steel Defense is a Swordmaster class feat, and afaik PvP GWFs are Iron Vanguard O.o
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    Wrong, not all GWF are IV , some BIS are Swordmaster like Riu and pretty deadly
  • joshrdajoker35joshrdajoker35 Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    Always seems to go one direction or the other to nerf or not to nerf tr&gwf. If a power or combination of powers, feats, features is broken and basically a "bug/exploit" it should be fixed. Off topic but gwfs groaned about sw's out dpsing them in dungeons, groan about tr's dunking them from full, groan about bilethorn glitch, groan about super frayed KF w TT in Dom, so I can only assume hr's will be there newest target for complaints. But the bottom line is a class ability w a daily that you can break and not lose ap doing so while proccing said ability over and over to gain immunity reads FIX ME to me. But that being said I guess if you find something like this why would you not use it to your advantage.
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  • joshrdajoker35joshrdajoker35 Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    Cancel them not burn ap & in turn proc a class feature for immunity over & over??? I don't man a tr why I ask?
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  • joshrdajoker35joshrdajoker35 Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    It seems as though you're missing the point this is a daily power being used & cancelled with 0 ap loss to proc 6 sec of immunity, not a daily being canceled that in turn does zero damage or anything else also a daily that when used can be dodged/blocked by all classes but 2 gwf & sw. Rinsing and repeating something that virtually has zero down time is different then using an encounter that gives ?? Seconds immunity with a ?? second cool down.
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  • joshrdajoker35joshrdajoker35 Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    Seems to me from original post and trents posts that it's the counter to EVERYTHING so I can only assume that you're a gwf so that obviously doesn't seem flawed, broken, exploited or bugged to you.
  • silver11#9318 silver11
    silver11#9318
         Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    By your attitude alone I can tell you use it. Sorry that ive brought your ugly secret to the light. There is a big difference between a daily being spammed (which gwfs could do if they used snail, burning weaps, dc sigil, etc etc) and a daily purposely being canceled to maintain not only 100% of the ap pool, but immunity to any damage. This is gamebreaking! Every person who commented here has gone with the 'he has it so i should too' argument which shows that it deserves a nerf. Any devs seeing this fix this immediately!
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  • silver11#9318 silver11
    silver11#9318
         Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    I am not saying take away its immunity, you misunderstand. Steel defense is a great defense against SE. My point is that by canceling dailies, you can keep immunity up for six second bursts WITHOUT using the ap. If that happens for another class, it should be fixed as well. I can tell you now a "canceled" SE consumes ap, its just very easy to regain the ap lost. That is a huge difference betwen the two. If you really care about this game and want pvp fun again youd want all of these things fixed, but by your replies I can see thats not the case.
  • bajancloakbajancloak Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 30 Arc User
    I am a BIS GWF SM and I have never heard of this "bug". I will have to try it myself and see if it’s possible In anycase depending on the IL difference, a GWF or any class for that matter can hold their own against at least 5 persons easily, especially if they have high deflect and the right insignias, life steal, drowned weapons etc. And I question how wide spread its use is (assuming its true) since I can count the number of SM GWFs I have met on one hand.
  • manyvengeancemanyvengeance Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    I honestly don't think it's a bug, maybe to the same degree as SE, just another ridiculous mechanic working "as intended", smh

    PS. And yeah, Steel Defense (GF and GWF) is getting nerfed real soon
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  • silver11#9318 silver11
    silver11#9318
         Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    Lol ap drains. Thats great. Its no secret that mostly everyone in game atm is a gwf. This thread isnt getting any attention, but nerf tr posts get multiple pages of replies. Talk about biased. Fix this bug, thats all. No suggestions needed.
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