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The AD changes are good, here are a few suggestions to round out the economy.
ltgamesttv
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The changes to leadership AD have been massive and have lead to an overall healthier economy imho. The prices of everything are coming down on the market. The Zax is becoming more and more manageable. The changes to GMoPs are helping to make this transition fluid and bolster the economy more. The changes to awards from Dungeons, PVP, and Skirmishes are beginning to empower players who play the content (Although these could probably use a little bit more AD rewards it is something that can be adjusted on the fly). All this is good change. That said, there are a few vestigial AD sinks leftover from the Leadership AD sink, if these are remedied the economy will look even better imho.
Firstly, and most importantly, are the Stronghold coffers which are going to be very problematic considering the massive amounts of AD required for upgrading structures. These costs are obviously based on the prior model of AD gain. This is the first change that really needs to take place so that guilds do not find themselves against an AD wall while they're farming like mad for all the other coffer currencies based off of content.
Secondarily, there are bazaar market items with prices which still reflect the devalued AD from leadership inflation that need to be addressed. Things such as the mount upgrade tomes and various transmutes/items.
Thirdly, the cost to upgrade companions is highly inappropriate considering the new AD paradigm. 750k is an enormous sum of AD now and should quickly be reconsidered and adjusted. This is especially so with the new legendary upgrades that people hope to achieve with all their companions.
Lastly, transmutations are too expensive at this point 50k ad has become a large expenditure now. Everyone loves to make a character their own both during the character creation screen as well as afterwards by trying to change the appearance of their armor and dyes so as to be unique. The AD cost is too steep considering the goal of simply looking different from other players, and it needs to be reevaluated/reduced imho.
Preservation and Coalescent wards are becoming more manageable considering the changes to Zax associated with a decrease in AD expenditure. The drop rates on Coals and Pres wards from weekly invocation coffers should be reevaluated and perhaps increased imho to help aid in this transition to this new system.
If these changes are made, in combination with those already made we will finally see "New" Players sporting BIS or very nearly before long allowing for more fun PVE farming and more viable PVP players to contend with. All this combined is like a rebirth for NWO that will finally allow a relatively pain free advancement with the potential of realizing BIS gear and farming end game content from every spectrum.
Well done devs for the changes, thanks for listening to the players, and watching the market closely! Keep making those good decisions! Thanks for your time.
Firstly, and most importantly, are the Stronghold coffers which are going to be very problematic considering the massive amounts of AD required for upgrading structures. These costs are obviously based on the prior model of AD gain. This is the first change that really needs to take place so that guilds do not find themselves against an AD wall while they're farming like mad for all the other coffer currencies based off of content.
Secondarily, there are bazaar market items with prices which still reflect the devalued AD from leadership inflation that need to be addressed. Things such as the mount upgrade tomes and various transmutes/items.
Thirdly, the cost to upgrade companions is highly inappropriate considering the new AD paradigm. 750k is an enormous sum of AD now and should quickly be reconsidered and adjusted. This is especially so with the new legendary upgrades that people hope to achieve with all their companions.
Lastly, transmutations are too expensive at this point 50k ad has become a large expenditure now. Everyone loves to make a character their own both during the character creation screen as well as afterwards by trying to change the appearance of their armor and dyes so as to be unique. The AD cost is too steep considering the goal of simply looking different from other players, and it needs to be reevaluated/reduced imho.
Preservation and Coalescent wards are becoming more manageable considering the changes to Zax associated with a decrease in AD expenditure. The drop rates on Coals and Pres wards from weekly invocation coffers should be reevaluated and perhaps increased imho to help aid in this transition to this new system.
If these changes are made, in combination with those already made we will finally see "New" Players sporting BIS or very nearly before long allowing for more fun PVE farming and more viable PVP players to contend with. All this combined is like a rebirth for NWO that will finally allow a relatively pain free advancement with the potential of realizing BIS gear and farming end game content from every spectrum.
Well done devs for the changes, thanks for listening to the players, and watching the market closely! Keep making those good decisions! Thanks for your time.
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I'd also like to see leadership fixed before the next expansion. It should take weeks not months to jazz it up, even if it needs to be a two step process (fix tasks that make NO SENSE now, re-evaluate everything later)
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The game offers solo content, so it seems reasonable that AD should be obtainable that way. I think I saw one of the devs post that they're specifically looking at something for solo players too, but without a dev tracker and with the walls of forum posts, don't think I can find it now.
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edit: Just to be clear I'm a relatively new player and I don't have any level 70s (or much of anything really) so the new system gives me some very scaled down rewards that, to be completely honest, are not rewarding at all.
What do you think Stronghold quests from the Builder, Ranger, and Master of Coin ("Sharandar Support" et al.) are? They are solo quests that are needed to build your guild's stronghold.
You can spend 45 minutes doing those, contributing to the guild but getting no rAD in return.
Or a social, grouping player who does not have all their boons will need to run campaign areas - again, with no rAD reward for their time spent.
The main thing that drew me to this game was the multi-level content. There were dungeons, campaigns, professions, PVP, role playing, etc. You could mix and match as you like. Everyone had their own way of enjoying the game: there was no right or wrong way.
Now SOME people would like to tell you what you can play.
I did campaigns, professions (yes Leadership AD from one character--WAI) and pvp. Leadership no longer pays anything and PVP only pays half the wages it used to. I'm told I can go "do dungeons...." And the variance of dungeons uh, isn't there. Campaigns continue to be an AD sink.
I am not opposed to AD associated with "solo" quests or campaigns but my concern is that they may be hesitant to do so because of the bot ability of solo quests, however this may just be my assumption.
However, there are a few things besides your post that should get looked into also:
The rationale behind adding AD to every quest is that it truly will benefit every player. Would even add in a bonus for actually completing every quest as a zone reward. The stated goal of these changes was to level the playing field and have players actually earn their AD by playing the game. Please show me how this simple suggestion is contrary to the stated goal?
1.4M ads everytime they introduce a new set.
If I have a new character to level up, I would be busy to do quests, getting boons instead of dungeon, skirmishes, etc. You don't get any AD doing so.
Maybe the AD sinks should of been reevaluated before the biggest source of AD was removed?
Leadership AD is gone, but we're discussing how to fix the economy after-the-fact. It's the chicken before the egg situation.
It's execution was sloppy and not well thought out, at all.
I'm not pointing fingers and certainly not blaming devs, but I am saying the decisions made that have pointed this game on the trajectory it's on had little to no foresite of the impacts they would cause and every discussion about this and related topics is nothing short of 100% damage control.
Shoot first, ask questions later is the reoccurring theme.
If a bomb as big as 'oh, we're removing AD crafting' is coming, there should be a clear roadmap to rectify an economy completely dependent on original monetary systems and plans to manage player-expectation fall-out. Instead we got a few 'we're looking into it.' And the leadership AD crafts are the same, minus the AD, even though tasks that take longer give less rewards. I'm sorry but my good detector must be malfunctioning.
1.Invoke? Welcome to the game today! here have 100 AD.
2.Turn in a quest? NPC:Good job, thanks for helping me out there, I'm a bit pressed for time and you helped my work load, here have 200AD, stop by later I could use some help with other things as well.
3.Run a dungeon? That dirty, rotten, meanie boss has been killing/robbing other adventurers, now that we have killed the boss in revenge, look what's in his treasure container (coffer,purse,backpack,corpse etc.), this gear and AD, sweet! Here is your cut, 1k AD.
4.Skirmish? NPC: Look guys, I gots me some troubles, I need "X guy" very much dead, if you can see to this task...I can see to you having 500AD for you when you return....we got a deal?
5.PvP? Oh look, now that I killed that pesky little TR that's been killing all my friends, I see why he was so tough to deal with, he had great gear! Well the PvP NPC is sure to give me some AD for this..sweet. NPC: This IS good gear..and I got a TR friend that would really like it too, how about 500AD, we got a deal? *shake hands*
So many players post here and say things like solo isn't play this is a MMO, well it might be not YOUR play, but it is someone else's play, who are you to devalue theirs for yours? Other players say this that or the other should or should not get this or that, who are they to judge...leadership AD was something they did, it was WAI, it was legit, now they say not *shrug* might have been too good, I'm not judging 50 alt armies, it was allowed, it was legit.
My premise is this, no play style is any more valid than another, as long as one doesn't take presidence over another who am I to judge? Right NOW, however, solo-content players are getting the shaft, this needs addressed, before other types. Then other content that is getting some AD should be looked at and balanced.
When it comes to doling out AD, they (devs) need to make every activity trickle out AD. It adds up, over time balances. To be idea, AD rewards should be a (TIME*LVL)= N(AD)AD per task, the task shouldn't matter, nor should your group status.
For a dedicated time expenditure there should be a exponential reward capped at an amount per day to avoid exploiting. I.E. Do 1x PvP,skirmish,dungeon,quest task = X amount of AD. Do 2x of the same, get 2x amount of AD, do it a 3rd time, don't get 3x get 4x AD. This will let someone hit max allowable AD per day rewards in a couple-few hours, then the spigot turned off to stop exploit.
It makes no sense not to reward solo play just because it's an MMO. The game isn't an MMO because it's trying to promote people being friends with one another ( ... Strongholds aside ...), it's an MMO because some suits apparently thought NWN3 wouldn't be profitable.
I hate them so much!
So, yes, it's a paradigm shift, but I'd argue the previous paradigm was unintended.
That being said, they're looking into alternative means of getting AD that does not involve running queued content. Now, whether or not that AD will be reasonable in amount or not, I don't know. But you have to remember:
At least for the player economy side of things, AD will be in the hands of people willing to do the content that gives it. That's perfectly natural for a game. In the old economy, AD was in the hands of the people willing to do the content that rewarded it-aka, having a leadership army. Which was a warped incentive.
Now, for the non-player economy (eg fixed costs), I agree that prices remain too high for many items.
It's almost as if you are viewing this change with those adjustments already made.
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