At this point in the game if you still think trs are the end all be all then you need to quit this game and go back to runscape
it is not the end, but theycould have some fix. still makes no sense they have piercing damage that bypass tenacity. Nothing should bypass tenacity, it is a pvp resist thing, it is dumb.
also, well, armor piercing should not even exist at all. this gives tr the privilege to stack power/recovery on their off without needing to worry on armor pen.
> @mizzou0 said: > PVP gear is not hard to obtain. I got all of the T1 gear over a weekend. That was all 100% pugs before I joined a pvp guild.
How do you get full pvp gear over a weekend when they require seals of triumph that you can get like 2 a day if you don't sleep? Did i miss something? It took me like a month to obtain enough seals.....
Mizz did say T1 gear which doesn't require seals and depending on which class you play can hold you over until you save up enough for a profound set. If you look at the gear you'll see that most of the time the profound set is barely any better than the grim which is why I never understood the people who would run around in trash gear for almost a month just to go straight to wearing profound.
If you know how to use your class correctly you will find yourself overpowered im a rouge theres always good and bad rouges arent over powered at all. Learn to use your class.
You cant complain if your just not as good or dont have as much PvP gear as others. Most people are rouges thats why they are usually the best having full pvp gear. Rouges are not OP. You just must be a noob to PvP. "Examples below are ways I die because some know how to use that class"
Examples good against rouge:
HR: roots you forever your dead before you even get out.
CW: Choke/freeze you all day long until you die.
Warlock: Way! too much damage, your gone if you dont kill them first or dodge them.
GWF: Nothing this class really needs to be buffed for pvp, they are nice in pve though!
TR: They somehow can daze you forever they just need to remove that HAMSTER from rouges. "Best way to take out another rouge"
I use my class correctly and I can make two TR's feel useless at the same time. WTB Nerf.
Aside from trolling,
From a GF tank perspective who can sit all day with any class and anybody, TR's are the only ones that can take away 40% of my 50khp/5k+def/1k+tenacity 70%ish Damage Reduction/ -25% combat advantage damage in one hit, and still have left over encounters to try to finish up the job.( I posted a video of Minitos from Denial doing as such earlier in the post to show video evidence for my claim). All other classes have to do a full rotation of me not blocking to maybe equal that. Or, they need to have two people on me, catch me with my shield down, and both of them spamming all they have to take me out while I'm cc'd. Also, can check all the vids I've posted as Objective evidence towards the problems of TR's over the subjective of what people "feel" or "think" or "know."
We should also take more into consideration a post such as the one Gannicus gave us a few post up. He has objective, true and reliable data and information about game mechanics and how they are inconsistent with other classes, hence giving an advantage to that class (TR's). The, "Play your class better," "You suck," "It's your gear," and all other subjective comments are flawed and of no use.
Finally, it's unfortunate that we can sit here and talk forever, but that our destiny in class balances is already predetermined.
and just something I want to point out from an above post. I added punctuation for clarity.
-"If you know how to use your class correctly you will find yourself overpowered."
-"GWF: Nothing, this class really needs to be buffed for pvp."
It doesn't prove that TR's are OP, it just shows there is a presence of balancing issues which gives evidence for there being a higher probability of the scale being tipped for TR's.
/"That's subjective sir."
/"You're right, but it's backed up by circumstantial evidence at least."
shoukon is right. it is past the time people stop use the "you need to learn how to play". "you need to get geared".
look at the leaderboards and see how many trs are on it. They can even solo q farm leaderboards because their class is easy to do it and smash pugs.
some teams are running really lame comps of 4 trs 1 dc. Any average player running this comp with a decent gear will win 99.99% against any other comp.
I think it is stupid how they gave trs way too much stuff.
-Scoundrels: More cc than a HAMSTER CW...
-Executioners: Shadow of demise HAMSTER damage on pvp that ignores deflection/tenacity/damage resistance + feats sthat make this class very powerful in damage output.
-saboteurs: a lot of survivality, they can basically permatealth, and still kill you throwing daggers at you because of another lame piercing damage feat (that ignores dr/deflection/tenacity).
Not only that, but a basic tr has also:
almost four dodge rolls
high deflection chance with a high deflection severity (why do tr have higher deflection severity higher than other classes when they are a dam rogue class not a dam warrior). It is super hard to hit a tr as a fighter/warlock/etc. and there is nothing more frustrating than when you finally hit them they deflect and make you hit by 25% of the damage.
Then give this class also stealth and more mobility than a GWF basically making you run entire rivenscar ruin in seconds.
Now give this class a daily that prone (whispering knife) or a daily that basically 1 shot people (shocking execution, that also ignores Damage resistance, and even unstoppable).
Now, bring to the game an artefact necklace that makes your character builds 4% Action point every 3 seconds in combat.
Guess who is benefiting most of it right? yes that is right. trickester rogues. basically shocking execution you every 15, 20 seconds:)
The leaderboards alone show that the class is broken, but yet so many here think the class is ok.
The class was NERFED ON THE END OF MOD 5 ON PC FOR A REASON. Yet cripitc did not nerf it on here...
the class was also nerfed on mod 6 for a reason. Yet, criptic did not do it here.
I am honestly getting frustrated with the game, and I don't think it is cool to be running 4 trs comps, 3 trs comp. this is game killing. there is no fun in that.
fact is, trs were ok on mod 3/4. Why did give them this buff?
as a gwf it is extremaly hard to fight a good tr. You want to keep the tr broken damage. fine, but then give my class what was broken also. give me back roots on roar, give me back the double destroyers purpose damage, make frontline surge do twice as much damage and prone together with takedown. Make bravery deflect for 15% again.
If your running a DPS class without a lantern or a healer/tank without a token of free movement and your moaning about the rogues its your own fault.
TR's are easy to use is the thing, all of you who say "I know how to play but dont know how to deal with them" really dont know how to play so learn the mechanics and you'll be fine.
Any word on what they plan to do about Rogues? I'm not in the mood to read a thread this large.. We all know they're OP. Just asking what they plan on doing about it and when.
Yes, I am indeed mad. Every class I encounter, I have a nice, long, balanced battle. Even when going guardian fighter against control wizard. All the powers are balanced more or less, and do little damage... And then we have the rouge... The guy who can dodge all encounter powers, go invisible, teleport, and one shot anyone who's not a guardian fighter... How did this make it past Q&A? I have to frantically fight for my life, to barely even hurt a rouge as my Warlock, Hunter, and Guardian classes. I can win a 1 on 1 no problem against any other class.
I Have Request a Change to the Rogue for PvP, if there's anything you'd lie to add please post in suggestions and requests under player feedback
If your running a DPS class without a lantern or a healer/tank without a token of free movement and your moaning about the rogues its your own fault.
TR's are easy to use is the thing, all of you who say "I know how to play but dont know how to deal with them" really dont know how to play so learn the mechanics and you'll be fine.
oh yeah, I will use oghmas token because my unstoppable is not enough to make me cc immune. I forgot it give me super heals and make trs armor piercing damage not ignore my deflect/unstoppable dr/dr/tenacity and that it also gives me an extra 30% damage resistance. I also forgot it is a super artefact that has a 10 seconds cool down. thank you for showing me something so good to balance trs. You know I am being sarcastic, and I hope you were too. your suggestion is so bad that if you don't know, ogmahs cannot even be cast to break daze (silence).
Any word on what they plan to do about Rogues? I'm not in the mood to read a thread this large.. We all know they're OP. Just asking what they plan on doing about it and when.
well, at the end of mod 5 on PC they did nerf shadow of demise, fixed sod glitch, and reduced the duration of their daze. And just recently they nerfed the armor piercing damage of saboteurs. those things were nerfed on PC for a reason, the players there experienced the same hell we are.
I was hoping they would bring at least the two first fixes to xbox on the last patch, but they didn't. I think if enough players post and complain about those feats on the feedback forum they are more likely to fix it. The trs population is huge now, and a lot of them are still making money. So I suspect if there is not enough feedback about it they wont do anything about it. But this is bad on the long run, just like in the mod 3 that they decided to nerf gwf only after 80% of the players became gwfs, the other classes started to quit, and the gwf players got bored.
If you deny that the rogue is clearly OP in pvp than you are in denial of your own stupidity. I have a fully PvP spec CW meant for pure dps and control but I guess my 25% damage reduction and 1k+ tenacity means nothing to a rogue that can 1 shot you from invisibility. (yes I know you can see them if they are close but if the connection is bad you don't have this option anymore).... dev's have to do something about this obvious problem. I don't remember any rogue in any of the books being this OP even Artemis Enteri would have to agree
As of Monday, July 6th 2015, the current first 25 pages of PvP Standings are as follows:
TR: 156 HR: 95 CW: 72 DC: 51 GF: 13 SW: 8 GWF: 5
Rogues alone make up 39% of the top 400 players. That's almost double the next top two! (HR and CW at 41.75%)
The class that Rogues constantly keep saying is well balanced is the GWF.... Want to guess why they think that? I would have done the K/D ratio, but data mining by hand is boring and time consuming. Hope the work is appreciated... at least by non-rogues.
Think about it this way, ask yourself "Why do I PVP?". If you're like me, you probably answered along the lines of:
"I'm super competitive."
"I love tearing other people up, showcasing my skill as a player."
"I love the group aspect of PVP and being able to strategize with my guildies/friends."
If you didn't answer something similar, you're not necessarily wrong, but I'd be curious as to why you PVP.
Ultimately, most people plan on playing with the intent to win and to play the best of their ability, no matter the class.
If your class was overpowered and satisfied all your PVP needs, would you scream for the nerf hammer? Would you tell people to L2P or get more PVP gear?
I completely understand why people defend TRs as not being overpowered. A lot of time, effort, and money was probably spent learning to perfect and hone your skill playing one. The thing is though, all the other classes have spent the same time, effort, and money and are just as skilled on their class, but they can't compete with all the perks of being a TR.
When you can't PVP and be competitive, showcase your skill, or play in a group with friends (unless your running 2+ TRs), why would you PVP? I for one do not play with the intent of losing.
All I would like is for PVP to be balanced. Those close call games, win or lose, are always the most fun and enjoyable, as I am sure a lot of people would agree.
Every MMO has a class or classes that are OP, but this is ridiculous.
Oh come on quit the moaning!!! I'm a high specced rogue and I can be killed! Teams usually consist of 2-3 people with no pvp gear and a lot of the time when they have pvp gear they're not specced correctly for it! You're forgetting we can inspect you, see your build then wonder why you are in PVP, TWO aspects to this game, pvp and pve, and I promise you most TR's are purely specced for pvp whereas other classes for the most part aren't! Reason? We find it hard to get pve games where we don't get kicked for just being a rogue, so we respec so we can kick you folks asses in pvp, I know plenty of rogues who do this so maybe realize that the rogue who you just spent an hour getting to the boss in a dungeon with ..... And then kick for someone else so the rogue doesn't get the drop ..... Is annoyed at you having used and wasted his time so gets his revenge the next time he sees you in pvp, rogues are not chuffing overpowered in pvp!!! Plenty of other players cause me a massive problem in pvp so they do exist you're just assuming you cam have the same spells etc in pvp as you do in pve, but you can't!!! So yes, learn to play!!!!
Oh come on quit the moaning!!! I'm a high specced rogue and I can be killed! Teams usually consist of 2-3 people with no pvp gear and a lot of the time when they have pvp gear they're not specced correctly for it! You're forgetting we can inspect you, see your build then wonder why you are in PVP, TWO aspects to this game, pvp and pve, and I promise you most TR's are purely specced for pvp whereas other classes for the most part aren't! Reason? We find it hard to get pve games where we don't get kicked for just being a rogue, so we respec so we can kick you folks asses in pvp, I know plenty of rogues who do this so maybe realize that the rogue who you just spent an hour getting to the boss in a dungeon with ..... And then kick for someone else so the rogue doesn't get the drop ..... Is annoyed at you having used and wasted his time so gets his revenge the next time he sees you in pvp, rogues are not chuffing overpowered in pvp!!! Plenty of other players cause me a massive problem in pvp so they do exist you're just assuming you cam have the same spells etc in pvp as you do in pve, but you can't!!! So yes, learn to play!!!!
Lol, you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about solid P2W 5v5 premades, where everyone is 15k gearscore plus and that is all we do.
Well that's not the name of this discussion is it, and you didn't actually mention premades lol. So maybe be a tad more specific, and actually listen to what other people are saying, I play solo so hate the fact that doing dungeons is so difficult I decided to concentrate solely on pvp, maybe think that other rogues are doing exactly the same, I wouldn't have the same build I do if I also played pvp a lot but the point is I don't cos I can't so I totally spec for pvp, and I still get killed by random classes so how am I overpowered? I'm just playing the game my way that's all and loving smashing all the fools who think pvp is the same as pve as you clearly do given your lack of a decent point!
Well that's not the name of this discussion is it, and you didn't actually mention premades lol. So maybe be a tad more specific, and actually listen to what other people are saying, I play solo so hate the fact that doing dungeons is so difficult I decided to concentrate solely on pvp, maybe think that other rogues are doing exactly the same, I wouldn't have the same build I do if I also played pvp a lot but the point is I don't cos I can't so I totally spec for pvp, and I still get killed by random classes so how am I overpowered? I'm just playing the game my way that's all and loving smashing all the fools who think pvp is the same as pve as you clearly do given your lack of a decent point!
13 of the top 16 players on the leader board, last I checked, were TR's. Per the guy above, 5 of the top 400 are GWF's. Is that balance to you?
How does getting booted from dungeons in PvE have anything, ANYTHING to do with PvP?
Random classes killing your TR does not prove that TR's are not overpowered. All it says is that you personally aren't that good with a TR. The top tier, best players at this game who P2W and PvP all day are telling you that the TR's are OP, you should listen and quit talking about PvE content. This is the PvP forum.
As of Monday, July 6th 2015, the current first 25 pages of PvP Standings are as follows:
TR: 156 HR: 95 CW: 72 DC: 51 GF: 13 SW: 8 GWF: 5
Rogues alone make up 39% of the top 400 players. That's almost double the next top two combined! (HR and CW at 41.75%)
The class that Rogues constantly keep saying is well balanced is the GWF.... Want to guess why they think that? I would have done the K/D ratio, but data mining by hand is boring and time consuming. Hope the work is appreciated... at least by non-rogues.
Well if you'd actually READ what I put its the answer to why you think we're OP, we can't play PVE properly!!!
The top classes are that yes I know I'm one of them!! You're pretty rude fella this a discussion not a slanging match of you'd like to know how good I am 47-0 is my best KD in a single game so yeah I'm pretty good or I wouldn't have that, my point is you're not playing against TR's correctly or you'd kill us better!! When you see us turn black it's called impossible to catch which means it's pointless standing toe to toe as half a dozen of you do each and every night, TR's can be killed if you play against us correctly, and I'm not a perma stealth or perma stun guy I don't use DOT powers to glitch shadow of demise I just know that you don't know how to play!!! Stop being so rude you ignorant fool you're just making yourself look stupid instead of having a rational discussion, try saying that stuff to my face ..... Oh wait you wouldn't dare cos I'd smack you just as most people would if you speak like that. Quit moaning, quit whining and learn to play better cos you're clearly rubbish if you just regurgitate the same old stuff over and over, yes the leaderboards are dominated by us, cos it's PVP and were specced totally for it!!!!!! Loser lol and a crying rude one at that!
Well if you'd actually READ what I put its the answer to why you think we're OP, we can't play PVE properly!!!
The top classes are that yes I know I'm one of them!! You're pretty rude fella this a discussion not a slanging match of you'd like to know how good I am 47-0 is my best KD in a single game so yeah I'm pretty good or I wouldn't have that, my point is you're not playing against TR's correctly or you'd kill us better!! When you see us turn black it's called impossible to catch which means it's pointless standing toe to toe as half a dozen of you do each and every night, TR's can be killed if you play against us correctly, and I'm not a perma stealth or perma stun guy I don't use DOT powers to glitch shadow of demise I just know that you don't know how to play!!! Stop being so rude you ignorant fool you're just making yourself look stupid instead of having a rational discussion, try saying that stuff to my face ..... Oh wait you wouldn't dare cos I'd smack you just as most people would if you speak like that. Quit moaning, quit whining and learn to play better cos you're clearly rubbish if you just regurgitate the same old stuff over and over, yes the leaderboards are dominated by us, cos it's PVP and were specced totally for it!!!!!! Loser lol and a crying rude one at that!
That's quite an essay. I probably would say it, since the class is ridiculous and you would have to be delusional to not see it.
Well if you'd actually READ what I put its the answer to why you think we're OP, we can't play PVE properly!!!
The top classes are that yes I know I'm one of them!! You're pretty rude fella this a discussion not a slanging match of you'd like to know how good I am 47-0 is my best KD in a single game so yeah I'm pretty good or I wouldn't have that, my point is you're not playing against TR's correctly or you'd kill us better!! When you see us turn black it's called impossible to catch which means it's pointless standing toe to toe as half a dozen of you do each and every night, TR's can be killed if you play against us correctly, and I'm not a perma stealth or perma stun guy I don't use DOT powers to glitch shadow of demise I just know that you don't know how to play!!! Stop being so rude you ignorant fool you're just making yourself look stupid instead of having a rational discussion, try saying that stuff to my face ..... Oh wait you wouldn't dare cos I'd smack you just as most people would if you speak like that. Quit moaning, quit whining and learn to play better cos you're clearly rubbish if you just regurgitate the same old stuff over and over, yes the leaderboards are dominated by us, cos it's PVP and were specced totally for it!!!!!! Loser lol and a crying rude one at that!
Name calling.. Nice!
1st.. I would say this to your face. Please try to smack me. Please. Pretty please with a cherry on top.
2nd... TR's can play PvE properly.
3rd.. Am I supposed to be impressed by your 47-0? The most impressed I have been by a player during a match was by Gannicus who put up a 4-8 during that match but he did so contesting node 2 in a constant 1 vs 2/3 players the entire game. It was extremely impressive. A TR clubbing baby seals to the tune of 47-0, isn't.
4th.. I'm just a garbage GF on page 3/4 of the leaderboards. I have no skills. I'm just a crying loser. Yup! I'm clearly rubbish. I admit as much.
I'm a GF with a 70-0 record and about 20 deaths. 14 of those deaths were to mass dcing of the game because Rivenscar map is broken and I'm unable to use my main stamina regen skill since that crashes the game on top of oppressive force and HG, and the other 6 were from TR's. Video's posted of those shweaty matches. So, the only thing stronger than TR's in PvP is the game crashing you and making you restart and log back in while your body gets beat on as it's frozen.
So to be fair,
Nerf the mass game crashing first then rebalance TR's.
/GASP the TR nerfs are on the way! You just have to read the patch notes from PC becaaaaaaause the devs admitted that TR's were unreasonable strong in too many areas for pvp, just as GWF were too strong in mod 3 and they were trolled into the nothing they are now.
The top classes are that yes I know I'm one of them!! You're pretty rude fella this a discussion not a slanging match of you'd like to know how good I am 47-0 is my best KD in a single game so yeah I'm pretty good or I wouldn't have that, my point is you're not playing against TR's correctly or you'd kill us better!! [...] Stop being so rude you ignorant fool you're just making yourself look stupid instead of having a rational discussion, try saying that stuff to my face ..... Oh wait you wouldn't dare cos I'd smack you just as most people would if you speak like that. Quit moaning, quit whining and learn to play better cos you're clearly rubbish if you just regurgitate the same old stuff over and over, yes the leaderboards are dominated by us, cos it's PVP and were specced totally for it!!!!!! Loser lol and a crying rude one at that!
Well that's not the name of this discussion is it, and you didn't actually mention premades lol. So maybe be a tad more specific, and actually listen to what other people are saying, I play solo so hate the fact that doing dungeons is so difficult I decided to concentrate solely on pvp, maybe think that other rogues are doing exactly the same, I wouldn't have the same build I do if I also played pvp a lot but the point is I don't cos I can't so I totally spec for pvp, and I still get killed by random classes so how am I overpowered? I'm just playing the game my way that's all and loving smashing all the fools who think pvp is the same as pve as you clearly do given your lack of a decent point!
you don't know what you are talking about. Most of the pvp players who play only pvp have their builds totally different from pve aspects. I have at least twice as much hp as any top dps pve gwf.
As of Monday, July 6th 2015, the current first 25 pages of PvP Standings are as follows:
TR: 156 HR: 95 CW: 72 DC: 51 GF: 13 SW: 8 GWF: 5
Rogues alone make up 39% of the top 400 players. That's almost double the next top two combined! (HR and CW at 41.75%)
The class that Rogues constantly keep saying is well balanced is the GWF.... Want to guess why they think that? I would have done the K/D ratio, but data mining by hand is boring and time consuming. Hope the work is appreciated... at least by non-rogues.
This a great point. Not surprisingly, at all that TRs dominate the leaderboards. Not surprisinly that HRs come in second given that their CC and dps output is the only class in the game that comes close to counter TRs. Yet, HRs are everyday more far from doing that with more TRs running cloaks of black ice and imperial dragon.
Sad only 5 GWF, I guess I should be proud to be the 1st GWF in the leaderboards then.;p
I'm a GF with a 70-0 record and about 20 deaths. 14 of those deaths were to mass dcing of the game because Rivenscar map is broken and I'm unable to use my main stamina regen skill since that crashes the game on top of oppressive force and HG, and the other 6 were from TR's. Video's posted of those shweaty matches. So, the only thing stronger than TR's in PvP is the game crashing you and making you restart and log back in while your body gets beat on as it's frozen.
So to be fair,
Nerf the mass game crashing first then rebalance TR's.
/GASP the TR nerfs are on the way! You just have to read the patch notes from PC becaaaaaaause the devs admitted that TR's were unreasonable strong in too many areas for pvp, just as GWF were too strong in mod 3 and they were trolled into the nothing they are now.
you're a beast man. I always been one of these guys that play only one class. So I spend my time and effort toward that class to make the best I can. However, the game situation is frustrating. I been considering to make another class until they balance TRs. I thought of HRs, or GF. (WOULD never make a Broken TR). GF can hold a TR a while, this is pretty cool. I wish my unstoppable would mitigate their damage, would go sentinel all the way. So sad the best survival class feature of great weapon fighters are completely ignored by TRs due their piercing armor mechanics.
As you said, on PC devs agree that TRs are broken and they nerfed it. (even post nerf they are still strong!!!), and they were strong before the armor piercing buff. I wonder why they didn't nerf them here on xbox yet knowing it was an already issue on the leaderboards. I hate to say that, but I guess that those 156 TRs on the top 25 pages on the leaderboards answer this question.
Shoukon, maleficient was talking to some of our guys yesterday, and seems DENIAL and Rekt are coming to terms to try to set an example for the PvP community. Never stack more than 1/2 rogues in any team. Let's try to save what is left from pvp. Hope you join us on that!
Shoukon, maleficient was talking to some of our guys yesterday, and seems DENIAL and Rekt are coming to terms to try to set an example for the PvP community. Never stack more than 1/2 rogues in any team. Let's try to save what is left from pvp. Hope you join us on that!
Yea, we're looking into doing that and other things between Rekt and Denial and with the other smaller PvP Guilds.
Anyone know if this Tuesdays update fixed the pvp crashing?
Shoukon, maleficient was talking to some of our guys yesterday, and seems DENIAL and Rekt are coming to terms to try to set an example for the PvP community. Never stack more than 1/2 rogues in any team. Let's try to save what is left from pvp. Hope you join us on that!
Yea, we're looking into doing that and other things between Rekt and Denial and with the other smaller PvP Guilds.
Anyone know if this Tuesdays update fixed the pvp crashing?
they posted on facebook it is just a server restart, but that they are aware of the crashing issues!
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it is not the end, but theycould have some fix. still makes no sense they have piercing damage that bypass tenacity. Nothing should bypass tenacity, it is a pvp resist thing, it is dumb.
also, well, armor piercing should not even exist at all. this gives tr the privilege to stack power/recovery on their off without needing to worry on armor pen.
out of that, it is ok.
DENIAL
> PVP gear is not hard to obtain. I got all of the T1 gear over a weekend. That was all 100% pugs before I joined a pvp guild.
How do you get full pvp gear over a weekend when they require seals of triumph that you can get like 2 a day if you don't sleep? Did i miss something? It took me like a month to obtain enough seals.....
Lykopis - GWF
Embrace the cashgrab
You cant complain if your just not as good or dont have as much PvP gear as others. Most people are rouges thats why they are usually the best having full pvp gear. Rouges are not OP. You just must be a noob to PvP. "Examples below are ways I die because some know how to use that class"
Examples good against rouge:
HR: roots you forever your dead before you even get out.
CW: Choke/freeze you all day long until you die.
Warlock: Way! too much damage, your gone if you dont kill them first or dodge them.
GWF: Nothing this class really needs to be buffed for pvp, they are nice in pve though!
TR: They somehow can daze you forever they just need to remove that HAMSTER from rouges. "Best way to take out another rouge"
Aside from trolling,
From a GF tank perspective who can sit all day with any class and anybody, TR's are the only ones that can take away 40% of my 50khp/5k+def/1k+tenacity 70%ish Damage Reduction/ -25% combat advantage damage in one hit, and still have left over encounters to try to finish up the job.( I posted a video of Minitos from Denial doing as such earlier in the post to show video evidence for my claim). All other classes have to do a full rotation of me not blocking to maybe equal that. Or, they need to have two people on me, catch me with my shield down, and both of them spamming all they have to take me out while I'm cc'd. Also, can check all the vids I've posted as Objective evidence towards the problems of TR's over the subjective of what people "feel" or "think" or "know."
We should also take more into consideration a post such as the one Gannicus gave us a few post up. He has objective, true and reliable data and information about game mechanics and how they are inconsistent with other classes, hence giving an advantage to that class (TR's). The, "Play your class better," "You suck," "It's your gear," and all other subjective comments are flawed and of no use.
Finally, it's unfortunate that we can sit here and talk forever, but that our destiny in class balances is already predetermined.
and just something I want to point out from an above post. I added punctuation for clarity.
-"If you know how to use your class correctly you will find yourself overpowered."
-"GWF: Nothing, this class really needs to be buffed for pvp."
It doesn't prove that TR's are OP, it just shows there is a presence of balancing issues which gives evidence for there being a higher probability of the scale being tipped for TR's.
/"That's subjective sir."
/"You're right, but it's backed up by circumstantial evidence at least."
look at the leaderboards and see how many trs are on it. They can even solo q farm leaderboards because their class is easy to do it and smash pugs.
some teams are running really lame comps of 4 trs 1 dc. Any average player running this comp with a decent gear will win 99.99% against any other comp.
I think it is stupid how they gave trs way too much stuff.
-Scoundrels: More cc than a HAMSTER CW...
-Executioners: Shadow of demise HAMSTER damage on pvp that ignores deflection/tenacity/damage resistance + feats sthat make this class very powerful in damage output.
-saboteurs: a lot of survivality, they can basically permatealth, and still kill you throwing daggers at you because of another lame piercing damage feat (that ignores dr/deflection/tenacity).
Not only that, but a basic tr has also:
almost four dodge rolls
high deflection chance with a high deflection severity (why do tr have higher deflection severity higher than other classes when they are a dam rogue class not a dam warrior). It is super hard to hit a tr as a fighter/warlock/etc. and there is nothing more frustrating than when you finally hit them they deflect and make you hit by 25% of the damage.
Then give this class also stealth and more mobility than a GWF basically making you run entire rivenscar ruin in seconds.
Now give this class a daily that prone (whispering knife) or a daily that basically 1 shot people (shocking execution, that also ignores Damage resistance, and even unstoppable).
Now, bring to the game an artefact necklace that makes your character builds 4% Action point every 3 seconds in combat.
Guess who is benefiting most of it right? yes that is right. trickester rogues. basically shocking execution you every 15, 20 seconds:)
The leaderboards alone show that the class is broken, but yet so many here think the class is ok.
The class was NERFED ON THE END OF MOD 5 ON PC FOR A REASON. Yet cripitc did not nerf it on here...
the class was also nerfed on mod 6 for a reason. Yet, criptic did not do it here.
I am honestly getting frustrated with the game, and I don't think it is cool to be running 4 trs comps, 3 trs comp. this is game killing. there is no fun in that.
fact is, trs were ok on mod 3/4. Why did give them this buff?
as a gwf it is extremaly hard to fight a good tr. You want to keep the tr broken damage. fine, but then give my class what was broken also. give me back roots on roar, give me back the double destroyers purpose damage, make frontline surge do twice as much damage and prone together with takedown. Make bravery deflect for 15% again.
DENIAL
TR's are easy to use is the thing, all of you who say "I know how to play but dont know how to deal with them" really dont know how to play so learn the mechanics and you'll be fine.
oh yeah, I will use oghmas token because my unstoppable is not enough to make me cc immune. I forgot it give me super heals and make trs armor piercing damage not ignore my deflect/unstoppable dr/dr/tenacity and that it also gives me an extra 30% damage resistance. I also forgot it is a super artefact that has a 10 seconds cool down. thank you for showing me something so good to balance trs. You know I am being sarcastic, and I hope you were too. your suggestion is so bad that if you don't know, ogmahs cannot even be cast to break daze (silence).
DENIAL
well, at the end of mod 5 on PC they did nerf shadow of demise, fixed sod glitch, and reduced the duration of their daze. And just recently they nerfed the armor piercing damage of saboteurs. those things were nerfed on PC for a reason, the players there experienced the same hell we are.
I was hoping they would bring at least the two first fixes to xbox on the last patch, but they didn't. I think if enough players post and complain about those feats on the feedback forum they are more likely to fix it. The trs population is huge now, and a lot of them are still making money. So I suspect if there is not enough feedback about it they wont do anything about it. But this is bad on the long run, just like in the mod 3 that they decided to nerf gwf only after 80% of the players became gwfs, the other classes started to quit, and the gwf players got bored.
DENIAL
TR: 156
HR: 95
CW: 72
DC: 51
GF: 13
SW: 8
GWF: 5
Rogues alone make up 39% of the top 400 players. That's almost double the next top two! (HR and CW at 41.75%)
The class that Rogues constantly keep saying is well balanced is the GWF.... Want to guess why they think that? I would have done the K/D ratio, but data mining by hand is boring and time consuming. Hope the work is appreciated... at least by non-rogues.
TRs are obviously well-balanced and the rest of us need to just L2P
Good looks on the data, if I get bored enough tomorrow (and I more than likely will) I'll start doing some K/D ratios to add to it
Lykopis - GWF
Embrace the cashgrab
"I'm super competitive."
"I love tearing other people up, showcasing my skill as a player."
"I love the group aspect of PVP and being able to strategize with my guildies/friends."
If you didn't answer something similar, you're not necessarily wrong, but I'd be curious as to why you PVP.
Ultimately, most people plan on playing with the intent to win and to play the best of their ability, no matter the class.
If your class was overpowered and satisfied all your PVP needs, would you scream for the nerf hammer? Would you tell people to L2P or get more PVP gear?
I completely understand why people defend TRs as not being overpowered. A lot of time, effort, and money was probably spent learning to perfect and hone your skill playing one. The thing is though, all the other classes have spent the same time, effort, and money and are just as skilled on their class, but they can't compete with all the perks of being a TR.
When you can't PVP and be competitive, showcase your skill, or play in a group with friends (unless your running 2+ TRs), why would you PVP? I for one do not play with the intent of losing.
All I would like is for PVP to be balanced. Those close call games, win or lose, are always the most fun and enjoyable, as I am sure a lot of people would agree.
Every MMO has a class or classes that are OP, but this is ridiculous.
TL:DR - I'm salty af. Cryptic, please restore balance and order.
Relentless -LVL 60 GWF-
<DENIAL>
Lol, you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about solid P2W 5v5 premades, where everyone is 15k gearscore plus and that is all we do.
Relentless -LVL 60 GWF-
<DENIAL>
13 of the top 16 players on the leader board, last I checked, were TR's. Per the guy above, 5 of the top 400 are GWF's. Is that balance to you?
How does getting booted from dungeons in PvE have anything, ANYTHING to do with PvP?
Random classes killing your TR does not prove that TR's are not overpowered. All it says is that you personally aren't that good with a TR. The top tier, best players at this game who P2W and PvP all day are telling you that the TR's are OP, you should listen and quit talking about PvE content. This is the PvP forum.
ASYLUM
-ASYLUM-
That's priceless right there.
-ASYLUM-
The top classes are that yes I know I'm one of them!! You're pretty rude fella this a discussion not a slanging match of you'd like to know how good I am 47-0 is my best KD in a single game so yeah I'm pretty good or I wouldn't have that, my point is you're not playing against TR's correctly or you'd kill us better!! When you see us turn black it's called impossible to catch which means it's pointless standing toe to toe as half a dozen of you do each and every night, TR's can be killed if you play against us correctly, and I'm not a perma stealth or perma stun guy I don't use DOT powers to glitch shadow of demise I just know that you don't know how to play!!! Stop being so rude you ignorant fool you're just making yourself look stupid instead of having a rational discussion, try saying that stuff to my face ..... Oh wait you wouldn't dare cos I'd smack you just as most people would if you speak like that. Quit moaning, quit whining and learn to play better cos you're clearly rubbish if you just regurgitate the same old stuff over and over, yes the leaderboards are dominated by us, cos it's PVP and were specced totally for it!!!!!! Loser lol and a crying rude one at that!
That's quite an essay. I probably would say it, since the class is ridiculous and you would have to be delusional to not see it.
-ASYLUM-
Name calling.. Nice!
1st.. I would say this to your face. Please try to smack me. Please. Pretty please with a cherry on top.
2nd... TR's can play PvE properly.
3rd.. Am I supposed to be impressed by your 47-0? The most impressed I have been by a player during a match was by Gannicus who put up a 4-8 during that match but he did so contesting node 2 in a constant 1 vs 2/3 players the entire game. It was extremely impressive. A TR clubbing baby seals to the tune of 47-0, isn't.
4th.. I'm just a garbage GF on page 3/4 of the leaderboards. I have no skills. I'm just a crying loser. Yup! I'm clearly rubbish. I admit as much.
ASYLUM
So to be fair,
Nerf the mass game crashing first then rebalance TR's.
/GASP the TR nerfs are on the way! You just have to read the patch notes from PC becaaaaaaause the devs admitted that TR's were unreasonable strong in too many areas for pvp, just as GWF were too strong in mod 3 and they were trolled into the nothing they are now.
Lol, how old are you? 12?
you don't know what you are talking about. Most of the pvp players who play only pvp have their builds totally different from pve aspects. I have at least twice as much hp as any top dps pve gwf.
This a great point. Not surprisingly, at all that TRs dominate the leaderboards. Not surprisinly that HRs come in second given that their CC and dps output is the only class in the game that comes close to counter TRs. Yet, HRs are everyday more far from doing that with more TRs running cloaks of black ice and imperial dragon.
Sad only 5 GWF, I guess I should be proud to be the 1st GWF in the leaderboards then.;p
you're a beast man. I always been one of these guys that play only one class. So I spend my time and effort toward that class to make the best I can. However, the game situation is frustrating. I been considering to make another class until they balance TRs. I thought of HRs, or GF. (WOULD never make a Broken TR). GF can hold a TR a while, this is pretty cool. I wish my unstoppable would mitigate their damage, would go sentinel all the way. So sad the best survival class feature of great weapon fighters are completely ignored by TRs due their piercing armor mechanics.
As you said, on PC devs agree that TRs are broken and they nerfed it. (even post nerf they are still strong!!!), and they were strong before the armor piercing buff. I wonder why they didn't nerf them here on xbox yet knowing it was an already issue on the leaderboards. I hate to say that, but I guess that those 156 TRs on the top 25 pages on the leaderboards answer this question.
Shoukon, maleficient was talking to some of our guys yesterday, and seems DENIAL and Rekt are coming to terms to try to set an example for the PvP community. Never stack more than 1/2 rogues in any team. Let's try to save what is left from pvp. Hope you join us on that!
DENIAL
well said Agent00spliff!
Yea, we're looking into doing that and other things between Rekt and Denial and with the other smaller PvP Guilds.
Anyone know if this Tuesdays update fixed the pvp crashing?
DENIAL