Please don't make wearables matching gender only

nisckis

Good morning, could you please do not make more wearable items gender matching only?

It's really disappointing that wearable items are gender only. We are at 1494 DR so I can barely believe that I'm forced to wear these fluffy clothes, like a mistress in distress, instead of something that looks fiercer.

Update: these clothes are from the new coming module, I'm not asking for changing old ones, just asking to put the new ones available for every gender.

originalsin

r000kie said:

How about stop trying to destroy games and movies to match your thing? How do you think clothes designed for a male ava will look on a woman ava? I bet there are manly looking sets for women like Icewind ones. Or spend 750 ZEN for a race (and gender) reroll token.

What even is manly clothes? As if Faerunian wizards don’t wear what we would consider to be dresses and tights anyway.

Dragonborn still get to wear clothes obviously not designed for someone with a triangular torso. Halflings can use weapons that were not designed for someone that short. Tieflings can wear clothes not made for tail and horn owners. If there clipping issue or it looks bad then people just won’t use it but why limit options?

greywynd

The outfits shown above are fitting for the Barovia/Ravenloft setting. Which does distinguish between "manly" and "feminine".

There are more than sufficient outfits in leveling gear that does put females in shirt and pants.

Wizards regularly wear robes. Mainly because, according to Dresden, their labs tend to be cold.

thefiresidecat

if they're going to be flat out sexist in the womens clothing dept... why can't the males wear dresses if we want to make them cross dressers? I don't see the problem with it. why can't We have our female toons be butch too? or at least fearsome warriors. I think it would be awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng0msY5B_gY

I like dressing my male dragonborns as pinkly as possible because it's funny. I'd love to have silly dresses available for them.

nisckis

greywynd said:

The outfits shown above are fitting for the Barovia/Ravenloft setting. Which does distinguish between "manly" and "feminine".

There are more than sufficient outfits in leveling gear that does put females in shirt and pants.

Wizards regularly wear robes. Mainly because, according to Dresden, their labs tend to be cold.

The clothes are from the new module, taken from preview while I was testing the new campaign.

bpstuart

I am not adverse to feminine clothing but sometimes, the women's designs are a little extra.
The sun elf noble outfit looks nice and robe like on a man but when i checked it out on my Female wizard it made her look like a belly dancer, ( Edit: no it doesn't i was thinking the courtisan wear, the sun elf reglia is more a mini skirt.) which is fine, but i wanted to give her a robe like garment in the elven style and the women's version of that garment is very much not that.

Though it would look great if i made a priestess of Sune Cleric.

There is room in the game for sexy and revealing, as well as gender neutral practical stuff. As it stands now, the Thayan Patrician and Air cultist garment is the only wizardry garments that look like actual clothing on women.

Y'all also just need more Armor themed fashions period, the Gond Tinkerer set and the icewind dale Survivor set are about all you got.
Well there is the Dwarven rager set but no one wants to hug me when i wear it.

frogwalloper

thefiresidecat said:

why can't We have our female toons be butch too? or at least fearsome warriors.

We can. Mine do - always have done so, fierce, I mean - not butch, but certainly not frilly. There's already a lot of good practical armor for either side.

Where I get irritated is when there's a perfectly good outfit that's ruined by that horrible loin cloth flap thing that so much of the women's clothing seems to have. Plenty of men's wear is ruined by adding that particularly awful design element, but it's even more common with the women's armor and fashion. I hate it. Always have.

thefiresidecat

frogwalloper#6494 said:

thefiresidecat said:

why can't We have our female toons be butch too? or at least fearsome warriors.

We can. Mine do - always have done so, fierce, I mean - not butch, but certainly not frilly. There's already a lot of good practical armor for either side.

Where I get irritated is when there's a perfectly good outfit that's ruined by that horrible loin cloth flap thing that so much of the women's clothing seems to have. Plenty of men's wear is ruined by adding that particularly awful design element, but it's even more common with the women's armor and fashion. I hate it. Always have.

I don't like most of the choices for women. I'd like to be able to put things as they are for men on female characters. I'd like the choice.

jules

<blockquote class="Quote" rel="r000kie">How do you think clothes designed for a male ava will look on a woman ava? </blockquote>
Like clothes!
There is a thing that might be hard to understand about equality (I know, I know, gaming industry...) but it's called choice.
Publishing both versions for everybody is wrong because...?

kreatyve

While I'm not sure, as I've not really asked about this, based on my limited knowledge of how the game was made, I think the lack of choice is more due to technical reasons than equality reasons. The way that armor and outfits are made, etc.

jules

I'm not sure about that, but I will be happy to be educated about it, but: It's possible for head fashion, isn't it? And I think the armorsmithing (?) fashion (at least the MW one) looks about the same on male/female if I remember correctly.

milehighxr

There are so many other BIGGER issues in game that need fixing. This to me (like all other fashion bugs) falls under the heading of "giant waste of devs already precious and dwindling time"...

jules

milehighxr#1299 said:

There are so many other BIGGER issues in game that need fixing. This to me (like all other fashion bugs) falls under the heading of "giant waste of devs already precious and dwindling time"...

Yeah, I can see what happens with the already precious and dwindling time.
I personally wouldn't have needed a lot of stuff either.

E: trying to be nicer, failing more often lately.

greywynd

It is entirely possible it falls under their approval from WotC/Hasbro clause in the licensing agreement.

molchar

It's hard enough to watch movies like Captainette America and be able to reach suspension of disbelief with the macho-yet-female twisted "whatever it is" thing that's supposed to be. If you want to look gruff, play a male toon. I ilike the feminine outfits on female toons. Rolls with nature, rows downstream...

thefiresidecat

molchar#7365 said:

It's hard enough to watch movies like Captainette America and be able to reach suspension of disbelief with the macho-yet-female twisted "whatever it is" thing that's supposed to be. If you want to look gruff, play a male toon. I ilike the feminine outfits on female toons. Rolls with nature, rows downstream...

I find this insulting. feel free to dress your toon how you like, but this rolls like some hardcore misogyne to me. I like to see women in the womens clothes so don't give them equality of choice? I bet seeing men in dresses really confuses you huh? It really bothers me that some people let their toon go around in their underware. because it's as close to nekkid as they can get them. so it seems only fair to me that the devs let me dress my male toons as women just to irritate those same people that irritate me.

meirami

One of the most blatant examples of this is Decaying Habit from the Ravenloft mod. It's a hat... or at least that's what you would think from the icon. Yet, for some reason, this straw hat morphs into a towel if equipped on a woman character.

pitshade

Well, on a woman character, it displays as a nun's habit, hence the name. The straw hat is the weird part

greywynd

The men's straw hat is decaying. The women's cover is a habit. There you have the Decaying Habit.

thefiresidecat

reading this thread reminds me of a time a few months back when some guy went off on a serious anti HAMSTER (men who like other men) tirade against me because I had my DB decked out in all pink wings and silly hat. he was so over the top with the verbal abuse I had to laugh because he was like donald duck.. but then I was like, wow. he's honestly serious. I thought it was not at first. then I was like wow. this is what HAMSTER (homosexual) people go thru? that sucks. I pm'd his guild leader. he got kicked. I had an alt in his guild. I really don't get why some people get worked up over this....

(edited to get around the filters because the context I'm using those words in I Honestly believe is not the context they are filtered out for)

jules

thefiresidecat said:

reading this thread reminds me of a time a few months back when some guy went off on a serious anti HAMSTER (men who like other men) tirade against me because I had my DB decked out in all pink wings and silly hat. he was so over the top with the verbal abuse I had to laugh because he was like donald duck.. but then I was like, wow. he's honestly serious. I thought it was not at first. then I was like wow. this is what HAMSTER (homosexual) people go thru? that sucks. I pm'd his guild leader. he got kicked. I had an alt in his guild. I really don't get why some people get worked up over this....

Don't think too much on why people cannot accept other's value as a person, you might damage your brain.
Seriously tho, there are people that think their own opinion, morals, values are more important than other people. You can't help them, if you find it in yourself you can feel sorry for them at most.

I just want to leave it here that if I want my female toon to look like a uglyborn sharandar icon or like a guy or just like a female with clothes, it is because I like it. I might not like how other toons look too, but just like when I pass a person on the streets that wears stuff I don't like, I remember how my momma told me that it might not be my piece of cake, so I don't have to eat it. I can find my own piece, let them eat theirs, we both have cake, so what's to lose.