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just came back to game and was shocked
as of right now on my server is somebody buying 2,700,000 zen at 500 each that's what 27,000 dollars in zen that's 1.3 billion diamonds
first have to wonder if all those astral diamond were obtained legaly find it very hard to beleave they were if I were looking for exploiters that would be who I would first investagate.
secondly with larger order like that that just gets bigger every day the average joe like me can't even use the exchange because that order that's ahead of me never gets filled.
so my question is what if anything is being done to fix this issue normaly I wouldt mind would just buy the zen with cash but things tight this month what spare cash I have is going to go to vip when strong holds launches and maybe something cool if something is added to shop I like.
but that aside you can usualy find most of the items in the auction house anyway but there are some items like char slots and other things that give no items that can be placed in the ah. maybe that's an anser make all items in the store even services give an item that can be sold on the ah then can forget about the exchange all together and just buy what I want.
as of right now on my server is somebody buying 2,700,000 zen at 500 each that's what 27,000 dollars in zen that's 1.3 billion diamonds
first have to wonder if all those astral diamond were obtained legaly find it very hard to beleave they were if I were looking for exploiters that would be who I would first investagate.
secondly with larger order like that that just gets bigger every day the average joe like me can't even use the exchange because that order that's ahead of me never gets filled.
so my question is what if anything is being done to fix this issue normaly I wouldt mind would just buy the zen with cash but things tight this month what spare cash I have is going to go to vip when strong holds launches and maybe something cool if something is added to shop I like.
but that aside you can usualy find most of the items in the auction house anyway but there are some items like char slots and other things that give no items that can be placed in the ah. maybe that's an anser make all items in the store even services give an item that can be sold on the ah then can forget about the exchange all together and just buy what I want.
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That is all of our orders added together, not one person.
PANIC!
It's just how the exchange works. The only "solution" would be to lift the cap. It's not about illegally generated zen (I myself put a few hundred thousand AD in zen exchange orders for instance), it's about the fact that zen is just that good right now.
As a heads up, items you can find on the AH that are from the zen store have, recently, worked as follows:
Person with AD buys zen on the exchange.
Person opens Refining Boxes to get coupons. Person gets, say, 15% off any item. Buys a coalescent ward. They need to recoup 850 zen (425000 AD) to break even. 10% AH cut means that they can sell the ward on the AH for between 472223 and 500000 (with 500000 being the price that someone would have to pay to buy a coal ward at full price).
HOWEVER!!! When zen is in tight supply, because there's a large backlog, it's possible to buy extremely commonly needed items like preservation wards and sell them on the AH for a direct markup even without coupons. Basically, the people patient enough to wait in line end up selling the priviledge of instant access to zen items to people who don't want to wait but have AD to spare.
you used to be able to charge 60k for a batch of 10 preservation wards, despite that they only cost 50,000. But I for one am going to be hoarding my zen until the VIP passes come out; wanna buy three months worth.
Technically the ZAX is not broken it's working as intended, the economy of AD production and stores however, may or may not be broken all we know is they're being monitored. Whether things are headed in the intended direction or where the intended destination is is known only to Cryptic and PWE.
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But, well, that was before the VIP mode. VIP mode changes. Everything.
All that would do is cause runaway inflation. A hard cap is necessary to keep the market "sane".
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I will say that, a hard cap makes some sense, because a lot of items in NWO are based on a hard cap. Wondrous Bazaar items for instance. But, even then, you can really simply say "Well, how many dragon eggs is 1000 zen worth?"
Well, 1000 zen is worth 30 keys now, so-
And those keys will be bound to account, so they can't be used as a direct medium of exchange. I do feel that lockbox items will eventually come down in price, as more will be opened...
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So, I mean, let's say before, keys "cost" 75 zen (-40% price coupons). Items were priced accordingly. now, for easy math, the 30/month means keys "cost" 37.5 zen (less than that but SHUSH THIS IS A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT). But oh no, they just doubled the max price of zen in terms of AD!
The assumed equilibrium price in terms of AD of items basically won't change. Of course, in practice they will-because more people are opening boxes because that's the resource they have, so yeah, I expect the price of lockbox items to take. But it's 100% true that removing the AD cap will cause that decline in prices to be less than it otherwise would be.
I just want Dragon Eggs to drop from Lockboxes again, so it isn't impossible for me to make a profit with my purple tools
Oh <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. The value of my purple tools is probably going to decline again, since more booster packs and the like will be on the AH. Tch, so much for my net market value.
*deep breath*
So no, lifting the AD cap will absolutely not help anything, and will in fact make things much much worse.
Oh, and by the way - a good rule of thumb is 36 hours per 1 million of backlog.
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And if i'm not mistaken, a lot of AD will vanish into Strongholds, which might mean that some people will buy ZEN and feed the ZAX to shorten the guild grind...
And just one double RP weekend can clear a backlog within a day...
And there is the chance on 2x RP coming from the Stronghold community event...
Overall it's a good thing that the ZAX has a limit. Otherwise new players would never get a chance on getting any ZEN from it.
Sorry but you're clueless. Removing the cap will not remove AD from the market. AD will simply change the owner, that's all. You're missing the point where players would spend a lot more real cash if they could get more AD from it. It would also indirectly hit all the botters because they would've to offer better exchange rates (and run out of their AD faster).
go to Russia and see how good is lifing with a cap on lot's of things, then you will realize why everybody runs away from this sh.t hole.
This topic has been discussed over and over and over - lifting the AD cap on the market would be a massive disaster. Simple as that. That limit has been in place as long as that market has existed (starting in STO many years ago). It's not going anywhere because, luckily, Cryptic understands how much of a disaster it would be.
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Take the coalescent ward for example, valued at 1000 zen. At current rates, this is worth 500,000 AD. If the ZEN:AD rate were to increase from 1:500 to 1:1000, the in-game AD cost of a coalescent ward would be 1 million. This would effectively almost double the cost of enchantments.
Now why do people buy ZEN and exchange it into AD? To afford said items on the AH. While the amount they would need in ZEN would be roughly the same, for everyone else, the AD costs of items would increase. For the average gamer, every task you do to obtain AD would be less worthwhile to do.
So, yeah, prices would go up.
What you said would be true IF there was a limit how much AD you can generate, but there's none that could stop you from getting millions of AD per day.
For example:
When i started playing NWO i could barely get 8k ad per day. Several months after, i've 5 characters lvl 70, 3 of them got 20+ lvl leadership, 2 other are close to it. I can generate 24k AD on each of these characters from Invoking, Leadership task and salvaging few items from dungeons.
Value of AD decreasing is not a problem when you can increase the amount of AD you get. With 50 character lvl70, 25lvl leadership each you can get 1.2kk AD PER DAY, without actually playing any quests. Maintaining all those characters will also take less than doing all the dailies for AD on one character.
50 characters limit can also be bypassed by creating more accounts, buying let say gmops on that second account or some item from AH (that was posted by your main account) and this way you can transfer AD or gmops between accounts.
The only players who still buy AD with ZEN are those who:
- dont have much time to play and can affort to spend several $ every once in a while
- players who want to support the game they enjoy and are unaware about the rewards from having leadership army
- players who are too lazy to make leadership army
- really rich people who earn so much real $ that it's no difference for them where they get their AD as long as its
I mean, I get that gateway leadership was super convenient, but I somehow doubt leadership army is how the game was intended to be played. By having it be a thing, you basically have to force other players to do the same thing, and considering how mind numbingly tedious it is, that's just all sorts of awful.
Don't worry, nerfing the gateway they really took the wind out if it.
But if you talk about the "professional" ones, not by a long shot.
Those just run their bots now ingame...
SNR, disconnects during logging between characters and even some game crashes starting just at the same time, they took Leadership from The Gateway.