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  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Soooo.... where doed one get these enchants?
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  • fatgunsfatguns Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    Yeah we complain and use them becouze everything else is a complete disaster.
  • benskix2benskix2 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 674 Arc User
    icyphish said:

    There are many good GWFs that can beat me I am not suprised. My build focuses on mid range fights focusing on ranged attackers and quick mobile supports, its just my role in fights :)

    I thought your build focused on chasing SWs around and losing games :p
  • pando83pando83 Member Posts: 2,564 Arc User

    Met today a GF with both AP & Stamina drain. He was using KV + Guarded Assault xD

    Damn, that shiet is so broken ...

    Most PvP players i met in the last 2 days use the AP/stamina drain combo. AP drain in one overload, stamina drain in the other.
    When you meet PvP guilds premades/ groups, you can forget about using dailies or your shift mechanic.

    To buy the enchants you need grade 4 market.




  • ryoshinetteryoshinette Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 488 Arc User
    Ryoshin GF (4.2k)
    .Suicide Squad.




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  • ryoshinetteryoshinette Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 488 Arc User
    Who said it's broken? Dev's or frustrated players who has no access to new Craptic toy called - Stamina drain enchant? Huh?
    Ryoshin GF (4.2k)
    .Suicide Squad.




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  • asterotgasterotg Member Posts: 1,742 Arc User
    edited September 2015

    u just gota be on a whole diff level and be beter then that person u don't need anything u can even b 1k lower IL u just gota out smart them

    The other player has stamina and AP drain runes and 1k more IL, but you would win with skill? Lets elaborate.

    You dodge his attacks, wait, you dont have stamina. You use your daily clever, wait, you dont have AP. OK, I get it, you simply outdps him, but he has 1k more IL, dodges and dailies.

    The only situation to 'outsmart' them is a TR with first strike, first strike, SE and DC signil, waiting for a SW or GWF, but thats not more skill, but...

    PS. saw your post. If you are a GF and you can kill your enemy in one prone/ encounter rotation, it works, too. Still it is not a question of skill, IMO.

    Chars: CW, DC, GF, GWF, HR and TR.
  • chambermancerchambermancer Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    LOL if this HAMSTER is going to be happening in pvp, I'll take the sage NPC advice:
    The smart fighter quits while he's ahead.
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    So thats a bug abusing hunter in the vid?
    Even without these OL enchants you are not able to do anything...so it doesn't make a difference beeing disabled with or without stamina and AP
    C.rap game, nothing else... but hey someone said its a question of skill, you can go naked and beat him, you only have to be better...what an intelligent comment

    I took a look at the new SH PVP and its exactly the way I supposed, Premade/PVP guild stomp/farm pugs
    so byby SH PVP its a waste of time, Cryptic again did a good job, really they allways know exactly wich step to go to make thing worse and unbearable, thats a talent imo, not a good one but it is by sure a talent to suck that much

    implementing a PVP mod only few PVP guilds can take part and not vomit all time cause of disbalance
    and on top implement enchants that just break the hole PVP and make them unreachable for biggest part of community, it is a talent.....never thought something stupid like this could even exist, sry but tahts what i think abiout this BS
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    is more fun when you beat your enemies in stronghold siege when they use anything broken. so far 6-1 vs broken items.
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    only class that might get arround with these enchants is GWF class because
    1. unstoppable
    2. not need for dailies, your at will hits with 60k upwards
    3. recharging complete stamina all 7 seconds, even faster, using battle fury+ relentless battle fury

    so in case a GWF might think he is something special or a very skilled talented player .... no you are not, and the problem for most classes don´t hit you that much
    go play CW/warlock or any other class like GF (as written above) or some other classes that rely on sprint/block and staminagain etc.

    so time to grap my crappy GWF, build is fine like now and pimp him as hell, throw away warlock (he had his chance)
  • fatgunsfatguns Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    edited September 2015

    only class that might get arround with these enchants is GWF class because
    1. unstoppable
    2. not need for dailies, your at will hits with 60k upwards
    3. recharging complete stamina all 7 seconds, even faster, using battle fury+ relentless battle fury

    so in case a GWF might think he is something special or a very skilled talented player .... no you are not, and the problem for most classes don´t hit you that much
    go play CW/warlock or any other class like GF (as written above) or some other classes that rely on sprint/block and staminagain etc.

    so time to grap my crappy GWF, build is fine like now and pimp him as hell, throw away warlock (he had his chance)

    Dude, theres so much wrong in what your saying, first we dont hit for 60k+ even BiS vs BiS, nobody uses battle fury believe me ( pvp ), and so what unstopable? we still need to get to the damn things, unstopable aint making us rockets.
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited September 2015
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    Only sounds that your personal horizon about your own class is limited
    There exist more than one build, thats something i learned reading post and dicussing things in forum, even though its only a farming char atm
    talk to icyfish he uses this build, his at wills deal more than 60k, more as I remember his posts, but I did not want to enrage teh GWF-posse too much, and in case you want to know how ask him

    1. warlock...no stamina, no shadowslip...dead meat, i guess CW needs stamina too for his dodges? also dead, GF no block ...dead and so on
    GWF no stamina.....pop unstoppable, cc break+DR at least works even in case you can´t run, in case you play IV you use threatening rush to rush forward
    2. taking battle fury gives you full stamina, in case you spend some points in recovery it recharges quite quick, thats not that bad beeing mobile again
    so tell me exactly what is wrong about my comment that only says taht some class does not suffer same way as others in facing this crappy BS PVP in Neverwinter

    someone posted a guide about his personal build relying on recovery i remember, its another build that does not fit in your 08-15 world of GWF i guess
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    http://postimg.org/image/ui4jv2j3z/ 31 banners only from siege not strongbox who is more organized wins. we didnt rush our guild hall to have unfair-broken advantage.
  • jonkocajonkoca Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,586 Arc User
    Just got mine today. Fun in a bun. That GF never knew what hit him.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    Yes, I can confirm GWF can hit 100k+ dmg with 1 single sure strike on dummy target, but that build is not a practical build as it takes a long time to setup and would only last for 4~5 seconds, the chance is you would lose the 4~5 seconds from ppl dodging, blocking, becoming invincible (OP/DC), TR in stealth, GF on block or yourself being CCed (and you dont always have unstoppable) so practically this build is useless.

    I have tipped my build in GWF forum, but there's too much details and I am too lazy to write it all up... :expressionless:
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    Author of GWF Speed Demon PvP Build (Mod 11) <- Click to reveal the Speedy Beast! >:)
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  • fatgunsfatguns Member Posts: 410 Arc User

    @fatguns I do use Battle Fury from time to time in PvP - and if I'm correct icyphish as well!

    In replecament to what? oO
  • ravenanravenan Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    BF+HD+IBS/RS ? Large amout of stamina to chase teleporters, TR to gue to target and theres realy no need for stun opener.
    Main : GF - Lord Kruk
    Steel and Magic
  • grimahgrimah Member Posts: 1,658 Arc User
    Right now its tolerable i can just leave a game if its vs a premade full of those enchants, so its not a problem.

    But give it a week or two, and this siege pvp will be a big mess, all because of two items they did not even use one brain cell to consider what it would do to the class balance. TRs will reign even higher than before.
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  • chambermancerchambermancer Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    grimah said:

    TRs will reign even higher than before.

    Chuck daggers from stealth -> no stamina -> no dodge -> I Win button er...I mean shocking execution -> leet skillz!!!1

    'Course I'm used to it as a SW this is my life all the time. But others will feel our pain and then maybe something will finally be done about that class. I know wishful thinking, right?
  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    scenario bad wizard ( with fey and lostmauth) vs good wizard( valindra set and a vorpal) :both drain each other stamina the bad wizard which dont know how to dodge and when to dodge wins because has the broken stuff thanks cryptic.

    Other example even if i avoid my 1vs1 enemy to land me hits with the stamina ward if the same time a cleric hit me with att wills and drain my stamina is that all about skills? I Dont get it.
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  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    I don't evevknow what they are
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User

    grimah said:

    TRs will reign even higher than before.

    Chuck daggers from stealth -> no stamina -> no dodge -> I Win button er...I mean shocking execution -> leet skillz!!!1

    'Course I'm used to it as a SW this is my life all the time. But others will feel our pain and then maybe something will finally be done about that class. I know wishful thinking, right?
    Ask more defensive mechanisms to classes which suck instead write comments like feel my pain lol. IS not balance 10 players in domination for example with zero stamina.

  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited September 2015

    @fatguns There are plenty viable combinations and you have to choose them to fit your playstyle and the situation.

    HD - BF - TD/FLS/RS/IBS.



    Sometimes I do not even use RS/IBS, rather a stun encounter coupled with BF because at-wills buffed by BF hit pretty hard.



    Furthermore is it impossible to catch you if you make mistakes and have to run away xD

    its a setup more or less like this as i remember
    destroyer: great weapon focus 5/5 , disciple of war 5/5, unfettered strikes 5/5, relentelss battle fury 5/5, focused destroyer 5/5+ capstone
    sentinel: unstoppable recovery 5/5, powerfull challenge 5/5, countless scars 5/5
    can´t say if its 100% correct, but that way more or less
    Battle fury, HD, takedown --> recharges very quick and stuns+ in case you miss it give you a second chance more or less, crits for 50k upwards with my HAMSTER-GWF
    IBS is a waste of time 90% of cases you miss, FLS...against TR i guess
    even having a bad equipped GWF it works ok
  • fatgunsfatguns Member Posts: 410 Arc User

    @fatguns There are plenty viable combinations and you have to choose them to fit your playstyle and the situation.

    HD - BF - TD/FLS/RS/IBS.



    Sometimes I do not even use RS/IBS, rather a stun encounter coupled with BF because at-wills buffed by BF hit pretty hard.



    Furthermore is it impossible to catch you if you make mistakes and have to run away xD

    its a setup more or less like this as i remember
    destroyer: great weapon focus 5/5 , disciple of war 5/5, unfettered strikes 5/5, relentelss battle fury 5/5, focused destroyer 5/5+ capstone
    sentinel: unstoppable recovery 5/5, powerfull challenge 5/5, countless scars 5/5
    can´t say if its 100% correct, but that way more or less
    Battle fury, HD, takedown --> recharges very quick and stuns+ in case you miss it give you a second chance more or less
    IBS is a waste of time 90% of cases
    even having a bad equipped GWF it works ok
    You need to react quick eneugh and be effective at landing IBS, onece you are you will mostly never want to take it out of your bar >.>
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