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Vivified Relic Armor Locked Away Behind FBI = HAMSTER Move

lance1967lance1967 Member Posts: 27 Arc User
edited March 2017 in Player Feedback (PC)
The one good thing with the River District, is a solo CASUAL player has the ability to grind away and unlock the new Ascended Weapon Sets. They (currently) seem on par with the SoMI Relic Set.

The problem is the Vivified (best PVE armor set) is locked away behind FBI runs. Forcing a casual player to have to RELY ON OTHERS to help him/her to obtain them. What I'm finding is:

1) If you are in a guild, most guild members will have already obtained them from countless FBI runs already and don't want to do FBI anymore.
2) Some guild members hate FBI, and won't run it at all and are just settling for the older armor sets.
3) When attempting to join a PUG to run FBI, and you can't even make it up to the first boss without 30+ wipes and an hour of trying (to just the first boss) is very discouraging. They usually give up after about 2 hours as they have other things in life to attend to, hence the casual player.
4) Then if they do complete an FBI in full, there is still only a SMALL chance that you will get a Relic Armor Piece to drop.

I just find it in bad form to literally make the BiS Relic Armor unattainable for a casual player and forcing a person to rely on others to get it. And to not at least make it so SOME piece of the relic armor is obtained from each FBI run after finally finding a decent group to help you get through it is pretty disheartening.

Bottom Line: All that work to find a decent group and all the time (in many cases) spent to get thru FBI, and still leave empty handed sucks. I'd rather have 5 pairs of the same vivified boots in my inventory (bound to character) than nothing at all to show for running FBI...

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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    Give it a few modules. They'll add something more easily accessible down the road, as with Drowcraft and Dusk. This is completely within their overall itemization scheme, releasing something fairly exclusive first and then adding more options later.

    Not everyone could get Dragonflight when that was the new hotness either.
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  • grimahgrimah Member Posts: 1,658 Arc User
    I havent failed a FBI since before msva came out. And I mostly PUG it on PvE channels make friends with good tanks or healers that you like and go from there.
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  • thegurupandit#0671 thegurupandit Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    I am waiting till those relic come in lockbox ^^
    >:) Life is like a train journey. Someone gets in, someone gets off and someone switches the wagon > :)
  • asterotgasterotg Member Posts: 1,742 Arc User
    To be honest, imo the problem is not the fact, that BIS gear is gated behind a difficult dungeon, but the loot.

    There has been no real incentive, to run it before and there is less now. Jarls gaze and other gear are similar or even better and the loot/'time spent in the dungeon' ratio is on of the worst in this game. I did run it once, to know, that I can master it and some times, to help friends. Otherwise I stay clear of it. While my friends farmed FBI, I ran POM, Edemo and CN. They have their vivified gear, some R8s and maybe some BTC +5 rings. I have tons of AD from daily dungeons and salvageable items, a BTA +5 rising crit ring und more R8s for my effort.
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  • spideymtspideymt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 710 Arc User
    asterotg said:

    Jarls gaze and other gear are similar or even better

    Similar or even better? Explain plz. Sounds interesting

  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    Most of the new armors are horribly balanced. They either have few hit points, or all hit points without much else. Power is same. Only one with crit I can think of.
  • hastati96hastati96 Member Posts: 498 Arc User
    You want the best equipment? Do something for it. Clear the most difficult content and it is yours. - I do not see a problem behind this logic.
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  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    hastati96 said:

    You want the best equipment? Do something for it. Clear the most difficult content and it is yours. - I do not see a problem behind this logic.

    I don't think the majority have a problem with that logic. I think it is the clearing the dungeon 60 times and still not getting a raid sallet or vambraces.

    You missed the "Clear the most difficult content MANY, MANY, MANY times" part.
  • sorce#8115 sorce Member Posts: 1,009 Arc User
    Relic gear is dropping in Master Spellplague.
  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    Good to know. Some variation in the hunt!
  • uptondarkdiamonduptondarkdiamond Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 169 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    The drop rate (relic gear) for mSP is just as bad and suffers from the same RNG problem that FBI has as far as getting the wrong relic pieces. Not only that it takes longer to complete mSP.... so yes it drops from mSP.

    Until Cryptic comes up with a guaranteed (Seals of some form would be nice) way to get the desired gear it becomes a boring grind with nothing to look forward at the end of dungeon runs.....

    One last thought about this relic gear... I am not a fan of the empowerment.... just more grind.......such a bad idea imho, i do have some armor pieces restored but I do not empower it...
  • lance1967lance1967 Member Posts: 27 Arc User

    The drop rate (relic gear) for mSP is just as bad and suffers from the same RNG problem that FBI has as far as getting the wrong relic pieces. Not only that it takes longer to complete mSP.... so yes it drops from mSP.

    Until Cryptic comes up with a guaranteed (Seals of some form would be nice) way to get the desired gear it becomes a boring grind with nothing to look forward at the end of dungeon runs.....

    One last thought about this relic gear... I am not a fan of the empowerment.... just more grind.......such a bad idea imho, i do have some armor pieces restored but I do not empower it...

    I have run FBI a few more times and still not a single piece of armor has dropped. And you're right, EVEN if you do get a piece of armor to drop, it might not even be the right type that you are looking for!!! So, yes, these grinds are getting truly boring and just not worth anyone's actual time. If they are going to make it so difficult to get the armor in the first place, then AT LEAST make it so you get a choice in which type (Ward, Restoration, etc.) you get.
  • javviierjavviier Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    MMORPGs grinding has never been made for Casual players. settle for old content gear if ur casual and wait till new gear comes to get the next one... if u dont have enough time...
  • yashmak#1787 yashmak Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    Balancing all the features of this game must be terribly hard. Right now on PC it's very hard to find someone to run FBI with. If you are able to find someone there will be a very high chance that you miss a DC. Again, if you are able to find a DC there is a very high chance the group won't be good enough to finish the run under an hour and a half. And if you finish it in less than an hour and a half you might not get anything from the loot and you will need to grind for new keys and repeat the whole process.
    To make things worse it came Mod 11. I really hate TCA, the River District seems like full of bad dummies waiting to be killed in groups. It's terribly fake and grindy. Playing Mod 11 contents seems like playing a very old stile game with no AI. Mod 11 made things worse for FBI because after about a month of (awful) grinding people are able to unlock Spell Plague and avoid FBI grinding to get SKT gear. Wait... SKT gear coming from TCA? That gear has bonuses which are good for SKT only, what does it have to do with TCA? On PC SpellPlague just lowered the chance to find someone to play FBI with, and it's getting lower as more people keep unlocking it. What's the sense of all this?

    What I would really like to see:
    • Give more reasons to run FBI other than relic gear. For example: good SKT random loot (everfrost armor kits, frost glyphs, consumables, lanolin and so on). Hey it's the hardest dungeon in the game, aimed to top players, get something good out of it.
    • Raise the IL requirement for the public queue system and lower / remove it from the private one. This will make people queue for pugs and let lower IL players learn how to play it by finding groups.
    • Split FBI in two parts, pretty much like IG works. So that people that get into bad groups can quit by getting an intermediate loot. How many times I had to quit after an hour of FBI wasting the whole run...
    • TAKE RELIC GEAR OUT OF Spellplague!
    • Extend relic gear's bonus to work outside SKT
    • Make it easier to unlock the dungeons. If you don't want players to play FBI at least make it easier to unlock Spellplague
  • superjellybabysuperjellybaby Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    So you want relic gear to just be handed out like candy? I understand the reasoning but if you got all endgame gear so easily you woild be complaining at lack of anything to do, We really do need more reasons to run FBI though but no joke i'm at 150+ runs of fbi on my ALT for the gloves and i have had the wrong pair 7 times, i still dont want anyone and everyone to have easier access to them though, Its all pointless anyways with the mastercrafting update
  • yashmak#1787 yashmak Member Posts: 38 Arc User

    So you want relic gear to just be handed out like candy? I understand the reasoning but if you got all endgame gear so easily you woild be complaining at lack of anything to do, We really do need more reasons to run FBI though but no joke i'm at 150+ runs of fbi on my ALT for the gloves and i have had the wrong pair 7 times, i still dont want anyone and everyone to have easier access to them though, Its all pointless anyways with the mastercrafting update

    If you are talking about me I don't think you read my post :smile:
  • superjellybabysuperjellybaby Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    i was talking to op
  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User


    What I would really like to see:

    • Give more reasons to run FBI other than relic gear. For example: good SKT random loot (everfrost armor kits, frost glyphs, consumables, lanolin and so on). Hey it's the hardest dungeon in the game, aimed to top players, get something good out of it.
    • Raise the IL requirement for the public queue system and lower / remove it from the private one. This will make people queue for pugs and let lower IL players learn how to play it by finding groups.
    • Split FBI in two parts, pretty much like IG works. So that people that get into bad groups can quit by getting an intermediate loot. How many times I had to quit after an hour of FBI wasting the whole run...
    • TAKE RELIC GEAR OUT OF Spellplague!
    • Extend relic gear's bonus to work outside SKT
    • Make it easier to unlock the dungeons. If you don't want players to play FBI at least make it easier to unlock Spellplague
    +1. I agree with all your points. It seems really odd that Spellplague would drop loot with Everfrost Resistance and bonus damage for Everfrost. Why???

    An intermediate loot would probably double or triple the people running. How many times have I been in a group stuck at Turtle???

    Why is Relic Gear's bonus only good for SKT, when it is still BIS for the whole game?

    People are now talking about the MC armor, but that hasn't dropped yet and will likely take some more time before it becomes reasonably available. Nice if you have the dinero to buy it, another paywall if not. I'm ~BIS and rarely have more than 1 mill AD to float on an item, myself.
  • mousebreaker85#4641 mousebreaker85 Member Posts: 97 Arc User
    I don't mind the armor being locked behind content,being a long time WoW player I am used to best gear being in the hardest content.
    The issue I have is that you still only have a chance at it .
    Another thing that irks me is getting the wrong piece
    Like running 500 skirmishes to finally get a +5 ring and its rising defense for a TR !
    At least in WoW you knew something would drop and it was rolled on by usable classes.
    I think it burns everyone in the group when I get that ring and the GF gets a precision ring .
    The thing that disgusts me is mod 10 relic weapons..
    After all the work to acquire them ,to upgrade you need stuff from master skirmish. That is whack as hell as you have to put in 45 days of 500 hours of grinding to obtain them then spend millions in refining to be even further limited and forced to grind even more for marks.
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