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Automated Profession crafting against TOS?

grebushthndrstkgrebushthndrstk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 13 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
I am trying to find out if Automated Profession crafting is against TOS. It is not an exploit it simply restarts your crafting tasks when they are done.
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  • calaminthacalamintha Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    "Automated"
    "not an exploit"
    :confused:

    From ToS:
    You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or give you an advantage in the use of the Services which is not authorized by PWE, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.
  • watchyourbackwatchyourback Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    if you had to ask then somewhere deep inside of you came the thought of "this may be wrong". it is.
  • flayedawgflayedawg Member Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    grebushthndrstk wrote: »
    I am trying to find out if Automated Profession crafting is against TOS. It is not an exploit it simply restarts your crafting tasks when they are done.

    So, if you're AFK, it re-starts your crafting tasks?

    That's an "exploit," by my book.
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  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Automation is an exploit.
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • pboar2006pboar2006 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 421 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Automation is not an exploit people! Automation is Automation which is against the TOS. Botting is never allowed in a MMO
  • lollielollie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Sounds like they should just add it into game as a feature, crafting is boring.
  • hkiewahkiewa Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 379 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    lollie wrote: »
    Sounds like they should just add it into game as a feature, crafting is boring.

    Not if your at work
  • grebushthndrstkgrebushthndrstk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It doesn't play the game at all, it would use the gateway.playneverwinter.com website. Which can be accessed from anywhere.
  • pboar2006pboar2006 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 421 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    grebushthndrstk wrote: »
    It doesn't play the game at all, it would use the gateway.playneverwinter.com website. Which can be accessed from anywhere.

    It doesnt matter if it plays the game or not, as it is connected to your characters it is enforced by the same TOS. You want to bot fine, by making this post you can be sure your account has been flagged to be watched.
  • grebushthndrstkgrebushthndrstk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    No different than me logging into the website every few hours and restarting my tasks. I wish there was an auto-craft/ easy way to restart a craft from the website or game but you currently cannot. Doesn't give me an advantage really, just takes laziness to a higher level and removes monotony.
  • grebushthndrstkgrebushthndrstk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Was looking for an official ruling from Cryptic if possible.
  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    grebushthndrstk wrote: »
    No different than me logging into the website every few hours and restarting my tasks. I wish there was an auto-craft/ easy way to restart a craft from the website or game but you currently cannot. Doesn't give me an advantage really, just takes laziness to a higher level and removes monotony.

    The same argument can be made of any automation. Which is why all forms of automation are against the ToS.

    If it is, in fact, no different from you logging in and doing it, then why don't you just do that? Clearly, it *is* different.
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • grebushthndrstkgrebushthndrstk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    True I guess. Crafting is just sooooooooo boring. Can I hire a rare slave driver resource to make my crafters work automatically?
  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    grebushthndrstk wrote: »
    True I guess. Crafting is just sooooooooo boring. Can I hire a rare slave driver resource to make my crafters work automatically?

    Sure. What's minimum wage in your state?

    Don't forget to pay your payroll taxes!
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • flayedawgflayedawg Member Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    grebushthndrstk wrote: »
    No different than me logging into the website every few hours and restarting my tasks

    Right, because having to log in every few hours & manually restart is TOTALLY EXACTLY THE SAME as automating that task.

    /facepalm
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  • jnaathrajnaathra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Unlike a game client, there is nothing they can do to monitor how people use a website.
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  • lollielollie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    jnaathra wrote: »
    Unlike a game client, there is nothing they can do to monitor how people use a website.

    Exactly. Have at it OP.
  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    jnaathra wrote: »
    Unlike a game client, there is nothing they can do to monitor how people use a website.

    True. However, unlike the judicial system, they don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to take action.
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • lollielollie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    elessym wrote: »
    True. However, unlike the judicial system, they don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to take action.

    They wouldn't know, OP might just be efficient with a stopwatch.
  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    lollie wrote: »
    They wouldn't know, OP might just be efficient with a stopwatch.

    I'm not going to post how they would know. But it ought to be pretty obvious how this could be detected.
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • lollielollie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    elessym wrote: »
    I'm not going to post how they would know. But it ought to be pretty obvious how this could be detected.

    Nope, no idea. How would they tell with a website?
  • clannamuirclannamuir Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 217 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    jnaathra wrote: »
    Unlike a game client, there is nothing they can do to monitor how people use a website.

    Considering that you have to log in, this is a false statement. Yes, they can, and probable do monitor what you do on the web site. As for detecting bots, there are ways from the usage reports to detect botting.
  • grebushthndrstkgrebushthndrstk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    They could easily detect it if they were looking. Time to add random numbers! Just Kidding. I have spent money on this game and do not want to lose my acc.
  • lollielollie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    clannamuir wrote: »
    Considering that you have to log in, this is a false statement. Yes, they can, and probable do monitor what you do on the web site. As for detecting bots, there are ways from the usage reports to detect botting.

    How could they tell? To a website, clicking is clicking.
  • daowacedaowace Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You're not technically playing the game while using the gateway; I honestly see no harm.

    I myself would prefer an automation script that runs every x amount of hours instead of setting a timer to do it myself; complete waste of time and effort when there's no real difference made. Hell, some people set timers to wake up set things before going back to bed. That's harmful to one's health and should be done automatically.

    Ideally, they should give us a 'repeat crafting for x amount of times' option.. though limit it to maybe 5-10 times otherwise it could be exploited to hell. (Run 2 hour profession activity 99 times, repeat!)
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  • kr0owekr0owe Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 104 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Maybe you want a bot to that do more then just crafting?

    Seriously, why are some ppl evmen playing this game? A whole lot of ppl just afk'ing battleground and now you even want a "bot" that crafts for you? Come on, just quit the game...
  • lollielollie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    kr0owe wrote: »
    Seriously, why are some ppl evmen playing this game? A whole lot of ppl just afk'ing battleground and now you even want a "bot" that crafting for you? Come on, just quit the game instead...

    Well they created a grind system for crafting, isn't like doing crafting is fun and compelling is it.

    Good point about why play the game though.
  • nectarprimenectarprime Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    lollie wrote: »
    How could they tell? To a website, clicking is clicking.

    Sure it is.
  • grebushthndrstkgrebushthndrstk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I Love playing the game. Just not crafting. I don't want a bot to play for me, that part is fun. It's not like minecraft where you are stimulating some part of your brain crafting, you just click, pick mercenary, click, done. Repeat in an hour...
  • grebushthndrstkgrebushthndrstk Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Repetitive Point and click simulator 2013!
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