Tell me how much damage you do with 3k recovery, 3k armor pen, 3k crit, and 1k power.
Power needs to be maintained at a decent level to make use of all the other stats. Who cares if you have 50% crit if you hit for 2k on crits and 500 non crit?
Tell me where I said those are even close to the numbers you should aim for. All I said is that power is the worst of the 4 offensives stats which has been concluded in numerous threads. No need to come up with silly extreme examples and imply I endorsed them in your attempt to save face.
Tell me how much damage you do with 3k recovery, 3k armor pen, 3k crit, and 1k power.
Power needs to be maintained at a decent level to make use of all the other stats. Who cares if you have 50% crit if you hit for 2k on crits and 500 non crit?
Please, do not argue something using ridiculous numbers. Who the hec has 1k Power? With the exception of Titan and Impositing sets, which I dont know who even uses them, every other T1 and T2 has over 1k Power. Then just from the Main hand you get at least 1300-1600+ Power, not to mention off-hand and accessories and you're over the 3k.
Before you come here and make yourself look bad. Go ahead and run some tests then come back here showing us numbers. Go do 100 hits using 3.5k Power then add 1000 Power and do another 100 hits. Use a parser or a even a calculator and get back to us with how much dps increase that 1000 Power gave you.
Tell me where I said those are even close to the numbers you should aim for. All I said is that power is the worst of the 4 offensives stats which has been concluded in numerous threads. No need to come up with silly extreme examples and imply I endorsed them in your attempt to save face.
Arguing for the sake of arguing. Got it.
Silly extremes, yet they make sense.
And saying 1k is only 40 damage...that is before all those other stats come into play. You know...like crit which gives crit severity...never mind...just tunnel vision the rest of the stats.
All I said was don't skimp power. You want to argue about that be my guest.
Silly extremes actually don't make any sense if there's never gonna be a real world application of them. That's what we call a strawman argument, popular among internet goers when they don't have any other points to fall back on.
Silly extremes actually don't make any sense if there's never gonna be a real world application of them. That's what we call a strawman argument, popular among internet goers when they don't have any other points to fall back on.
Again? Ok chief. drop me some proof that that 40 power is useless and I will concede your point.
Using strawman as a defense now? You fail to understand that that 40 power base is affected by armor pen/crit/crit severity/combat advantage and any other debuffs from the group. So now some math guru can come in and correct my calculations.
Combat advantage is 25%. I am sitting at 115% severity.
I don't know the exact order so someone correct me.
Combat advantage (40*.25)=50
Crit severity(50*1.15)=57.5
For a total of 107.5
Since I don't know all the orders of debuffs when factoring in damage I will leave it here as an example that 40 damage is base before anything else is applied.
Again? Ok chief. drop me some proof that that 40 power is useless and I will concede your point.
Using strawman as a defense now? You fail to understand that that 40 power base is affected by armor pen/crit/crit severity/combat advantage and any other debuffs from the group. So now some math guru can come in and correct my calculations.
Combat advantage is 25%. I am sitting at 115% severity.
I don't know the exact order so someone correct me.
Combat advantage (40*.25)=50
Crit severity(50*1.15)=57.5
For a total of 107.5
Since I don't know all the orders of debuffs when factoring in damage I will leave it here as an example that 40 damage is base before anything else is applied.
Ok now you have showed everyone that you know basic math. Now instead of you asking people to prove your "claims" wrong, how about you stop being lazy and do some actual testing yourself. Who knows, maybe you'll prove people wrong.
That 40 damage from 1000 Power is not a FLAT damage increase like you assumed. There is a coefficient for EVERY Power that modifies this number even further. Some Powers will get more than the 40 damage added to the tooltip, while others will get WAY less. Since the VAST majority of a GWF's damage comes from At-Wills, they are the most important to consider.
With 1000 Power Sure Strike gains 20 damage while Weapon Master's Strike gained 15 damage.
So plugging in the numbers
Sure Strike
Normal hit = 20
Combat Advantage (20*1.25) = 25
Normal crit is @ 75% severity (25*1.75) = 43.75
Crit @ 115% severity (25*2.15) = 53.75
Just for the sake of simplification, lets assume that 50% of your hits will be normal and the other 50% are crit+combat advantage. That means the average gain per hit on Sure Strike from 1000 Power ( (20+53.75)/2) = 36.875 and 27.66 from WMS.
Just to be fair, Power will benefit encounters like IBS/Flourish/Restoring Strike more than it does At-wills. So yes, if you are a designated Boss dpser, slotting Single target encounters, Power will give you a "moderate" return. It is not a useless Stat, but definitely nowhere near ArP/Crit/Recovery....and in my case nowhere near Lifesteal
^^ Some of us work. Like right now I would love to log in and test, though I am sure my boss would be extremely upset.
There you go again with lifesteal.
So we need to thank the DC for healing us since he is the biggest contributor of DPS, after all he heals more than lifesteal ever would. I am picking on you now with this since you picked on me about power.
So we need to thank the DC for healing us since he is the biggest contributor of DPS, after all he heals more than lifesteal ever would. I am picking on you now with this since you picked on me about power.
Absolutely you should thank DCs as they ARE a big contributor to everyone's DPS so is good CCing from a CW and to a lesser degree even good aggro management from tank. You really have any doubt that a party's dps would be higher with a good healer vs a bad one? And that's exactly the same logic with Lifesteal.
I am not picking on you. I am just argue the point for point value of Power vs. other stats. There is absolutely no reason not to stack Power after you have the optimum level of other stats.
And saying 1k is only 40 damage...that is before all those other stats come into play. You know...like crit which gives crit severity...never mind...just tunnel vision the rest of the stats.
All I said was don't skimp power. You want to argue about that be my guest.
Pro tip - don't always be so right you can't be wrong. Don't skimp on power. Dig?
Anyone else reading - Keep stats balanced.
P.S. Let me know when you hit a 34k Cresendo including group debuffs.
Well I'm letting you know that I hit a 36k Crescendo WITHOUT group debuff/buff on one of the golems in Solo Grind foundry last night. That's with 1250 lifesteal. Argument ended.
Well I'm letting you know that I hit a 36k Crescendo WITHOUT group debuff/buff on one of the golems in Solo Grind foundry last night. That's with 1250 lifesteal. Argument ended.
Wait, what? You come late to the party and throw that out there without stating your values?
Ohh and gratz on the lifesteal. I'm sure it adds a lot to damage. *rolls eyes*
With a little basic reading comprehension, you'd see his point is that he can hit that damage with a heavy investment into that lifesteal stat you so love to mock, even though you say you have it yourself. *rolls eyes*
Also a bit hypocritical to call him out on that when um, that is exactly what you did with your attempt at internet <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> waving by prancing out your uber leet Crescendo damage number.
With a little basic reading comprehension, you'd see his point is that he can hit that damage with a heavy investment into that lifesteal stat you so love to mock, even though you say you have it yourself. *rolls eyes*
Also a bit hypocritical to call him out on that when um, that is exactly what you did with your attempt at internet <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> waving by prancing out your uber leet Crescendo damage number.
Exactly
No need to explain myself! I stated 1250 lifesteal and that's all there is to it. Figure it out yourself like I do. *winks eye*
With a little basic reading comprehension, you'd see his point is that he can hit that damage with a heavy investment into that lifesteal stat you so love to mock, even though you say you have it yourself. *rolls eyes*
Also a bit hypocritical to call him out on that when um, that is exactly what you did with your attempt at internet <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> waving by prancing out your uber leet Crescendo damage number.
I asked for his stats. The offensive ones. Especially POWER.
After all, with a bit of reading comprehension you would notice that this thread is about power.
I could care less if he had 1 lifesteal or 10k life steal. it adds ZERO damage. Now quit being a simpleton and stick with the OP or crawl back under the bridge.
No need to explain myself! I stated 1250 lifesteal and that's all there is to it. Figure it out yourself like I do. *winks eye*
Then you have nothing to add to this thread, you instead respond by jumping into the middle of some friendly discussion with a bit of ribbing only to add nothing. Gratz on your leet lifesteal in a thread about power.
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Tell me where I said those are even close to the numbers you should aim for. All I said is that power is the worst of the 4 offensives stats which has been concluded in numerous threads. No need to come up with silly extreme examples and imply I endorsed them in your attempt to save face.
Please, do not argue something using ridiculous numbers. Who the hec has 1k Power? With the exception of Titan and Impositing sets, which I dont know who even uses them, every other T1 and T2 has over 1k Power. Then just from the Main hand you get at least 1300-1600+ Power, not to mention off-hand and accessories and you're over the 3k.
Before you come here and make yourself look bad. Go ahead and run some tests then come back here showing us numbers. Go do 100 hits using 3.5k Power then add 1000 Power and do another 100 hits. Use a parser or a even a calculator and get back to us with how much dps increase that 1000 Power gave you.
Arguing for the sake of arguing. Got it.
Silly extremes, yet they make sense.
And saying 1k is only 40 damage...that is before all those other stats come into play. You know...like crit which gives crit severity...never mind...just tunnel vision the rest of the stats.
All I said was don't skimp power. You want to argue about that be my guest.
Anyone else reading - Keep stats balanced.
Again? Ok chief. drop me some proof that that 40 power is useless and I will concede your point.
Using strawman as a defense now? You fail to understand that that 40 power base is affected by armor pen/crit/crit severity/combat advantage and any other debuffs from the group. So now some math guru can come in and correct my calculations.
Combat advantage is 25%. I am sitting at 115% severity.
I don't know the exact order so someone correct me.
Combat advantage (40*.25)=50
Crit severity(50*1.15)=57.5
For a total of 107.5
Since I don't know all the orders of debuffs when factoring in damage I will leave it here as an example that 40 damage is base before anything else is applied.
Ok now you have showed everyone that you know basic math. Now instead of you asking people to prove your "claims" wrong, how about you stop being lazy and do some actual testing yourself. Who knows, maybe you'll prove people wrong.
That 40 damage from 1000 Power is not a FLAT damage increase like you assumed. There is a coefficient for EVERY Power that modifies this number even further. Some Powers will get more than the 40 damage added to the tooltip, while others will get WAY less. Since the VAST majority of a GWF's damage comes from At-Wills, they are the most important to consider.
With 1000 Power Sure Strike gains 20 damage while Weapon Master's Strike gained 15 damage.
So plugging in the numbers
Sure Strike
Normal hit = 20
Combat Advantage (20*1.25) = 25
Normal crit is @ 75% severity (25*1.75) = 43.75
Crit @ 115% severity (25*2.15) = 53.75
Just for the sake of simplification, lets assume that 50% of your hits will be normal and the other 50% are crit+combat advantage. That means the average gain per hit on Sure Strike from 1000 Power ( (20+53.75)/2) = 36.875 and 27.66 from WMS.
Just to be fair, Power will benefit encounters like IBS/Flourish/Restoring Strike more than it does At-wills. So yes, if you are a designated Boss dpser, slotting Single target encounters, Power will give you a "moderate" return. It is not a useless Stat, but definitely nowhere near ArP/Crit/Recovery....and in my case nowhere near Lifesteal
There you go again with lifesteal.
So we need to thank the DC for healing us since he is the biggest contributor of DPS, after all he heals more than lifesteal ever would. I am picking on you now with this since you picked on me about power.
Yea sorry, that's not something I am familiar with. My money just grows on trees in the backyard so I can support the wife and kids
Absolutely you should thank DCs as they ARE a big contributor to everyone's DPS so is good CCing from a CW and to a lesser degree even good aggro management from tank. You really have any doubt that a party's dps would be higher with a good healer vs a bad one? And that's exactly the same logic with Lifesteal.
I am not picking on you. I am just argue the point for point value of Power vs. other stats. There is absolutely no reason not to stack Power after you have the optimum level of other stats.
Well I'm letting you know that I hit a 36k Crescendo WITHOUT group debuff/buff on one of the golems in Solo Grind foundry last night. That's with 1250 lifesteal. Argument ended.
Wait, what? You come late to the party and throw that out there without stating your values?
Ohh and gratz on the lifesteal. I'm sure it adds a lot to damage. *rolls eyes*
Also a bit hypocritical to call him out on that when um, that is exactly what you did with your attempt at internet <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> waving by prancing out your uber leet Crescendo damage number.
Exactly
No need to explain myself! I stated 1250 lifesteal and that's all there is to it. Figure it out yourself like I do. *winks eye*
I asked for his stats. The offensive ones. Especially POWER.
After all, with a bit of reading comprehension you would notice that this thread is about power.
I could care less if he had 1 lifesteal or 10k life steal. it adds ZERO damage. Now quit being a simpleton and stick with the OP or crawl back under the bridge.
Then you have nothing to add to this thread, you instead respond by jumping into the middle of some friendly discussion with a bit of ribbing only to add nothing. Gratz on your leet lifesteal in a thread about power.