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Excited upcoming PS4 player with a class question :)

shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
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Hello everyone! I posted on Reddit last week about a good ranged dps class, and I was met with a great response. I thought I might seek the help of the forum users on my next question. I've narrowed it down to CW or SW I think haha. I know the warlock puppet is bugged, but I also understand it would be a long long time before I was in a position for the bug to effect my game-play because I will be starting from scratch on PS4. I hear wiz is AOE focused, has buffs/debuffs, and is relatively safe. On the other hand, I have been told the warlock has high single target and has less survivability. My MMO experience is very limited, so I would like to make a good choice the first time because I only get two character slots. So with all that said which class do you think is the best bet? Which one is more useful? How about in low level groups? Solo? I have no idea how these classes fare in the leveling stages, but if I make it to endgame I want to be relevant and useful. Thank you all for your answers and willingness to answer a noobie's question :smile:
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  • foxxy#4211 foxxy
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    Both classes have their moments; warlock is heavy dmg to single target, while wizard is good at killing lesser mobs quickly, but the dmg to single target is decent. Wizard has 3 dodges, while warlock has sprint that doesnt dodge but reduce incoming damage (u are more vulnerable o be insta killed by a direct attack. eg: losmauths eye lasser). If u stack life steal and pick good feats, boons with life steal/ severity related for both classes, their survivability will be fine, more if u are soul steal path for warlock. Warlock is good at low levels and keep their decent at end level, while wizard is awful at low levels but gets better. Spell storm - renegade wizard is a good choice, as it buffs ur party's dmg with combat advangate and depending on luck, u will get a heal bonus or party damage bonus with his capstone feat and its great for solo and dungeons.
  • oliboypholiboyph Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    SW's have the one of the highest DPS out of the range classes. CW's are very flexible, and probably more "new-player" friendly with all the solo builds available, but if you are interested on being one of the top dps in your server, SW - fury is really good.
    "As the good archmage often admonishes me, I ought not to let my mind wander, as it's too small to go off by itself." -Danilo Thann[/quote]
  • shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    oliboyph said:

    SW's have the one of the highest DPS out of the range classes. CW's are very flexible, and probably more "new-player" friendly with all the solo builds available, but if you are interested on being one of the top dps in your server, SW - fury is really good.

    Can you really top dps with a single target class? Dang haha
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  • shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    defiantone99 said:

    SW is a walking cheat. If you want skill-less play, go ahead and roll one. I would suggest waiting for the class to be fixed before playing it.

    I thought the only broken part was the damnation puppet? Is fury broken as well?
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  • shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    hmm so if the class is noticeably imbalanced how likely is a rework in the future? Sounds like if I were to roll a SW the class would be changed and time would be a little wasted haha
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  • shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    defiantone99 said:

    Yes, class balance is supposed to come to PC in Mod 10. All classes get reworked. The SW is probably the first in line.

    All classes? Dang. a complete overhaul is pretty ambitious haha. So all this info I've been gathering is subject to change in the next expansion haha? How interesting. Can you respec within a class in this game? does it cost money?
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  • shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    defiantone99 said:

    They usually give free ones when classes are rebalanced.

    Hey hey that's nice of them. Do you know much about the CW? How are the paragon paths different? Does one outshine the other?
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    shadow2400 said:

    defiantone99 said:

    They usually give free ones when classes are rebalanced.

    Hey hey that's nice of them. Do you know much about the CW? How are the paragon paths different? Does one outshine the other?
    This: http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1212976/sharpedges-almost-everything-cw-guide-mod-9/p1

    should address all of your CW questions. If anything I like CW because it's the only class with such an extensive guide. Just don't expect to outDPS GWFs or SWs.
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  • shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    Just don't expect to outDPS GWFs or SWs.
    Whoa! what a crazy resource! Thanks for the link :smiley: . Haha I'm okay with not topping the damage chart. I really just want to succeed and be helpful and relevant, but I always liked to stay at range which is why these two classes stood out to me.
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  • shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    defiantone99 said:

    A Spellstorm Thaumaturge can put out great personal damage. Master of Flame Renegade is more for boosting the party with buffs and debuffs. Renegade also has healing for you and party members.

    Can the Master of Flame go through the leveling process well enough even though it focuses on buffs?
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  • shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    defiantone99 said:

    Yes. It is Renegade that buffs. Master of Flame is the Paragon path that uses Damage over Time and a debuff to enemies. There is no downside to using MoF or Renegade except that you will do less personal damage end-game. But, by the time you get to end-game gear, you may want to switch to SS Thaum.

    Oohhh I understand now. Does the SS Thaum also buff as well endgame, or is it more damage focused?
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  • qexoticqexotic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 841 Arc User
    ...and there is nothing stopping you from going for an SS Renegade with a bit of Oppressor thrown in to give you icy veins. The nice thing about the CW is there are several viable options...not just the two that have been mentioned :)
  • oliboypholiboyph Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    shadow2400 said:

    oliboyph said:

    SW's have the one of the highest DPS out of the range classes. CW's are very flexible, and probably more "new-player" friendly with all the solo builds available, but if you are interested on being one of the top dps in your server, SW - fury is really good.

    Can you really top dps with a single target class? Dang haha
    If you have one AoE attack that deals Millions in damage, yes :). Most would argue it is broken, but the reality is SW's deal a ton of damage very quickly, either single or AoE.
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    "As the good archmage often admonishes me, I ought not to let my mind wander, as it's too small to go off by itself." -Danilo Thann[/quote]
  • shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    qexotic said:

    ...and there is nothing stopping you from going for an SS Renegade with a bit of Oppressor thrown in to give you icy veins. The nice thing about the CW is there are several viable options...not just the two that have been mentioned :)

    So if I wanted to start down the path to SS Thaum, but still be useful to my group members I could probably split down the middle and do SS Renegade, or is that ill advised? Sometimes I know it is better to pick one or the other.
  • qexoticqexotic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 841 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    I have an SS Renegade CW because I find it a good balance between survivability, dps and usefulness to a party. As has been said, you can always respec your character if you want a change. To that end, the revamp of the campaign window recently added a new item of in-game currency in the form of 'Symbols of Savras'. These can be traded in for a variety of items, the most useful of which is a Respec Pack which gives you a Respec Token to use on the character that opens the pack. These cost 7 Symbols each. Completing all the campaigns awards a maximum of 31 Symbols. So you can earn a few 'free' respecs.

    To learn more about the possible ways to build a CW, you would be well advised to follow the earlier advice and read through sharpedges excellent all-round guide to the CW class.
  • taitinhakkaajataitinhakkaaja Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    As a hardcore sw player with cw alt, i would highly recommend cw at current state of game. SS renegade with icy veins is very good for solo/party play. Sw is only good for one thing, when there is good buffs in party and that includes that you have to use broken feats to do well.
  • shadow2400shadow2400 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    taitinhakkaaja said:

    As a hardcore sw player with cw alt, i would highly recommend cw at current state of game. SS renegade with icy veins is very good for solo/party play. Sw is only good for one thing, when there is good buffs in party and that includes that you have to use broken feats to do well.

    In your opinion the SS Ren is a good starting place? How is MOF as a spec? I've seen conflicting reports between MOF or SS being the best, and it is hard to keep it all straight.
  • taitinhakkaajataitinhakkaaja Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    I can't give good end game answer to cw, only sw. I started to play in mod6 with cw and after seeing that there was so many cw's in our guild decided to start playing sw (biggest mistake i have made in this game :smiley: )
    Here are way better cw players than me, so better to trust their comments more than mine. All i can say is ss rene with icy veins is a LOT easier and faster class to play.
  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    Keep in mind my perspective is from the pve side of things. Honestly, for your first toon, I would recommend a CW and not a SW simply because a SW relies heavily on a party for performance, where as a CW can excel on its own. Furthermore, CW is not likely to see itself rebalanced anytime soon, where as SW is in the firing line so to speak. As for which type of CW, well, it depends more on how you want to play. Let me break it down for you:

    SS Ren with Spell Twisting is seen as the "jack of all trades but master of none" build, which offers support + some dps.

    SS Thaum with Icy Veins is the pure dps CW, with no team utility, however, it has a drawback that it requires gear investment.

    MoF thaum is sort of like a tank CW, it has high durability at the cost of some damage and has little team utility.

    MoF ren CW is the team support CW, with little personal dps but high party utility.

    Either of the Oppressors are the "black sheep" of the CW side and don't perform that well, don't go that route.

    That covers the CW side of things.
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  • qexoticqexotic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 841 Arc User
    thefabricant said:

    That covers the CW side of things.

    You are much more knowledgable on the subject of CWs than I am. However, an SS Ren with Icy Veins also offers support + some dps. I view mine as a 'jack of all trades, but master of none'. I love the insta-freeze from Icy Veins which also makes it fun to play. So please don'e exclude it from the viable, available options :)

  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    qexotic said:

    thefabricant said:

    That covers the CW side of things.

    You are much more knowledgable on the subject of CWs than I am. However, an SS Ren with Icy Veins also offers support + some dps. I view mine as a 'jack of all trades, but master of none'. I love the insta-freeze from Icy Veins which also makes it fun to play. So please don'e exclude it from the viable, available options :)

    Of coarse its viable, I just dislike not having spell twisting.
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    I run side by side with a lot CW's
    Only thing i can tell is: there are different builds, but nothing seems to beat a rene- mof in terms of partybuff.
    That build triples the damageoutput of your party, sadly 90% of player seems to stick with personal damage, slowing down things significantly.
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