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Inequality of Classes in PVP

beastmasterragebeastmasterrage Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
edited July 2014 in PvE Discussion
GWF/GF....bugged moves that cc a character longer than any other class in game (roar, over head smash knock down and the shield bash) also can power through all cc powers and regain health to boot. When they hit any other class.....halves your life with one move....how the hell is this fair?
TR....permastealh...really.....and these too can evade through cc powers...utter horse manure....they too hit you with one move and half your life.
HR......not even going there...dunno how in all the heavens and hells you guys decided that upgrade to HR was fair to the other classes.
And the poor CW.....poor defense..ice knife is the only move that does damage on par with and of the other classes regular moves (except for a DC). I remember in the earlier years of this game everyone complained that the cw was too "op" and you guys over nerfed that class...so whats happening now? You guys need to take a closer look at the clases in PVP and how the matches are set up cause right now that match making is a huge joke!

But hey...keep up the not so good work in customer service and see what becomes of the neverwinter community. Because it is ridiculous that you have to create 1 particular class to enjoy pvp.

One of many Frustrated players (take a look in the pvp and gaunt pvp chats sometime to see how many of us are frustrated)

P.s great job on not making keys available to those who don't have access to mummies or daddies credit card -_-
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  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    What are you saying Everyone but CW is Op? If speaking in PUGs my CW usually goes 20-1 or undefeated normally unless we go against a premade and I can usually still finish in the positives.

    Ray of Enfeeblement in Mastery slot mixed with Icy Rays, does awesome damage you should try it.
    Shieldbash 60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard 19.0k
    Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
    ==========================================


    ~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Things look like they will change a lot for PvP in Mod 4 in a few weeks. Give the classes a try then - hopefully it will be more balanced.
  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2014
    Well atm TR, HR and GWF are the top 3 classes, I think HR is best in pvp and leaderboards do prove that but then gwf is close second then TR 3rd but as for poor clerics, CW and GF we are all not that great for pvp atm but things will change in mod 4. You should really check out the test server as now gf is balanced with gwf and cw are actually a top pvp class there. Of course things can change though but I hope they balance all classes to be equally as strong just in different ways.


    Edit:

    also seems you talking about just 1v1s because leaderboards prove that dc and gf are the 2 worst classes for pvp in live.
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  • crazymikeecrazymikee Member Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    CWs are always on the bottom if the enemy has a GWF or a TR, they completely dominate CWs with HALF the effort and HALF the skill, unless the CW had a significant starting advantage (daily charged ect), there gunna get steamrolled every time haha
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  • lihin23nihillihin23nihil Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    beastmasterrage wrote: »
    P.s great job on not making keys available to those who don't have access to mummies or daddies credit card -_-

    If you were buying keys from the AH, keys just got cheaper for you. If you were trading or swapping them in game you were trading at the AH perceived value - they just got cheaper for you. If you were buying them unofficially then w/e.
  • beastmasterragebeastmasterrage Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Keys aren't trading on ah anymore...they're bound when you buy from zen shop
  • lihin23nihillihin23nihil Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    beastmasterrage wrote: »
    Keys aren't trading on ah anymore...they're bound when you buy from zen shop

    Correct. It was always ALWAYS cheaper to convert AD to ZEN and buy from Zen store than buying from AH.
  • adernathadernath Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ripyourlipsoff wrote: »
    What are you saying Everyone but CW is Op? If speaking in PUGs my CW usually goes 20-1 or undefeated normally unless we go against a premade and I can usually still finish in the positives.
    My CW has these numbers only in a good team. But if you REALLY would go PUG you would know that you have sometimes a good team, sometimes a bad team. If you are in a bad team... good luck, because there is not much you can do about it when everyone around you dies like flys. Or are you telling me that you can solo one of those roar and threatening rush spamming 19k gwfs? Only if you face total noobs you can do that. In higher brackets you simply get facerolled.
    Suggestions to improve NW:
    - Dualspec
    - Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
    - Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
    - Armory
    - make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
  • aulduronaulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    As long as there are multiple classes, there will always be better classes. The only way to make all classes equal is to eliminate 5 of them.
  • mxtimemxtime Member Posts: 316 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2014
    crazymikee wrote: »
    CWs are always on the bottom if the enemy has a GWF or a TR, they completely dominate CWs with HALF the effort and HALF the skill, unless the CW had a significant starting advantage (daily charged ect), there gunna get steamrolled every time haha

    tr takes more skill then cw and matter of fact then any other class
    not one good cw ever rolled a tr
    they roll gwf lol.each and every one of them
    so easy to prove that

    but 99%cw never even heard of pvp spec

    40k hp with cw is easy to get with only ranks 7
  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    adernath wrote: »
    My CW has these numbers only in a good team. But if you REALLY would go PUG you would know that you have sometimes a good team, sometimes a bad team. If you are in a bad team... good luck, because there is not much you can do about it when everyone around you dies like flys. Or are you telling me that you can solo one of those roar and threatening rush spamming 19k gwfs? Only if you face total noobs you can do that. In higher brackets you simply get facerolled.

    I am saying even if my team sucks I can still finish even or better in K/D ratio, now as for GWF if I see them or TR when the match starts I immediately go high ground! I monitor them and try to keep them below me at all times. Can I solo a GWF in front of me? Nope, not currently they just have to much atm... But I have soloed some TRs that got caught off guard with me stacking bile on them, ad the other classes are all killable.

    There is a best set up and then there is set ups for what your opposition is. You need to adapt for each!
    Shieldbash 60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard 19.0k
    Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
    ==========================================


    ~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
  • brun2000brun2000 Member Posts: 244 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ripyourlipsoff wrote: »
    I am saying even if my team sucks I can still finish even or better in K/D ratio, now as for GWF if I see them or TR when the match starts I immediately go high ground! I monitor them and try to keep them below me at all times. Can I solo a GWF in front of me? Nope, not currently they just have to much atm... But I have soloed some TRs that got caught off guard with me stacking bile on them, ad the other classes are all killable.

    There is a best set up and then there is set ups for what your opposition is. You need to adapt for each!

    CW's are TR's nightmare actually, there is a power that roots us in place wich is really bugged and many times goes through imune's and dodges and from there on its just rolfstomp fest stunlock. GF's can also duel TR's very well and GWF... Don't even need to talk about them...

    A TR can only duel:
    Clerics; HR's caught Offguard with LS; CW's caught Offguard and go dazzed (else its too many dodges for us)
    and that's pretty much it, everything else the enemy is either not full hp, lower geared, lagger or really bad!
  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    aulduron wrote: »
    As long as there are multiple classes, there will always be better classes. The only way to make all classes equal is to eliminate 5 of them.

    Great point!
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  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    brun2000 wrote: »
    CW's are TR's nightmare actually, there is a power that roots us in place wich is really bugged and many times goes through imune's and dodges and from there on its just rolfstomp fest stunlock. !

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    Shieldbash 60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard 19.0k
    Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
    ==========================================


    ~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    mxtime wrote: »
    tr takes more skill then cw and matter of fact then any other class
    not one good cw ever rolled a tr
    they roll gwf lol.each and every one of them
    so easy to prove that

    but 99%cw never even heard of pvp spec

    40k hp with cw is easy to get with only ranks 7

    I would say its harder to master, once you got it down staying stealth and trolling targets is not hard! However to beat an HR / GWF I think every class would need to be very skilled. At least atm... Mod 4 GWf wont have it so easy, and CW will get it seems more control at the cost of cast times, but assailing force?????
    Shieldbash 60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard 19.0k
    Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
    ==========================================


    ~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2014
    ripyourlipsoff wrote: »
    What are you saying Everyone but CW is Op? If speaking in PUGs my CW usually goes 20-1 or undefeated normally unless we go against a premade and I can usually still finish in the positives.

    Ray of Enfeeblement in Mastery slot mixed with Icy Rays, does awesome damage you should try it.

    I wouldn't use PUG matches as a good indicator.

    Any class can go 20-1 or undefeated if they go against PUGs (except for DCs for obvious reasons)
  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The OP didn't specify so I am assuming Pug groups, or he/she would have more defined.
    Shieldbash 60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard 19.0k
    Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
    ==========================================


    ~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
  • aulduronaulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    IMO, a TR takes much more skill to play than a CW. They both have one thing in common: if someone sees you, you die. Luckily, TRs can hide easier.
  • dustintheclouddustinthecloud Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    brun2000 wrote: »
    CW's are TR's nightmare actually, there is a power that roots us in place wich is really bugged and many times goes through imune's and dodges and from there on its just rolfstomp fest stunlock. GF's can also duel TR's very well and GWF... Don't even need to talk about them...

    A TR can only duel:
    Clerics; HR's caught Offguard with LS; CW's caught Offguard and go dazzed (else its too many dodges for us)
    and that's pretty much it, everything else the enemy is either not full hp, lower geared, lagger or really bad!

    When i saw that, was just... too much...
  • kidbskidbs Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 294
    edited July 2014
    mxtime wrote: »
    tr takes more skill then cw and matter of fact then any other class
    not one good cw ever rolled a tr
    they roll gwf lol.each and every one of them
    so easy to prove that

    but 99%cw never even heard of pvp spec

    40k hp with cw is easy to get with only ranks 7

    And with 40k hp you're hitting like a wet noodle. CWs can't have high hp pools and still maintain good burst like a GWF.
  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    OP is CW without BI gear, nuff said. And your dps in PvE is a ****ing joke. You will finally suit your CONTROL wizard name, well deserved really.

    UPD If you truly believe CWs are underpowered in PvP I may show you some guys that will make you cry and smash your head against the keyboard in a hopeless rage no matter what class you play.
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  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2014
    Permastealth TRs should not be nearly killing you with one hit unless you are terribly undergeared. They are more a nuisance than a killer. And if you let him lock his Duelist Flurry on all the time then you are not playing well. Movement is your friend against a TR.

    As for GFs and GWFs hurting squishies, I am sorry, but what makes you think a class wearing leather and cloth should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a class wielding a sword, carrying a shield and wearing plate/scale armour? I am tired of seeing HRs and CWs demanding that they be able to stand toe-toe to with a heavily armoured melee fighter. If you want to stand on a node and slug it out with a GF/GWF then go and roll a GF/GWF. We are the tanks, we are designed to hold points, stop demanding that your squishy be able to facetank us. You have range, use it. As a GF I have been controlled to death by good CWs from distance or if they do come in close they move exceptionally well. On the other hand I throw poorly played CWs around like rag dolls because they get on the node with me and are static because they think they can slug it out.
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  • jeffro9000jeffro9000 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 121 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2014
    mxtime wrote: »
    tr takes more skill then cw and matter of fact then any other class
    not one good cw ever rolled a tr
    they roll gwf lol.each and every one of them
    so easy to prove that

    but 99%cw never even heard of pvp spec

    40k hp with cw is easy to get with only ranks 7

    I PvP primarily with CW and TR. You are correct about the TR requiring a lot more skill than people acknowledge it does.

    The CW in PvP is certainly no cake walk though. The shard on tab rotation takes a lot of skill, and every other rotation is situational or specific to fighting a certain class.

    CW's can do very well in PvP, but they are certainly not the skill-less class you classify them as. Quite the contrary, it is just a very different playstyle. You never see a "troll comp" of 5 CW's for a reason. A 5 CW "troll comp" would only succeed in trolling themselves.

    I think your frustration is coming from the fact that CW's have gotten better at fighting perma builds, and this is a side effect of CW's being picked on by rogues for quite a while now. CW's have learned and adapted, and the meta is changing.

    All that being said, I feel for the rogues too. They are pretty much forced into perma builds to be viable in higher level games, and they will be significantly weaker to CW in mod 4. My rogue will be on the shelf for a while...
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  • adernathadernath Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ripyourlipsoff wrote: »
    I am saying even if my team sucks I can still finish even or better in K/D ratio, now as for GWF if I see them or TR when the match starts I immediately go high ground! I monitor them and try to keep them below me at all times. Can I solo a GWF in front of me? Nope, not currently they just have to much atm... But I have soloed some TRs that got caught off guard with me stacking bile on them, ad the other classes are all killable.

    There is a best set up and then there is set ups for what your opposition is. You need to adapt for each!
    Well, in the bracket I play the GWF usually has - after your team got obliberated once again - all time in the world to come to you, cast unstoppable before jumping down on the pillar you are standing on and frontline surge you down to the floor.
    Suggestions to improve NW:
    - Dualspec
    - Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
    - Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
    - Armory
    - make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ripyourlipsoff wrote: »
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    well on perma IT because they have to enter the area to attack. MY CW also does well in PVP but it is because I rely on control over DPS. DPS matters less when your opponent is immoble for half the fight.
  • gomok72gomok72 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    You guys complaining about current classes being cannon fodder, just wait until you see the mountain of Warlock corpses laid out in PvP. After hour on hours of testing on preview I have come to the conclusion either this class was meant to be CW's punching bag or they are decoys for Rogues and HR to focus on while the other classes make the kill.

    Currently, SW is by far the easiest class I have seen in PvP to shut down on Preview server and my control wizard is severely under geared in respect to those I have fought against (maybe that will change at live).
    I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.

    -Kymos
  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    gomok72 wrote: »
    You guys complaining about current classes being cannon fodder, just wait until you see the mountain of Warlock corpses laid out in PvP. After hour on hours of testing on preview I have come to the conclusion either this class was meant to be CW's punching bag or they are decoys for Rogues and HR to focus on while the other classes make the kill.

    Currently, SW is by far the easiest class I have seen in PvP to shut down on Preview server and my control wizard is severely under geared in respect to those I have fought against (maybe that will change at live).

    I read SW will lose to a CW 90% of the time, and SW is only good on single targets?
    Shieldbash 60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard 19.0k
    Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
    ==========================================


    ~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    adernath wrote: »
    Well, in the bracket I play the GWF usually has - after your team got obliberated once again - all time in the world to come to you, cast unstoppable before jumping down on the pillar you are standing on and frontline surge you down to the floor.

    Yea, just like the GF, the CW relies on a team... CW ~ needs a team in front, and a GF needs a team behind them, lets hope M4 gets the classes a little more competitive amongst each other.
    Shieldbash 60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard 19.0k
    Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
    ==========================================


    ~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ripyourlipsoff wrote: »
    I read SW will lose to a CW 90% of the time, and SW is only good on single targets?
    SW will most likely lose to any class with any CC whatsoever and with a player who is paying attention. No defence, no immunity frames from dodge, relies on LS to survive (only 50% effective in PvP), no defensive encounters, very little CC...

    It does hit like a truck with ST damage though. If you let an SW focus you for 6 seconds you will most likely die. But it's easy to shut them down.
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  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    twilightwatchman wrote: »
    SW will most likely lose to any class with any CC whatsoever and with a player who is paying attention. No defence, no immunity frames from dodge, relies on LS to survive (only 50% effective in PvP), no defensive encounters, very little CC...

    It does hit like a truck with ST damage though. If you let an SW focus you for 6 seconds you will most likely die. But it's easy to shut them down.

    Wow, not good news... I was hoping to roll one in M4! I didn't want an OP class but I was hoping they would enter viable. :(
    Shieldbash 60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard 19.0k
    Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
    ==========================================


    ~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
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