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PvE and PvP forced together? No thanks. Buh bye...

schwoffinsschwoffins Member Posts: 9 Arc User
edited June 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Gauntelflobble or whatever it's called.

If you force PvP into my PvE environment I will flush this game down the toilet and you will never see a penny from me as I move onto other MMOs

I was planning to buy a lot of stuff from the store, but not now. Not interested in having PvP forced upon me.

Not reading responses. This is feedback primarily for Cryptic.
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  • nullwolf1nullwolf1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Even in the PvP portions of Gauntlgrym there are PvE tasks to be accomplished...
    If you can't even wait for it to be released to make your judgement, then that's up to you.
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  • bghostbghost Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    i love it and i'm not a hardcore pvper. it ads a new spin to pvp.
  • maiku217maiku217 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    This feels like what Cabal Online brought into their game if anyone remember that game. Problem was... I get it, 40 people.. 20vs20 but how are the pugs going to queue for matches? Is it balanced? If so.. what if there's only 5 DCs online, one group of GG can be played but everyone else has to wait 1-2 hours to play GG?
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  • daervondaervon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    maiku217 wrote: »
    ...what if there's only 5 DCs online, one group of GG can be played but everyone else has to wait 1-2 hours to play GG?

    If there are only 5 DCs online then this game will have bigger problems than just balance in Gauntlgrym... Just sayin'.
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  • silveralucardsilveralucard Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 410 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    i like it that just that gave me reson to buy the guardian pack to be lv 60 more quickly and save some AD for some T2 equip for my Char i can live in peace thinking that i can play 2 hours everyday after work just for these once i'm lv 60 :D
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  • labbblabbb Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I don't like PvP , but this sounds cool . With NPC's in the PvP zone , the reason I don't pvp will be removed . The usualy problem with pvp is they use different gear , that I do not spend the time to get . This way they will still need to have their pve gear on , or get worked .

    Do not know how this will work before the server merges sibce some servers do not have a lot of lv 60 groups .
  • zombieelviszombieelvis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Just wait, pretty soon you will have to craft certain items to play PvE and PvP content :rolleyes:
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  • lerdocixlerdocix Member Posts: 897 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Suit yourself OP.
    I personally loved the old alterac valley in wow and I hope this one will be similar to it.
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Keep this one clean folks, OPs opinion is his own. Opinions are discussable but they aren't debatable.

    As for Gauntlgrym I've run an earlier version of it and the PvE content was awesome. The PvP element was optional. As someone who highly dislikes PvP, I was able to do this one, complete it and leave without ever PvPing. Its there if you want to do it, and nonexistant of you are just interested in the PvE portion. It's excellent content.

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  • spyke2009spyke2009 Member Posts: 674 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    Keep this one clean folks, OPs opinion is his own. Opinions are discussable but they aren't debatable.

    As for Gauntlgrym I've run an earlier version of it and the PvE content was awesome. The PvP element was optional. As someone who highly dislikes PvP, I was able to do this one, complete it and leave without ever PvPing. Its there if you want to do it, and nonexistant of you are just interested in the PvE portion. It's excellent content.

    O_o you might want to elaborate on how you avoided the pvp element.
  • gaerolthgaerolth Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 289 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    schwoffins wrote: »
    Gauntelflobble or whatever it's called.

    If you force PvP into my PvE environment I will flush this game down the toilet and you will never see a penny from me as I move onto other MMOs

    I was planning to buy a lot of stuff from the store, but not now. Not interested in having PvP forced upon me.

    Not reading responses. This is feedback primarily for Cryptic.

    You don't have to do gautlgrym. It's tier 2 content which already exists in the game.
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    spyke2009 wrote: »
    O_o you might want to elaborate on how you avoided the pvp element.

    Nice try! ;) your gonna have to wait just bit longer to find out...

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  • myrmeenlhalmyrmeenlhal Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    Nice try! ;) your gonna have to wait just bit longer to find out...

    Unfortunately the trailer emphasised the PvP element, and gave no indication that it was optional. I was totally thinking like the OP until I read your posts in this thread.

    Maybe you could poke some people and let them know that's the impression they're giving right now? The idea of compulsory PvP is a big turn off for a lot of us carebears.

    (Though it is a big old fuss being made about gear that's already in game in Epic Dungeons - there's one way to avoid PvP!)
  • spyke2009spyke2009 Member Posts: 674 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    Nice try! ;) your gonna have to wait just bit longer to find out...

    -_- *sigh*

    I care little for surprises, and this is the kind of silly patronizing rubbish that irks me. From what you're saying you were able to completely and utterly avoid pvp in a pvp segment of a dungeon. If you're unable to say how then fine, but you might want to convey that leaving such information out due to some strange "oooh it's a surprisezors" direction just comes across as silly, and could be misconstrued as deliberately misleading folks to GENERATE drama.
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    spyke2009 wrote: »
    -_- *sigh*

    I care little for surprises, and this is the kind of silly patronizing rubbish that irks me. From what you're saying you were able to completely and utterly avoid pvp in a pvp segment of a dungeon. If you're unable to say how then fine, but you might want to convey that leaving such information out due to some strange "oooh it's a surprisezors" direction just comes across as silly, and could be misconstrued as deliberately misleading folks to GENERATE drama.

    LOL! No, it means we will have to wait to run the content what it becomes available. Like I stated, I tested an earlier version. They very well could have changed it.

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  • spyke2009spyke2009 Member Posts: 674 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    LOL! No, it means we will have to wait to run the content what it becomes available. Like I stated, I tested an earlier version. They very well could have changed it.


    So you're basing your assumption on outdated information?

    Sorry to be obtuse, I'm not trying to cause drama, but you're hinting that he (OP) might be just going on an assumption, one he got from an official trailer... :/

    edit: Guess he wasn't attacked. Force of habit to assume he would be xD
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    myrmeenlhal wrote: »
    Unfortunately the trailer emphasised the PvP element, and gave no indication that it was optional. I was totally thinking like the OP until I read your posts in this thread.

    Maybe you could poke some people and let them know that's the impression they're giving right now? The idea of compulsory PvP is a big turn off for a lot of us carebears.

    (Though it is a big old fuss being made about gear that's already in game in Epic Dungeons - there's one way to avoid PvP!)

    Yeah, it's brilliant the way they did it (PvP was totally optional, like an optional quest in a quest). My guildies literally had to carry me kicking and screaming in order to try it, as I do not like PvP... no interest in it whatsoever. I have to admit, I left the quest impressed. Those who liked PvP, were impressed. That was a while ago... and there was still coding needed to make everything smooth. That's probably why they waited to release it until now. I think many will be pleasantly surprised.

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  • izatarizatar Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,161 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Don't Panic!
  • gaerolthgaerolth Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 289 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    spyke2009 wrote: »
    So you're basing your assumption on outdated information?

    Sorry to be obtuse, I'm not trying to cause drama, but the op is being attacked for his opinion, then you're hinting that it he might be just going on an assumption, one he got from an official trailer... :/

    Here's something I picked up from the text describing it and the video itself. It drops tier 2 gear. Tier 2 gear currently exists in this game. You are not forced to do gauntlgrym to progress. It isn't the "Next" end game content. It's a supplement to existing content with equal rewards. It's another way of obtaining said rewards.

    So to the guy he quoted.. "Don't do it if you don't like it." Done.
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    spyke2009 wrote: »
    So you're basing your assumption on outdated information?

    Sorry to be obtuse, I'm not trying to cause drama, but the op is being attacked for his opinion, then you're hinting that it he might be just going on an assumption, one he got from an official trailer... :/

    What part do you not understand? He stated he does not wish to play content that requires PvP. I was stating that the version many of us play-tested before open beta began did not require PvP involvement. It's a very interesting quest.

    The OP will not be attacked for his opinion, that's our responsibility to ensure it. He has a very valid opinion. Please lets remember to respect each other and have discussions and not arguments.

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  • knoteskadknoteskad Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    Keep this one clean folks, OPs opinion is his own. Opinions are discussable but they aren't debatable.

    As for Gauntlgrym I've run an earlier version of it and the PvE content was awesome. The PvP element was optional. As someone who highly dislikes PvP, I was able to do this one, complete it and leave without ever PvPing. Its there if you want to do it, and nonexistant of you are just interested in the PvE portion. It's excellent content.

    Is it generic bosses with add spam still? I'm assuming yes lol.

    Also, forcing competitive PvP will make the game P2W, careful Cryptic. =p
  • gaerolthgaerolth Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 289 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    knoteskad wrote: »
    Is it generic bosses with add spam still? I'm assuming yes lol.

    Also, forcing competitive PvP will make the game P2W, careful Cryptic. =p

    Nothing is forced though. I don't understand where people are getting this impression. It's tier 2 drops and you can already do dungeons to get tier 2. Gauntlgrym is entirely optional no one is forced to run it for anything other than if you think it's a neat idea.
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Gaerolth is on it folks! Its just a quest. Its a massive one.. but still just a quest. Give it a try, if you like it, do it again, if not... there's plenty else to do, such as getting lost in one of Gillrmn's foundry quests!!

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  • spyke2009spyke2009 Member Posts: 674 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    What part do you not understand? He stated he does not wish to play content that requires PvP. I was stating that the version many of us play-tested before open beta began did not require PvP involvement. It's a very interesting quest.

    The OP will not be attacked for his opinion, that's our responsibility to ensure it. He has a very valid opinion. Please lets remember to respect each other and have discussions and not arguments.

    yeah I see that now, he isn't being attacked I mistakenly assumed given how these threads usually go, my bad. Edited my original post btw in case you want to update your own.

    Anyways, having watched the trailer again, he opens the trailer by identifying this as a battleground.

    In short, that immediately made me facepalm and realize, this is a primarily PVP content update. The PVE elements are just there to flesh out the PVP. Meaning the balance changes are all that matter to those who focus on PVE anyways. So the release just doesn't affect me personally.
  • gaerolthgaerolth Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 289 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    spyke2009 wrote: »
    yeah I see that now, he isn't being attacked I mistakenly assumed given how these threads usually go, my bad. Edited my original post btw in case you want to update your own.

    Anyways, having watched the trailer again, he opens the trailer by identifying this as a battleground.

    In short, that immediately made me facepalm and realize, this is a primarily PVP content update. The PVE elements are just there to flesh out the PVP. Meaning the balance changes are all that matter to those who focus on PVE anyways. So the release just doesn't affect me personally.

    That's pretty much it in all honesty which isn't a bad thing. There's already dungeons to get tier 2. Currently there's no way to pvp and gain access to tier 2 gear. This allows pvpers to have a shot at tier 2 gear by pvping as opposed to doing dungeon runs. It opens up more "options" for end game gear. It doesn't render other methods obsolete and the gear isn't anything better than the current best.
  • jonnarajonnara Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    Keep this one clean folks, OPs opinion is his own. Opinions are discussable but they aren't debatable.

    As for Gauntlgrym I've run an earlier version of it and the PvE content was awesome. The PvP element was optional. As someone who highly dislikes PvP, I was able to do this one, complete it and leave without ever PvPing. Its there if you want to do it, and nonexistant of you are just interested in the PvE portion. It's excellent content.

    The video stated that you have to win the 2nd section "the pvp event" to enter the Tier 2 Dungeon. So is that not the case?

    I do not enjoy PVP in MMOs, I only play real PVP on FPS/Moba and RTS games.
  • gaerolthgaerolth Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 289 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    jonnara wrote: »
    The video stated that you have to win the 2nd section "the pvp event" to enter the Tier 2 Dungeon. So is that not the case?

    I do not enjoy PVP in MMOs, I only play real PVP on FPS games.

    It's tier 2. You can run tier 2 dungeons for tier 2 gear. You don't have to do gauntlgrym you don't have to pvp.
  • spyke2009spyke2009 Member Posts: 674 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    gaerolth wrote: »
    That's pretty much it in all honesty which isn't a bad thing. There's already dungeons to get tier 2. Currently there's no way to pvp and gain access to tier 2 gear. This allows pvpers to have a shot at tier 2 gear by pvping as opposed to doing dungeon runs. It opens up more "options" for end game gear. It doesn't render other methods obsolete and the gear isn't anything better than the current best.

    Yup, I don't know why they just didn't STATE this though, instead of making out that this is new endgame PVE stuff.
  • jonnarajonnara Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 144 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    gaerolth wrote: »
    It's tier 2. You can run tier 2 dungeons for tier 2 gear. You don't have to do gauntlgrym you don't have to pvp.

    What about to explore and experience that dungeon content? or is both T1 and T2 the same dungeon?
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The best way to describe it is competitive PvE. You can compete against other PvE teams, without ever fighting one another, while the PvPers do their role. Interesting stuff, and hey whats that... I cant.... say...... any.. morreeee ;)

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