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Lowering the amount of Ardent coins required, or doubling the ones you get!

paladmethiuspaladmethius Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 71
edited July 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
The current requirement for 360 ardent coins to unlock the companion from the vault of piety are complete and utter insanity. This is pretty much the height of stupidity to make a player long in, for 360 CONSECUTIVE DAYS MINIMUM to even get this companion, with no promise the companion is even worth the time and effort put into getting it.

Furthermore, if a player is attempting to have a holy/paladin style character, he would need to long in for around 4 years strait to get everything required... to have the sword, the armor, the dyes, the mount, and the companion.

Do you honestly think this is reasonable?
This forum set up is absolutely horrible, I cant even figure out how to get my knight of the feywild title.
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  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The Ardent coins are basically a form of veteran rewards. The higher tier items are meant to be hard to get items. You know that someone with that companion has been playing for at least 360 days, (or bought one form someone who has).
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  • paladmethiuspaladmethius Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 71
    edited July 2013
    bioshrike wrote: »
    The Ardent coins are basically a form of veteran rewards. The higher tier items are meant to be hard to get items. You know that someone with that companion has been playing for at least 360 days, (or bought one form someone who has).

    That is stupid. It completely negates one form of playstyle. Meanwhile captain satans ever lasting nightmare and nightmare armor is available for a song and a dance...
    This forum set up is absolutely horrible, I cant even figure out how to get my knight of the feywild title.
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I think it's fine wrt the angel. The equipment prices could do with a tweak down(especially given how <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> they are).
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  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    That is stupid. It completely negates one form of playstyle. Meanwhile captain satans ever lasting nightmare and nightmare armor is available for a song and a dance...

    Huh? How does "play for and invoke for at least 360 different days" negate a play style? There are rewards for other ways of playing, why not one for long time/diligent players?
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  • paladmethiuspaladmethius Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 71
    edited July 2013
    bioshrike wrote: »
    Huh? How does "play for and invoke for at least 360 different days" negate a play style? There are rewards for other ways of playing, why not one for long time/diligent players?

    Because if I wish to be a holy knight, or do anything ACTUALLY DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS LIKE SUCH AS PLAY A CHARACTER I have to be in game for a year strait. Meanwhile again, captain satans wonderful devil attire and murder horse is available to me right now with minor effort.

    Are you not seeing this?
    This forum set up is absolutely horrible, I cant even figure out how to get my knight of the feywild title.
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Are you not seeing this?
    No? Do you really need your equipment to be a) third rate and b) have a fancy holy sounding name to be able to RP as a virtuous character?

    I also don't see any "captain satan" armor anywhere ingame. Closest would be the Madness armor I guess...
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  • paladmethiuspaladmethius Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 71
    edited July 2013
    tang56 wrote: »
    No? Do you really need your equipment to be a) third rate and b) have a fancy holy sounding name to be able to RP as a virtuous character?

    I also don't see any "captain satan" armor anywhere ingame. Closest would be the Madness armor I guess...

    No, but explain to me how good and virtuous I must be, riding around on a flaming hell horse with a fire demon for a pet and "nightmare" equipment..

    God **** did you all ever play dungeons and dragons, ever?
    This forum set up is absolutely horrible, I cant even figure out how to get my knight of the feywild title.
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    No, but explain to me how good and virtuous I must be, riding around on a flaming hell horse with a fire demon for a pet and "nightmare" equipment..

    God **** did you all ever play dungeons and dragons, ever?

    Err...don't ride the nightmare mount? There's a unicorn mount in the Fey pack and a bunch of free and paid non shadowfell mounts.

    In fact, you probably ought to be using a cat or stone for a companion as well, but even so there's a multitude of pets/companions that aren't phoera or fire archon.

    Nobody is forcing your holy knight to dress up in flaming black armor, ride a shadowfell creature with a chaotic evil companion shouting cusswords at old women and children.
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  • paladmethiuspaladmethius Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 71
    edited July 2013
    tang56 wrote: »
    Err...don't ride the nightmare mount? There's a unicorn mount in the Fey pack and a bunch of free and paid non shadowfell mounts.

    In fact, you probably ought to be using a cat or stone for a companion as well, but even so there's a multitude of pets/companions that aren't phoera or fire archon.

    Nobody is forcing your holy knight to dress up in flaming black armor, ride a shadowfell creature with a chaotic evil companion shouting cusswords at old women and children.

    So my options are "Flaming hell beast" or Cat and a rock...

    again this is not a problem to you?
    This forum set up is absolutely horrible, I cant even figure out how to get my knight of the feywild title.
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    So my options are "Flaming hell beast" or Cat and a rock...

    again this is not a problem to you?

    Your choices are several varieties of horse, armored horse, bears, worgs, and other creatures for mounts.

    For companions you have 2 clerics, 2 defenders, a great weapon fighter, a mage, a golem, the rock, cat, a ghost, and several others.

    You really need to chill out.
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  • paladmethiuspaladmethius Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 71
    edited July 2013
    bioshrike wrote: »
    Your choices are several varieties of horse, armored horse, bears, worgs, and other creatures for mounts.

    For companions you have 2 clerics, 2 defenders, a great weapon fighter, a mage, a golem, the rock, cat, a ghost, and several others.

    You really need to chill out.

    My choices are 2 very bad clerics, and a bunch of generic neutral style companions. along with several neutral style horses and generic animals with armor.

    Again nothing conductive to having a holy character, all more with neutral/evil
    This forum set up is absolutely horrible, I cant even figure out how to get my knight of the feywild title.
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    So my options are "Flaming hell beast" or Cat and a rock...

    again this is not a problem to you?

    Somewhat. Mostly because pet that aren't augment pets are markedly less effective.

    If you want my opinion on pets and companions, then they need to bring out training tomes and give them better AI and make the non augments more viable in endgame. Thus you can properly choose to use your cat/stone or your L30 Cleric, etc.

    As for variety, I'm alright with the current variety and for the record, am strong against putting new companions(or anything else) in RNG packs. I can see you point with some different alignment themed companions or pets. I think this could be solved by allowing for cosmetic items and dying on companions(so you can have your man-at-arms dressed in white, gold and silver plate so he looks like a paladin instead of a merc).

    I suppose "<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>" evil stuff sells better than good aligned stuff.
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  • mewbreymewbrey Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 517 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Remember the days when people use to play MMOrpg's for years and years, and had no problem logging in for an hour every day... and if you cannot log on day after day, luckily the coins don't vanish, so you can still get it at some point. 360 days is a long amount of time but if your enjoying the game and playing anyhow keep at it, you'll get it eventually.
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  • paladmethiuspaladmethius Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 71
    edited July 2013
    tang56 wrote: »
    Somewhat. Mostly because pet that aren't augment pets are markedly less effective.

    If you want my opinion on pets and companions, then they need to bring out training tomes and give them better AI and make the non augments more viable in endgame. Thus you can properly choose to use your cat/stone or your L30 Cleric, etc.

    As for variety, I'm alright with the current variety and for the record, am strong against putting new companions(or anything else) in RNG packs. I can see you point with some different alignment themed companions or pets. I think this could be solved by allowing for cosmetic items and dying on companions(so you can have your man-at-arms dressed in white, gold and silver plate so he looks like a paladin instead of a merc).

    I suppose "<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>" evil stuff sells better than good aligned stuff.

    That is it, now you get what im saying.

    I am not really about denying or getting rid of the "<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>" stuff, I am upset that no champion of good stuff is available to me. I would be all for dying, changing the appearance, etc of companions. Maybe even choose the gods my cleric worships.

    And the "<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>" stuff is the drawing point, for some reason new generations seem to think king authurs are huge vaginas, meanwhile captain edgy the demon lord who doesn't afraid of anything and screw helping people cause he does not care, with all his spikes and chains and fire, is the kewlest dood ever.

    I do not mind the children getting their evil fanwanks, if I can have my good fanwanks too, unfortunately I do not have my good fanwanks.
    This forum set up is absolutely horrible, I cant even figure out how to get my knight of the feywild title.
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    That is stupid. It completely negates one form of playstyle. Meanwhile captain satans ever lasting nightmare and nightmare armor is available for a song and a dance...

    A wise muppet once answered this question.

    ... Is the dark side stronger?
    "No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive."

    If you wanna be good, got to wait for it padawan!
  • ocampusmaximusocampusmaximus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 200 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    sockmunkey wrote: »
    A wise muppet once answered this question.

    ... Is the dark side stronger?
    "No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive."

    If you wanna be good, got to wait for it padawan!

    'Nuff said.
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited July 2013

    I do not mind the children getting their evil fanwanks

    Yea, wouldnt want to look like a hypocrite or anything.
    My companion wants

    1. A death knight that can level to 35 (half the max level) that has summon skeletons (3 weak ones) as an ability
  • jihancritiasjihancritias Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mewbrey wrote: »
    Remember the days when people use to play MMOrpg's for years and years, and had no problem logging in for an hour every day... and if you cannot log on day after day, luckily the coins don't vanish, so you can still get it at some point. 360 days is a long amount of time but if your enjoying the game and playing anyhow keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

    This game won't hold player's attention long enough. I've already stopped even logging in myself. After my guild turned to <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, with me in longer than everyone, from a previous game, and the lack of content, I don't plan on logging in again for a long time. Standing around waiting to run the same boring content again and again, is not a game I, and many others, want to play. The coins don't vanish, but there isn't a reason to even look at this game, for many. I just look at the forums for posts about the immunity in pvp. I want to see what they do about that.
    TL : DR? Then don't waste my time responding.
  • cinj216cinj216 Banned Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mewbrey wrote: »
    Remember the days when people use to play MMOrpg's for years and years, and had no problem logging in for an hour every day... and if you cannot log on day after day, luckily the coins don't vanish, so you can still get it at some point. 360 days is a long amount of time but if your enjoying the game and playing anyhow keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

    The days when people didn't expect everything to be handed to them are long gone. Too many kids these days with entitlement issues. In any case, it's not the end of the world if you don't get some stupid companion in some stupid MMO, but their immature minds can't even begin to comprehend such a simple concept.

    I blame bad parenting.
  • nikitaoznikitaoz Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 149 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    It is a nice reward for those who stick around or come again and again time and again.
    Everyone wants a cool companion and I want a private house on a private beach on a private island.
    Some things take time.
  • brendan03usbrendan03us Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mewbrey wrote: »
    Remember the days when people use to play MMOrpg's for years and years, and had no problem logging in for an hour every day... and if you cannot log on day after day, luckily the coins don't vanish, so you can still get it at some point. 360 days is a long amount of time but if your enjoying the game and playing anyhow keep at it, you'll get it eventually.

    Games aren't designed like that any longer, in terms of the actual content, apart from having gimmicks like this one. MMOs in the past few years have all been capable of being completely played out in the space of a few months, at the most, often a month or so. Just how it is today. The days of old skool MMOs are more than ten years gone by, really.
  • paladmethiuspaladmethius Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 71
    edited July 2013
    sockmunkey wrote: »
    Yea, wouldnt want to look like a hypocrite or anything.

    What is hypocritical about suggesting a pet that would be unique, and wanting to ALSO have the ability to have unique non-evil stuff?

    Half the flipping game is about undead.
    This forum set up is absolutely horrible, I cant even figure out how to get my knight of the feywild title.
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited July 2013
    . . . . . Please, the hostility here needs to stop. There's no need to interject and power-post every response. Just write your suggestion and allow others to write their own opinions as well. Everyone is entitled to that at least. The game has only been released for a month now, give it time. They've just added two new companions and an expansion is due by this time next month. Things take time, write your suggestions and carry on.
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