This mount looks amazing and I'm curious to see how many end up on the AH. AD savings are looking healthy.
Just wanted to get peoples opinion on the AH sale price of such an item. The Warhorse and Tenser's Disk sell very well and I would say that this mount is even more rare considering what has to be spent to get it.
If you were looking to buy one, what would be a fair asking price in your opinion?
Warhorse was averaging 5 Million.
Tensors started at 12 and now hovers between 18 and 25 million.
I have an Armored Polar Bear coming and leaning toward keeping it for myself - but if I were to put it up for auction, I'd probably start with a buyout of about 40 (or 50) million with a starting bid on about 30 million on a five day run. But before I did that, I'd probably sit on it to see if any other show up in the AH and what the going rate turns out to be and price it likewise.
Because of what it takes to receive one of these I won't be looking to "undercut" anyone - I'll push hard for a higher price. This mount is more rare that the Mystical Nightmare horse - noted even by the Devs as being the rarest mount in Neverwinter - which is why I'm thinking to keep it for myself. I've seen a couple (briefly) in-game and they are freakin' gorgeous.
But, yeah: 100 Million - I can see people pricing it for that. If not initially, then later on in a month or two from someone who waits until they're all petered out at the AH.
@Wimpazoid - the first round of giveaways for these Armored Bears was BoP I think. But it is outright stated by the Dev this version will be BoE and CAN be sold in the AH - which is why they specifically said anyone can receive multiple copies (too rich for my blood in that case!)
Warhorse was averaging 5 Million.
Tensors started at 12 and now hovers between 18 and 25 million.
I have an Armored Polar Bear coming and leaning toward keeping it for myself - but if I were to put it up for auction, I'd probably start with a buyout of about 40 (or 50) million with a starting bid on about 30 million on a five day run. But before I did that, I'd probably sit on it to see if any other show up in the AH and what the going rate turns out to be and price it likewise.
Because of what it takes to receive one of these I won't be looking to "undercut" anyone - I'll push hard for a higher price. This mount is more rare that the Mystical Nightmare horse - noted even by the Devs as being the rarest mount in Neverwinter - which is why I'm thinking to keep it for myself. I've seen a couple (briefly) in-game and they are freakin' gorgeous.
But, yeah: 100 Million - I can see people pricing it for that. If not initially, then later on in a month or two from someone who waits until they're all petered out at the AH.
@Wimpazoid - the first round of giveaways for these Armored Bears was BoP I think. But it is outright stated by the Dev this version will be BoE and CAN be sold in the AH - which is why they specifically said anyone can receive multiple copies (too rich for my blood in that case!)
Thank you for your post. I feel a little daft for thinking I would be able to buy one for like 10 mil. I can't even imagine that people would have 50+ mil just to splash on a mount.
Thank you for your post. I feel a little daft for thinking I would be able to buy one for like 10 mil. I can't even imagine that people would have 50+ mil just to splash on a mount.
fr3akout3Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 72
edited July 2014
I was actually just thinking of this today..
It says "The mount will be Bind on Equip and can be obtained multiple times."
1st) Hang on, does this mean that I can take the mount and put it on the AH and sell it and go back and take another 1 and sell it again?
2nd) What if I have 10 characters, does it mean that all of them will be able to get the mount? and I can sell all 10 of them on the AH? I would be a billionaire.
No fr3akout3, it means that for $200 you get ONE mount that is BoE. One, whether you have one character or 60. You can choose to use that mount on one of your own characters or auction it. If you spend another $200 you'll get another that you can use or auction off, etc...
Here's why it will be so expensive on the AH: It's a Legendary Mount (Rarety-wise - whether it's actually classified as Legendary, I'm not sure - but the Black Ice Warhorse and Tenser's Disk and Emperor's beetle are classified as Legendary (Orange)). Note that Legendary in this respect only refers to its rarity, otherwise it is basically the same as a Purple (Rank III) Mount.
The reason it will be so costly is that (I suspect) most people who receive it will keep it for their own use (Count me as leaning to be among these) - meaning that not only are they rare in-game, but will be extra--super-rare in the AH. Also, people obtaining legendary mounts have learned not to undercut each other - at least not by selling under a specific "range" - every Black Ice Warhorse always sold for 5 Million or more - every.single. one. Because they are so rare these people are patient and know they will sell - so they never undercut below a particular range of price. (I watched Warhorses for seven (7) days waiting for a cheaper one - it never showed - same with Tenser's disk).
Tenser's Disk never sold for less than 15 Million - and sold for as high as 25 Million (or more - I gave-up following it after five days or so).
The Black Ice War Horse and tenser's Disk are *relatively* common as compared to the Lord's Armored Polar Bear. This is why I suspect astronomical pricing in the 30 to 50 Million AD range (Obviously just a guess). But now: zip, zilch, nada. None to be found (same with tenser's Disk) unless you happen to check at the right time.
The Warhorse sold out relatively quickly - but there were always at east 3 to 7 of them in AH (I stopped looking once I bought mine). Tenser's Disk is always sold-out, I've never seen more than three at a time - I know there has been more that this concurrently at a time for brief periods, but as a rule they are *always* sold-out.
This means (I'm guessing again) that the Armored Polar Bear on the AH will almost instantly sell-out on a constant basis. As for people having enough AD: There is a massive flood of AD in-game (ZAX Shows this as there is a very large pool of AD->Zen proffers waiting). Therefore I suspect there are a LOT of people who can easily afford 50 or even 100 Million AD. The question is whether they are willing to pay this much for the Polar Bear.
As for where I stand on my Polar Bear: I am heavily leaning toward keeping it - I don't need the AD because I can easily sell the 20K Zen for AD at 500/1 - that's 10 Million AD right there - and I simply don't need that much AD. Hence, even though I know I can get another 50 Million or more AD for the Bear (yes, I know I can) - I'm not sure I even want that much AD. So my own question for myself is which character I'll put it on (I'm leaning toward my GWF or DC as the Armor will make a nicely themed compliment and just plain look good).
At this point - if you really want one through AH - save up and earn as much as you can right now. If one appears for 30 Million or less, snag it fast as you can if you can afford it. Subsequent APB Mounts will sell for higher - and unlike the Emperor Beetle and other high-value mounts, the prices will creep up, not down.
For me: this Mount is one I am really contemplating very hard on what to do with - it's really heavy investment for a single mount that goes to only one character and it's permanent - so it has to be the right character for me. If I find the decision just too tough to make, it might be easier to just sell it off. At least that's my own thinking on it. Somewhat of a conundrum for me.
I can't even imagine that people would have 50+ mil just to splash on a mount.
Do you know if it is a Legendary mount?
They more than likely don't. They'll be buying AD with Zen.
Considering how ultra rare the bear is and the fact the only ways to get it was a lucky chance when spending 50 dollars and a 100% chance when spending 200 dollars I seriously doubt you'll be seeing any for 10M. Once the promotion is gone they are more or less discontinued.
Which then of course begs the question, if you are willing to spend 10M AD which is currently 200 Dollars...
Why not just buy the Zen and get it in addition?
As for whether it is Legendary or not; without looking it up I don't think so but it doesn't matter. Legendary is just a rarity color. It has absolutely no benefits over any other Tier 3 mount.
I (and assume most people) think the Tenser mount is much more cool but due to the fact that this armored bear is much more rare, I'd estimate the price to be 20-30mil largely depending on how many are going around.
They more than likely don't. They'll be buying AD with Zen.
Considering how ultra rare the bear is and the fact the only ways to get it was a lucky chance when spending 50 dollars and a 100% chance when spending 200 dollars I seriously doubt you'll be seeing any for 10M. Once the promotion is gone they are more or less discontinued.
Which then of course begs the question, if you are willing to spend 10M AD which is currently 200 Dollars...
Why not just buy the Zen and get it in addition?
As for whether it is Legendary or not; without looking it up I don't think so but it doesn't matter. Legendary is just a rarity color. It has absolutely no benefits over any other Tier 3 mount.
I agree - "Legendary" is nothing but a status, no effect on function whatsoever and the only one who knows it's color status (between standard Purple and Orange) is the person who owns it. But more importantly: if you're willing to spend 10 Million AD - better to just buy the Zen and get it guaranteed. I understand that buying Zen and having 10 Million AD laying around are two very different things, but still.
It's an epic mount. I've got one through promo.
And later, when they became BoE, i saw 2 of them in AH for 35 and 45 m buy-out price for a day or two.
Yes, I saw the one that was on buy-out for 45 Million, which is the area of air I plucked my guesstimate price from. This is one of those major "flip-for-profit" opportunities some people dream of (those who can afford it anyway) - I'm not a profit-flipper myself. The game studio does't mind at all because they are on the winning side of it no matter which angle it's approached from - and that's fine by me. The Devs have created something we want badly enough - kudos to them.
As for Tenser's Disk - it's kind of neat-looking, but does't do it for me in the Cool-Factor. I can;t get past "it's just a translucent plate". LOL
Wondering if tenser's disc will go up after they release another lockbox. This mount is kind of unique and I didn't like the look of that dragon they have on preview.
One polar bear was posted for 20 Million AD even with 1 AD starting bid.
Not sure how - the armored polar bear charge reward hasn't been distributed yet - unless it was a standard polar bear mount, and someone was trying to scam unaware buyers.
I thought the original ones were BOA? I hope these are the same.
These ones are BOE for sure, it states it the FAQ. This is the text,
Q: Can I sell my rewards in the Auction House?
A: No, the rewards are account-bound, non-tradable, and only available for characters on your account. However the Armored Polar Bear Mount can be sold on the auction house because it will be Bind on Equip.
These ones are BOE for sure, it states it the FAQ. This is the text,
Q: Can I sell my rewards in the Auction House?
A: No, the rewards are account-bound, non-tradable, and only available for characters on your account. However the Armored Polar Bear Mount can be sold on the auction house because it will be Bind on Equip.
Sorry, I meant after you equip them, the first ones were BOA. At least that's what I thought.
The APB is BoE - meaning just like all Zen Market and other Companions - and all promotional Mounts - they can be freely passed around to anyone and everyone (via Auction House, Mail, etc.) - but once it is equipped it becomes bound to your Character. I believe this is the same as the previous distribution of them, except they were bound to account (meaning you could only pass the one mount amongst your alts, but only within your account) - and again becomes bound to character on equipping it.
This is just like all other promotional Mounts, including event winnings: Bind on Equip; on Equipping become Bound to Character.
Hence why (for me) it's a very weighty decision on which of my characters to equip it on. I think I've decided to finally roll a Dwarf GF (with new Mod 4 changes I'm willing to give GF a genuine go now). That or I'll just sell it off.
I so would of pulled the trigger and splurged on this deal if the APB was BOA and opened to all your characters, but its still a good deal if you sell it for +10million you double your in-game wealth with a freebie gift for buying ZEN, have fun to all the people that got this deal and now have to decide which character to use it on or if you will sell it!!!
Not sure how - the armored polar bear charge reward hasn't been distributed yet - unless it was a standard polar bear mount, and someone was trying to scam unaware buyers.
Its was in the AH so scamming i hardly possible. Secondly it was epic quality not blue and the icon is quite different.
Just to be pedantic, do you have a link from Cryptic/PWE stating that?
Because, otherwise, all we have is something from them explicitly stating that the rewards are available account wide. You'll note the lack of a caveat "except the bear".
I don't really expect the bear to be account wide, and we'll see in a few hours. I'm just wondering where everyone is getting their information when I can't find anything official that would lead someone inexperienced with Cryptic/PWE to not expect it to be account wide.
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Edit: Sorry, my mistake, they were changed to Bind on Equip. I guess, it was in prep for this promo.
WTB Class Reroll please
Yup, a great move on their part IMO.
Wowza! I hope not.
"To ride an Armored Polar Bear in common gear or not? That is the question".
I payed around 11m to get myself a nightmare withour armor, so will rich people do for armored bear. >.>
WTB Class Reroll please
Tensors started at 12 and now hovers between 18 and 25 million.
I have an Armored Polar Bear coming and leaning toward keeping it for myself - but if I were to put it up for auction, I'd probably start with a buyout of about 40 (or 50) million with a starting bid on about 30 million on a five day run. But before I did that, I'd probably sit on it to see if any other show up in the AH and what the going rate turns out to be and price it likewise.
Because of what it takes to receive one of these I won't be looking to "undercut" anyone - I'll push hard for a higher price. This mount is more rare that the Mystical Nightmare horse - noted even by the Devs as being the rarest mount in Neverwinter - which is why I'm thinking to keep it for myself. I've seen a couple (briefly) in-game and they are freakin' gorgeous.
But, yeah: 100 Million - I can see people pricing it for that. If not initially, then later on in a month or two from someone who waits until they're all petered out at the AH.
@Wimpazoid - the first round of giveaways for these Armored Bears was BoP I think. But it is outright stated by the Dev this version will be BoE and CAN be sold in the AH - which is why they specifically said anyone can receive multiple copies (too rich for my blood in that case!)
Thank you for your post. I feel a little daft for thinking I would be able to buy one for like 10 mil. I can't even imagine that people would have 50+ mil just to splash on a mount.
Do you know if it is a Legendary mount?
WTB Class Reroll please
It says "The mount will be Bind on Equip and can be obtained multiple times."
1st) Hang on, does this mean that I can take the mount and put it on the AH and sell it and go back and take another 1 and sell it again?
2nd) What if I have 10 characters, does it mean that all of them will be able to get the mount? and I can sell all 10 of them on the AH? I would be a billionaire.
Any confirmation on those?
The reason it will be so costly is that (I suspect) most people who receive it will keep it for their own use (Count me as leaning to be among these) - meaning that not only are they rare in-game, but will be extra--super-rare in the AH. Also, people obtaining legendary mounts have learned not to undercut each other - at least not by selling under a specific "range" - every Black Ice Warhorse always sold for 5 Million or more - every.single. one. Because they are so rare these people are patient and know they will sell - so they never undercut below a particular range of price. (I watched Warhorses for seven (7) days waiting for a cheaper one - it never showed - same with Tenser's disk).
Tenser's Disk never sold for less than 15 Million - and sold for as high as 25 Million (or more - I gave-up following it after five days or so).
The Black Ice War Horse and tenser's Disk are *relatively* common as compared to the Lord's Armored Polar Bear. This is why I suspect astronomical pricing in the 30 to 50 Million AD range (Obviously just a guess). But now: zip, zilch, nada. None to be found (same with tenser's Disk) unless you happen to check at the right time.
The Warhorse sold out relatively quickly - but there were always at east 3 to 7 of them in AH (I stopped looking once I bought mine). Tenser's Disk is always sold-out, I've never seen more than three at a time - I know there has been more that this concurrently at a time for brief periods, but as a rule they are *always* sold-out.
This means (I'm guessing again) that the Armored Polar Bear on the AH will almost instantly sell-out on a constant basis. As for people having enough AD: There is a massive flood of AD in-game (ZAX Shows this as there is a very large pool of AD->Zen proffers waiting). Therefore I suspect there are a LOT of people who can easily afford 50 or even 100 Million AD. The question is whether they are willing to pay this much for the Polar Bear.
As for where I stand on my Polar Bear: I am heavily leaning toward keeping it - I don't need the AD because I can easily sell the 20K Zen for AD at 500/1 - that's 10 Million AD right there - and I simply don't need that much AD. Hence, even though I know I can get another 50 Million or more AD for the Bear (yes, I know I can) - I'm not sure I even want that much AD. So my own question for myself is which character I'll put it on (I'm leaning toward my GWF or DC as the Armor will make a nicely themed compliment and just plain look good).
At this point - if you really want one through AH - save up and earn as much as you can right now. If one appears for 30 Million or less, snag it fast as you can if you can afford it. Subsequent APB Mounts will sell for higher - and unlike the Emperor Beetle and other high-value mounts, the prices will creep up, not down.
For me: this Mount is one I am really contemplating very hard on what to do with - it's really heavy investment for a single mount that goes to only one character and it's permanent - so it has to be the right character for me. If I find the decision just too tough to make, it might be easier to just sell it off. At least that's my own thinking on it. Somewhat of a conundrum for me.
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They more than likely don't. They'll be buying AD with Zen.
Considering how ultra rare the bear is and the fact the only ways to get it was a lucky chance when spending 50 dollars and a 100% chance when spending 200 dollars I seriously doubt you'll be seeing any for 10M. Once the promotion is gone they are more or less discontinued.
Which then of course begs the question, if you are willing to spend 10M AD which is currently 200 Dollars...
Why not just buy the Zen and get it in addition?
As for whether it is Legendary or not; without looking it up I don't think so but it doesn't matter. Legendary is just a rarity color. It has absolutely no benefits over any other Tier 3 mount.
It's an epic mount. I've got one through promo.
And later, when they became BoE, i saw 2 of them in AH for 35 and 45 m buy-out price for a day or two.
I agree - "Legendary" is nothing but a status, no effect on function whatsoever and the only one who knows it's color status (between standard Purple and Orange) is the person who owns it. But more importantly: if you're willing to spend 10 Million AD - better to just buy the Zen and get it guaranteed. I understand that buying Zen and having 10 Million AD laying around are two very different things, but still.
Yes, I saw the one that was on buy-out for 45 Million, which is the area of air I plucked my guesstimate price from. This is one of those major "flip-for-profit" opportunities some people dream of (those who can afford it anyway) - I'm not a profit-flipper myself. The game studio does't mind at all because they are on the winning side of it no matter which angle it's approached from - and that's fine by me. The Devs have created something we want badly enough - kudos to them.
As for Tenser's Disk - it's kind of neat-looking, but does't do it for me in the Cool-Factor. I can;t get past "it's just a translucent plate". LOL
WTB Class Reroll please
Not sure how - the armored polar bear charge reward hasn't been distributed yet - unless it was a standard polar bear mount, and someone was trying to scam unaware buyers.
Q: Are these rewards available only on one of my characters?
A: No, these rewards are account-wide. Once they are available, every character can claim these rewards at the Reward Claims Agent.
No.
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I thought the original ones were BOA? I hope these are the same.
These ones are BOE for sure, it states it the FAQ. This is the text,
Q: Can I sell my rewards in the Auction House?
A: No, the rewards are account-bound, non-tradable, and only available for characters on your account. However the Armored Polar Bear Mount can be sold on the auction house because it will be Bind on Equip.
Sorry, I meant after you equip them, the first ones were BOA. At least that's what I thought.
This is just like all other promotional Mounts, including event winnings: Bind on Equip; on Equipping become Bound to Character.
Hence why (for me) it's a very weighty decision on which of my characters to equip it on. I think I've decided to finally roll a Dwarf GF (with new Mod 4 changes I'm willing to give GF a genuine go now). That or I'll just sell it off.
Its was in the AH so scamming i hardly possible. Secondly it was epic quality not blue and the icon is quite different.
I think the question is whether it was a Polar Bear or Armored Polar Bear. Either way, it's a moot point since it's not there anymore.
Because, otherwise, all we have is something from them explicitly stating that the rewards are available account wide. You'll note the lack of a caveat "except the bear".
I don't really expect the bear to be account wide, and we'll see in a few hours. I'm just wondering where everyone is getting their information when I can't find anything official that would lead someone inexperienced with Cryptic/PWE to not expect it to be account wide.
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