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It Isn't right I'm Forced to join a guild if I want to try 4 better equipment!

sereenawindsereenawind Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Personally I have found this game to have the most UNCARING, UNHELPFUL people in it of almost any online game I've ever played. Join a guild?? WHY?? Are they better once u do. Does that change these UNCARING persons miraculously?
By joining A guild under these circumstances I'm lowing myself. It means I actually want to associate with persons who can care less! Not everyone is bad, actually I've met a few who were great, but they are far and few between! Don't believe me just ask a simple question, nothing drastic and see if it gets answered. MAYHAPS after repeating it 100 times you might get an answer. NOT all at once that is spamming and we have enough of them already!
BUT This Game To join if I want a chance at better equipment with there is forcing me Gwatamyln( game isn't on so I can't spell it sorry) PVP setup. as much as I DETEST PVP I'm game if it advances me or my equipment, But it isn't RIGHT or FAIR that I cannot join in unless I join a guild> ( I actually tried one claimed to be a mature and responsible guild still waiting for a reply OOOOOHHHHH!!!! it burns me so that I HAVE to do this!:mad:
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  • arcbladezarcbladez Member Posts: 210 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Not all guilds suck. Just keep joining/leaving and repeat until you find a good one. If you're an adult like me, try joining a guild that only recruits adults over 18 years old. IMHO those are the most fun. No offense to the mature kids and teens, but guilds that accept any age tend to attract the bad kind of kiddie gamers and take away all the fun from the game. :P
  • tarmalentarmalen Member Posts: 1,020 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    You are not required.

    You can take your time and play as you see fit.

    You can purchase your high tier pieces from the AH.

    Then again you could find a guild of like minded people and have a blast. Up to you.
  • cdnbisoncdnbison Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    And yet....

    People often complain that being in a guild has no purpose, no reasoning beyond some social ties. A lot of players have wanted being in a guild to mean something *in game*. Well, now there is a reason to be in a guild - and people are upset.

    seriously, the Devs just can't win on this. GG has PvP? People complain. They would have complained if it didn't. They would have complained if guild membership *wasn't* required (something about pre-mades vs. PuGs, I'm sure).

    So, instead of saying "it sucks", why not think of ways it could be better? What would improve something like this? Off the top of my head:
    1. Room for non-guild people - mini-PuG, if you will. Guilds can elect to add 1-2 "mercenaries" per match. Bonus? they get more people. Downside - it's a random person. Some guilds may choose not to. They then are a person or two down. No biggie.

    2. Purely PvE, but a race to a goal vs. other guild. "First person to get to the key, gets the treasure!", requiring each side to run a (new) dungeon before the other side can finish. alerts or progress bar can indicate where the opponent is at ("hurry, Guild X! Guild Y just killed Boss A!")

    There. Two new ways to make things more interesting, involve guilds, and even allow for the unguilded. Much more useful than complaining.
  • manholiomanholio Member Posts: 493 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    You might consider making your own guild as a way around this as well. You only need 4 other players to do this. I'd try posting in zone chat in Protector's Enclave. I'd have to imagine there are quite a few players that are in the same boat as you. They want to play Gyrm, but they don't want to be actively involved with a guild.
  • ranncoreranncore Member, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2,508
    edited July 2013
    GG gear is lateral progression, not upwards. Equivalent or better gear is available elsewhere where being in a guild is in no way required. Which is besides the point that GG gear is for sale on the AH.
  • ceryndrionceryndrion Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The guild requirement for Gauntlgrym, is a two edged sword.

    For the most part, I see it as being a positive thing, because it centres around two factions battling over control of the ruins, it means that you can switch sides in the battle, simply by joining a guild that is allied with the other side. Instead of having to pay a transfer fee (which the guild leader has to stump up if he/she/it/other wishes to (750kAD is nothing to be snuffled at)).

    However, it does also limit the content to those who are guilded and excludes the guildless, which is a shame. However there is no reason that you cannot join a guild, you don't even have to like your guildmates. I for one, have ignored cuildchat for a few days when I have needed space from my guildies.

    Ultimately, as people have already said, not all guilds are bad. Give people a chance to prove themselves to you.
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  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ceryndrion wrote: »
    However, it does also limit the content to those who are guilded and excludes the guildless, which is a shame. However there is no reason that you cannot join a guild, you don't even have to like your guildmates. I for one, have ignored cuildchat for a few days when I have needed space from my guildies.

    And this is why the guild requirement for Gauntlgrym is meaningless. It's just a pointless hoop for people to jump through.
  • onehappygnadeonehappygnade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    My only problem with guilds is, a lot of them demand you have teamspeak on, or something similar. That isn't my thing honestly. I don't have a mic, and I have people over from time to time and it is a little rude to have the speakers on. Also I tend to enjoy having music, or a movie in the background as noise filter while I'm playing. I normally don't have the sound on in the game because I'll just read the quests (habit) and hearing grunts as you grind through a dungeon isn't exactly, awesome.
  • daschladaschla Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 240 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    ceryndrion wrote: »

    However, it does also limit the content to those who are guilded and excludes the guildless, which is a shame. However there is no reason that you cannot join a guild, you don't even have to like your guildmates. I for one, have ignored cuildchat for a few days when I have needed space from my guildies.

    This is pretty much why I stopped playing.
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  • stormdrag0nstormdrag0n Member Posts: 3,222 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    While I do think it's a tad draconian to require a player to be guilded it just doesn't spark outrage in me...mainly because Gauntlgrym in Neverwinter is so far removed from the Gauntlgrym that Salvatore wrote about, I just pretty much ignore that it's there.

    Gauntlygrim is one of those places in the realms that it's hard to do justice, it's kinda like when TSR tried to turn Undermountian into a Novel, it ended up being a horrid extrapolation of what the Dungeon was...same thing here I think.
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  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited July 2013
    I don't like a major game feature requiring to join a guild to in order to participate. But I think I can deduce why they did it. It's simply a mechanism to prevent flipflopping (people joining one side and then flipping to another side depending which side has the overwhelming advantage). Another rational is with alts, people can flipflop with alts (since the pvp T2 gear are tradeable.. they don't want us to do that easily hence tying it to guild since most people have all their alts in one guild. Third is of course they want to make a guild oriented pvp activity.
  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    chronomancer wrote: »
    I don't like a major game feature requiring to join a guild to in order to participate. But I think I can deduce why they did it. It's simply a mechanism to prevent flipflopping (people joining one side and then flipping to another side depending which side has the overwhelming advantage). Another rational is with alts, people can flipflop with alts (since the pvp T2 gear are tradeable.. they don't want us to do that easily hence tying it to guild since most people have all their alts in one guild. Third is of course they want to make a guild oriented pvp activity.

    So if you're unguilded and want to change sides than charge the same amount of AD (750k or something?) for them as guilds get charged. Unless everyone is rich (!'m not!) I think this would be a decent deterrent.
  • tickledpinkstickledpinks Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 276 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Guild requirement is part of the money business model. They obviously think that people who belong to a guild and a subculture within the game where you have networked and "made friends" are more likely to succumb to peer pressure to BUY MORE and STAY LONGER so you BUY MORE. If you have more invested in the game besides time alone it stands to reason you will stay longer and buy more.
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I for one applaud Cryptic for trying to take a more guild focused approach to things in a massively, multiplayer game. Weird, huh?
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  • rishzothrishzoth Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Coming from a game that had factional PvP, I find GG to be a great experience for those players that want to have some pride. Also, I think this needs to be guild-based, just like it currently is in the game. If you want to join a guild for dungeons or to PvP then do so. If you don't, then you can pug it up all you want. Most of the content you can fly through without a guild, but now that they want to add something like this, you deem it unfair. This was a good move for guilds to have as an event for their members and pull together other guilds to fight together on the same side.

    Please don't change a thing with GG.

  • tinkerstormtinkerstorm Member Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ironzerg79 wrote: »
    I for one applaud Cryptic for trying to take a more guild focused approach to things in a massively, multiplayer game. Weird, huh?
    There is a huge difference between talented developers providing incentives for players to organize themselves in certain ways and completely incompetent hacks trying to force a play style that not all enjoy. The latter has the bonus effect of getting players to leave the game.
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    rishzoth wrote: »
    Coming from a game that had factional PvP, I find GG to be a great experience for those players that want to have some pride. Also, I think this needs to be guild-based, just like it currently is in the game. If you want to join a guild for dungeons or to PvP then do so. If you don't, then you can pug it up all you want. Most of the content you can fly through without a guild, but now that they want to add something like this, you deem it unfair. This was a good move for guilds to have as an event for their members and pull together other guilds to fight together on the same side.

    Please don't change a thing with GG.

    I agree 100%. This is TEAM based content, a 20 person team. Communication is invaluable. Most people in a functioning guild who pugs on occasion understands full well that the PUG scene in general doesn't have the ability to communicate, the attention span, nor the mindset of a team player in order to make it fun for the majority IN A FIVE MAN GROUP. None the less in a team of four 5 man teams... Naturally there are a small number of exceptions, and it's those that I would recommend to try out one of the great guilds we have in the game. We have dozens of Founders Guilds which are completely invested in this game in addition to hundreds of guilds which came after.

    There is nothing wrong having a single quest designed from the ground up for the guilds out there. Anyone complaining that they are "forced" into a guild does not get it. It would be a colossal mistake to make this already hard to sell quest (Competitive PvE, optional PvP in the same quest) to a playerbase which is heavily PvE in nature.

    Leave this one for the guilds... and alow them to run it WHENEVER THEY WANT, so they can schedule runs in advance on their websites or in game for their guildies.

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  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    tinkerstorm wrote: »
    There is a huge difference between talented developers providing incentives for players to organize themselves in certain ways and completely incompetent hacks trying to force a play style that not all enjoy.

    Nobody is forcing you to do ANYTHING. Just because you watch a baseball game on TV, do you run down to your local baseball park at 8PM and beg them to put you in the game!?!?!?

    There is a grand total of one quest designed from the ground up for guild play. If somebody left the game over one quest, you can bet your bottom dollar bill that there was far more to the game they didnt like than a quest they never even got into in the first place.

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  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    sereenawind wrote: »
    Personally I have found this game to have the most UNCARING, UNHELPFUL people in it of almost any online game I've ever played. Join a guild?? WHY?? Are they better once u do. Does that change these UNCARING persons miraculously?
    By joining A guild under these circumstances I'm lowing myself. It means I actually want to associate with persons who can care less! Not everyone is bad, actually I've met a few who were great, but they are far and few between! Don't believe me just ask a simple question, nothing drastic and see if it gets answered. MAYHAPS after repeating it 100 times you might get an answer. NOT all at once that is spamming and we have enough of them already!
    BUT This Game To join if I want a chance at better equipment with there is forcing me Gwatamyln( game isn't on so I can't spell it sorry) PVP setup. as much as I DETEST PVP I'm game if it advances me or my equipment, But it isn't RIGHT or FAIR that I cannot join in unless I join a guild> ( I actually tried one claimed to be a mature and responsible guild still waiting for a reply OOOOOHHHHH!!!! it burns me so that I HAVE to do this!:mad:

    Wow. So you are looking for a mature guild, yet you just labeled the community "the most UNCARING, UNHELPFUL people" "of almost any online game I've ever played." Then you say " Join a guild?? WHY??"

    Then you ask yourself why hasnt any guild replied to you?

    Wait, one more thing, all this and "I DETEST PVP"????

    REALLY????

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  • onehappygnadeonehappygnade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    They should allow 20 man parties for Gaunt, so then you can actually have a guild with a full team kicking *** and communicating with one another. How awesome would that be. Then I would take into consideration of getting a mic, or turning on a third party chat lol.
  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited July 2013
    rapticor wrote: »
    So if you're unguilded and want to change sides than charge the same amount of AD (750k or something?) for them as guilds get charged. Unless everyone is rich (!'m not!) I think this would be a decent deterrent.

    They could lower the amount to something like 240K AD. Where it is steep but not too much but will be an effective deterrent against flip-flopping
  • cichardcichard Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    sereenawind wrote: »
    Personally I have found this game to have the most UNCARING, UNHELPFUL people in it of almost any online game I've ever played. Join a guild?? WHY?? Are they better once u do. Does that change these UNCARING persons miraculously?
    By joining A guild under these circumstances I'm lowing myself. It means I actually want to associate with persons who can care less! Not everyone is bad, actually I've met a few who were great, but they are far and few between! Don't believe me just ask a simple question, nothing drastic and see if it gets answered. MAYHAPS after repeating it 100 times you might get an answer. NOT all at once that is spamming and we have enough of them already!
    BUT This Game To join if I want a chance at better equipment with there is forcing me Gwatamyln( game isn't on so I can't spell it sorry) PVP setup. as much as I DETEST PVP I'm game if it advances me or my equipment, But it isn't RIGHT or FAIR that I cannot join in unless I join a guild> ( I actually tried one claimed to be a mature and responsible guild still waiting for a reply OOOOOHHHHH!!!! it burns me so that I HAVE to do this!:mad:

    you do know that you soud like a spoil brat right now in this post. you do also know that you can create your own guild and be a guild of 1 and still do GG. you can align your guild then pug everything in GG or solo que for things. Its not forcing you to, you know interact with others in a structured sort of manner in a MMO..... you can do it all guildless if you want.
  • mytgroomytgroo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 165 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    I get an invite from Sergeant Knox to join Gauntlygrim. I go in and choose a side. I am not a guild member, but I am allowed to choose sides. How does that work? I am not sure that I want to just join a guild. Normally, you join a party or something and are invited into a guild...
  • cichardcichard Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mytgroo wrote: »
    I get an invite from Sergeant Knox to join Gauntlygrim. I go in and choose a side. I am not a guild member, but I am allowed to choose sides. How does that work? I am not sure that I want to just join a guild. Normally, you join a party or something and are invited into a guild...

    no you can only select a faction if you are in a guild. your guild must align with a faction to go to that factions base in GG. you can create your own guild you be the guild leader chose a side and then you can go to GG map zone. after that you can just solo the pve content in phase 1 and solo que for the 20v20 pvp then just pug the t1 or t2 instance.
  • tickledpinkstickledpinks Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 276 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Problem is 99% of guilds are heirarchy veteran based..You have to have joined at ground level.what if you join a guild of 60 ppl..25 of those ppl being level 60..and youre "new to the guild"?You know as well as I guild leaders will go with tried and tested members above you almost always and they'll "squeeze" you in ...uhm..yea monday(just hope everyone shows up.)

    I was in a guild pre GG..That guild folded pre GG..i had my eye on a second guild but they were so disappointed with GG i seriously doubt they run it anymore...remind me again why i should be looking for a third guild 1 month into the game when GG loot is no better than what I have already?
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    tickledpinks wrote: »
    Problem is 99% of guilds are heirarchy veteran based..You have to have joined at ground level.what if you join a guild of 60 ppl..25 of those ppl being level 60..and youre "new to the guild"?You know as well as I guild leaders will go with tried and tested members above you almost always and they'll "squeeze" you in ...uhm..yea monday(just hope everyone shows up.)

    This is completely untrue. There are all types of guilds out there with plenty of guild leaders who know what they are doing, and would not condone this behavior.

    Sure you have bad guild leaders out there... but there's so many good ones that your statement is almost null and void.

    You just need to do your homework.

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  • suxip01111suxip01111 Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I joined a guild that just randomly invites anyone, but despite this, the difference it made for finding good groups was amazing. People are less likely to kick you from a party because you're playing the "wrong class" (GWF) if you happen to be in the same guild as them.
  • tickledpinkstickledpinks Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 276 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    This is completely untrue. There are all types of guilds out there with plenty of guild leaders who know what they are doing, and would not condone this behavior.

    Sure you have bad guild leaders out there... but there's so many good ones that your statement is almost null and void.

    You just need to do your homework.

    yea, Ive only seen this type of behavior since the inception of EvE Online ten years ago..then watched it happen in EQ2..then watched it happen in WoW and AoC...then Rift and SWTOR...oh and of course it was no surprise when i was greeted with that behavior from a guild here in NW..so...the fact that I have obviously been doing my homework in the MMO gaming community for 10+ years should hold no weight at all. I definitely don't know what I speak of..I'm sure its all made up.:rolleyes:
  • hyttehanshyttehans Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 61
    edited July 2013
    sereenawind wrote: »
    Personally I have found this game to have the most UNCARING, UNHELPFUL people in it of almost any online game I've ever played. Join a guild?? WHY?? Are they better once u do. Does that change these UNCARING persons miraculously?
    By joining A guild under these circumstances I'm lowing myself. It means I actually want to associate with persons who can care less! Not everyone is bad, actually I've met a few who were great, but they are far and few between! Don't believe me just ask a simple question, nothing drastic and see if it gets answered. MAYHAPS after repeating it 100 times you might get an answer. NOT all at once that is spamming and we have enough of them already!
    BUT This Game To join if I want a chance at better equipment with there is forcing me Gwatamyln( game isn't on so I can't spell it sorry) PVP setup. as much as I DETEST PVP I'm game if it advances me or my equipment, But it isn't RIGHT or FAIR that I cannot join in unless I join a guild> ( I actually tried one claimed to be a mature and responsible guild still waiting for a reply OOOOOHHHHH!!!! it burns me so that I HAVE to do this!:mad:

    You can make your completely own guild, you just need 4 people to help you creating it, most are willing to if you give them 1 G each, we did this me and my RL friends playing this game, a guild of 3 people.

    Hope this helps you out abit.
  • johnygwapojohnygwapo Member Posts: 442 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    you can actually go alone without. joined a guild (previous, not referring to my current guild), didnt had an aid from them

    tip: get your GS up to 9k+.. its easy farm t1 pvp gear and put lvl 5 enchants..
    you get lvl 5 enchants on your way to lvl 60

    after that you can join many parties just use zone chat
    if you want a friendly guild. our guild is open for all
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