HOW is that possible?

mamalion1234

TOday in elol i did 2.2m ice knife with dread enchantment with 312 % effectiveness. How is that possible when the pt had only dps?( mean no gf no dc no paladin)

mamalion1234

we had a renegade cw but i am suprised 312% effectiveness lol?
WAS synergy was debuff combination of 5 dps ?

c1k4ml3kc3

That's completely regular if you had a team of buff/debuff. Lots of factors contribute to the overall damage.

If you want anyone to answer, you'd need to state with whom you played and what they used in terms of powers.

I'm not going to lie, I've seen bigger numbers with Ice Knife. I think that with the biggest damage potential it was around 6-7 mil. (same setup had other classes single target powers hitting for well over 20 mil though).

thefabricant

c1k4ml3kc3 said:

That's completely regular if you had a team of buff/debuff. Lots of factors contribute to the overall damage.

If you want anyone to answer, you'd need to state with whom you played and what they used in terms of powers.

I'm not going to lie, I've seen bigger numbers with Ice Knife. I think that with the biggest damage potential it was around 6-7 mil. (same setup had other classes single target powers hitting for well over 20 mil though).

I have personally had a 65M IK, freedom has had 70M.

c1k4ml3kc3

Haha, that's awesome.

mamalion1234

no you didnt get it guys. is not about teh ice knife number. it happened twice as you see 309% and 312 % effectiveness and i said the pt was full dps classes except one mof cw. can a mof cw reach the 312% effectiveness?
it was cw-cw-cw-cw-hr

c1k4ml3kc3

Well, you can always see what power predated your Ice Knife in terms of who cast what and at what specific point of time.

I personally doubt that it's possible to reach that number without a DC in PT, but who knows...

mamalion1234

c1k4ml3kc3 said:

Well, you can always see what power predated your Ice Knife in terms of who cast what and at what specific point of time.

I personally doubt that it's possible to reach that number without a DC in PT, but who knows...

Was a mof renegade only since here are 2-3 top mof i am looking for answer.

romotheone

Yes

thefabricant

HR also has debuffs, alone I achieve 240-250% effectiveness, its not inconceivable that the HR could make up another 60-70%.

itbls

thefabricant said:

HR also has debuffs, alone I achieve 240-250% effectiveness, its not inconceivable that the HR could make up another 60-70%.

Also don't forget companion debuffs/buffs, drow debuff that stacks. Plus 4 cw and spamming ray of enfeeblement = 40% dmg boost can be 80% if u all have it on tab and u all time it right. But anyways you didn't provide much information on what races you guys used and what companion and powers. This are just things that can get you that high effectiveness with out actully having a dc/gf buffer

thefabricant

Here is a random puzzle for you guys, I managed to solve it and work out what is going on, but lets see if you can work it out:

http://xboxclips.com/ScaryFawn792498/a478039d-4870-412a-93bf-f7a93b2d42bc

@itbls is exempt from this because he was there when I figured it out, same as @romotheone.

mamalion1234

I talked to that cw and in fact he was doing the full debuff (312%) he was also doing a 200-250% damage buff. I asked the HR and he didn't do any debuffs, after all i don't think Hr have debuffs, the have damage buffs that don't show on ACT unless i'm wrong, but anyway that archer wasn't using any debuffs.

We did a run today together and the debuff was again 298.7%-302.2% with 5 cw run to test. He will share his build with me and i ll tell you more.

Thank you for your time

c1k4ml3kc3

So, multiplying certain powers instead of additive?

thefabricant

c1k4ml3kc3 said:

So, multiplying certain powers instead of additive?

Nope.

mamalion1234

thefabricant said:

Here is a random puzzle for you guys, I managed to solve it and work out what is going on, but lets see if you can work it out:

http://xboxclips.com/ScaryFawn792498/a478039d-4870-412a-93bf-f7a93b2d42bc

@itbls is exempt from this because he was there when I figured it out, same as @romotheone.

IS not the wizard that deal the damage. simple.( credit also to a friend helped me analyze video).

thefabricant

mamalion1234 said:

thefabricant said:

Here is a random puzzle for you guys, I managed to solve it and work out what is going on, but lets see if you can work it out:

http://xboxclips.com/ScaryFawn792498/a478039d-4870-412a-93bf-f7a93b2d42bc

@itbls is exempt from this because he was there when I figured it out, same as @romotheone.

IS not the wizard that deal the damage. simple.( credit also to a friend helped me analyze video).

It is the wizard actually, so you are wrong

mamalion1234

thefabricant said:

mamalion1234 said:

thefabricant said:

Here is a random puzzle for you guys, I managed to solve it and work out what is going on, but lets see if you can work it out:

http://xboxclips.com/ScaryFawn792498/a478039d-4870-412a-93bf-f7a93b2d42bc

@itbls is exempt from this because he was there when I figured it out, same as @romotheone.

IS not the wizard that deal the damage. simple.( credit also to a friend helped me analyze video).

It is the wizard actually, so you are wrong

WIZard buffed sw with wheel due a bug the damage from sw transfered to cw. SO the damage happened from sw but cw was the fire buff wheel caster and got the credit. BEfore they enter on purpose the " superman cw" cast wheel fire where the sw standing. THE duration of video also is exactly same as the fire buff duration 28 seconds.

AND i posted even if was a "bait" to tell how happened is not so super bug since you need a broken sw to do that thing.

thefabricant

mamalion1234 said:

thefabricant said:

mamalion1234 said:

thefabricant said:

Here is a random puzzle for you guys, I managed to solve it and work out what is going on, but lets see if you can work it out:

http://xboxclips.com/ScaryFawn792498/a478039d-4870-412a-93bf-f7a93b2d42bc

@itbls is exempt from this because he was there when I figured it out, same as @romotheone.

IS not the wizard that deal the damage. simple.( credit also to a friend helped me analyze video).

It is the wizard actually, so you are wrong

WIZard buffed sw with wheel due a bug the damage from sw transfered to cw. SO the damage happened from sw but cw was the fire buff wheel caster and got the credit. BEfore they enter on purpose the " superman cw" cast wheel fire where the sw standing.

Correct.

crizpynutz

Oh wow, nice puzzle....

mamalion1234

Thats how should work the paingiver btw. who buffs to get credit somehow;p

mamalion1234

romotheone said:

Yes

Romo, you do more then 300% right? i think so at least

dupeks

mamalion1234 said:

Thats how should work the paingiver btw. who buffs to get credit somehow;p

Kind of, if it took into account all sorts of buffs instead of just the Wheel.

I think we're a really long way from getting to a point where the game can trace where damage is coming from. I'd say they should fix the wheel but it doesn't matter so much and they'd probably end up breaking something else while they're at it.

Thanks @thefabricant that was an interesting puzzle. It's just damage source attribution though, it's not like there are additional benefits from sharing a wheel of power with someone, right?

nathan

Holy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.

I've seen Orcus be dropped in seconds with a SW but I've never seen the number that did it.

Nerf gun. Pow pow.

Also please share this debuff build, MOF drow has been a longtime curiousity of mine

mamalion1234

c1k4ml3kc3 said:

That's completely regular if you had a team of buff/debuff. Lots of factors contribute to the overall damage.

If you want anyone to answer, you'd need to state with whom you played and what they used in terms of powers.

I'm not going to lie, I've seen bigger numbers with Ice Knife. I think that with the biggest damage potential it was around 6-7 mil. (same setup had other classes single target powers hitting for well over 20 mil though).

the highest potential i ever saw current buffs-debuffs and and and. is 12m with vorpal and damn for few digits 9,9m wasnt 10m with dread ice knife:(( 5man pt -dungeon). maybe it goes and further since i dont use pot often for severity etc.

nathan

Any details on these builds?

romotheone

@nathan https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GBmw_bjgSrdkEnQ8GR_N5HgIuEfcvOxXXGDd7cJr-0Y/pub

Appendix 4: Example of a BiS MoF.

Seems to be a bit outdated, but the basic stuff is there. Generally, you don't need much to make a support MoF work.
Swath + Combustive action, a HV set if you happen to have it, plague fire (preferably perfect or higher). You simply have to pay attention to debuffing whatever your group is about to deal damage to. If you don't have a HV set, this build can be the single most effective and cost effective build in the game, next to a DC doing the same.

mamalion1234

I run with the same cw again today and he was at 315% in some cases. I tested the mof build you linked and max was 175%-200% and so nowhere near the numbers i’m seeing. Plus he does damage buff and not only boss debuffs which further increase the party damage.

mamalion1234

I run with the same cw again today and he was at 315% in some cases. I tested the mof build you linked and max was 175%-200% and so nowhere near the numbers i’m seeing. Plus he does damage buff and not only boss debuffs which further increase the party damage

romotheone

Since you are the one with the ACT logs, why are you asking us? Go and look it up. Also, why are you not asking the guy you ran with? Why don't you inspect him, replicate his rotation, etc... we can't do this for you.

thefabricant

Drow racial (5-10%), Combustive action (24%), Swathe (40%), Plaguefire (15%), High Vizier (30%), Debuff Companion (20%) and probably some other stuff I am missing. When playing MoF, I normally get ~240% effectiveness as my max and I am far from optimised, I imagine with an optimized MoF you would get far more.