And I am aware you can't force people. I just wanted to vent because this happened a lot lately. Maybe one of those dps-guardians will read this and understand? Small hope!
Understand? No...... in fact I think your ego is totally out of whack to even think i should play a role to fit "Your" needs. I did not choose a Support Class - I "Chose" the DPS tree of the GF Class and never had any intention to "Tank" .....which always seemed rather odd to me why anyone would think a tank never did any damage - 120mm and 50 cal??????? So no, I don't want to be your "Meat Shield" either.
I do feel for you though...... but Blame Cryptic - they imposed the Q system not the players.
my 2 cents. Some GF and DC players play pvp too (me included) and usually that means character is build for pvp. So basically that means it's not optimal for party buffing. So why should gf build like that just tank, when he could provide buffs and still do some dps?
whack to even think i should play a role to fit "Your" needs. I did not choose a Support Class - I "Chose" the DPS tree of the GF Class and never had any intention to "Tank" .....which always seemed rather odd to me why anyone would think a tank never did any damage - 120mm and 50 cal??????? So no, I don't want to be your "Meat Shield" either.
Sounds like you got sick of being a service class also. Me too.
I chose the DPS tree of the GF because I had already invested a ton of game-time and RL$ to this toon. But I got sick of being a support[service] class. Tanking is teh suck. Bad players and nubs die and blame you. DC don't heal you and you die and you get blamed. Mobs with arm pen, crazy spike damage, lag, pets stealing agro then dying, flaky block, plain 'ole bad luck. It's all your problem. After mod 6, I had enough.
OPs are the tanks now. Have been for a while. Probably always will be. I try to squeeze as much DPS out of this build possible to do my dailies, maybe some skirms and log out. I'm not a tank, and I'm certainly not a paingiver when I do some group events with players the same IL as me.
Not unless I can convince another GF to follow me around all the time and buff me with Tide of Iron and Into the Frey so I can slot attack skills. Which is what's happening in all those OMG GF DPS IS INSANE videos. You put a GF and another DPS class next to the dummies, the GF will lose to every DPS class.
my gf conq. does better damage to dummies than my sw. Probably do so using only at-wills and itf, but if knight's challenge, itf and anvil... gf 3.4k, sw 4k+
Some players just like to troll or simply act in ridiculous manners. A GF slotting all dps encounters in a dungeon just to end up fourth in damage after the DPS classes is simply stupid. If you're not built to clear trash, will the single 5m anvil you land on Orcus (just before you wipe yourself), make you feel better as the rest of your party lies dead as well (thanks to you not tanking and doing your job)? Good for you, big hit! You're da man. Now quit the shenanigans, slot your aggro and raise your goddamn shield up so we can finish the dungeon.
Best regards, Literally everyone.
(And that's why I refuse to play with selfish a**holes who won't accept their DPS abilities are subpar due to class limitation and give into supporting their parties when the help is needed.)
Granted, if your tanking isn't needed, dps away, nobody cares. All I ask is for people to learn how to play and realize that sometimes the actual job their class is designated to IS needed. The only type of Conq GF/righteous DC I approve of is the one that's being played by good, versatile players who can tank AND heal when it's needed regardless of their spec.
greywyndMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 7,153Arc User
I am not responsible for the expectations of others due to the class I play.
I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
I am not responsible for the expectations of others due to the class I play.
No, you are not, but if you play a tank class and you DONT want to tank, run either premade or que for skirmishes/ dungeons, that dont need tanks, like VT or KR.
The que system does not know, that you play a 'DPS'-tank. It sees you as a tank and puts you into the position of the tank. Lets take CN. Aside from some tanking companions, your group cant kill the boss, if you cant/wont tank. There will not be another tank in public que, so most likely your group will fail.
You dont have to live up to other ppls expectations, but as long as the que system has no option to chose a roll (DPS GF), it is flawed and this results in runs, that most likely fail.
After that much time put in a new queue system and actually typing requirements under each instance they should have done it like a other mmo (that shall not be named) had it 10 years ago - choose your role at queue and do it if you are a dps gf good queue as dps
but as it is now gf queues - system associates him with tanking - priest mage rogue lock join the party... gg if he can not tank
i remember playing the said old mmo i always had my tanking gear in my dualwielding warrior just in case even with a good queue system.
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No, you are not, but if you play a tank class and you DONT want to tank, run either premade or que for skirmishes/ dungeons, that dont need tanks, like VT or KR.
The que system does not know, that you play a 'DPS'-tank. It sees you as a tank and puts you into the position of the tank. Lets take CN. Aside from some tanking companions, your group cant kill the boss, if you cant/wont tank. There will not be another tank in public que, so most likely your group will fail.
You dont have to live up to other ppls expectations, but as long as the que system has no option to chose a roll (DPS GF), it is flawed and this results in runs, that most likely fail.
Except that Orcus is a pure DPS fight and tanks tend to get stomped on.
Every run isn't supposed to succeed. Expecting, DEMANDING that every run succeed is also part of the problem.
I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
Allways same things to read... < 3k player with half boons and a low a level augment argue about effectiveness of classes, there is near no way to compete vs. 3xbondings so noone can tell where his class stands, competing vs. < 3k toons with legendary companions and 3xrank12 bondings. Play your class as you wish, stop complaining. In case you can't manage to tank sufficient , running a conquerer GF, stop tanking, stick with your premade/guildmates if that's what you like. Til now I met hdps player on nearly every class except DC, GF, OP ....about DC i am not sure if those DC's even exist, being able to deal high ammounts of damage vs single targets.
No, you are not, but if you play a tank class and you DONT want to tank, run either premade or que for skirmishes/ dungeons, that dont need tanks, like VT or KR.
The que system does not know, that you play a 'DPS'-tank. It sees you as a tank and puts you into the position of the tank. Lets take CN. Aside from some tanking companions, your group cant kill the boss, if you cant/wont tank. There will not be another tank in public que, so most likely your group will fail.
You dont have to live up to other ppls expectations, but as long as the que system has no option to chose a roll (DPS GF), it is flawed and this results in runs, that most likely fail.
Except that Orcus is a pure DPS fight and tanks tend to get stomped on.
Every run isn't supposed to succeed. Expecting, DEMANDING that every run succeed is also part of the problem.
There are 5 reasons a GF dies tanking Orcus. Wrong build, wrong gear, no skill, lags or fatigue. TBH I know next to nothing about GFs, I dont have practice playing a GF, but bc we needed an GF, to run premade, I looked up a build, equipped an alt, asked advice for different situations and now I can tank Orcus, somehow.
With lags I die from his one hits, after a few minutes I die from one of his one hits, bc I mess up my rotation, but it is no magic, it is doable.
Isn't the GF considered to be a striker/controller? I guess you could set up for controller/defender too. I am also pretty sure I have read somewhere that we will be getting the ability to designate what role we have when we queue.
Isn't the GF considered to be a striker/controller? I guess you could set up for controller/defender too. I am also pretty sure I have read somewhere that we will be getting the ability to designate what role we have when we queue.
It's a defender/controller. Not that control really make sense given what it's actually used for.
No, you are not, but if you play a tank class and you DONT want to tank, run either premade or que for skirmishes/ dungeons, that dont need tanks, like VT or KR.
The que system does not know, that you play a 'DPS'-tank. It sees you as a tank and puts you into the position of the tank. Lets take CN. Aside from some tanking companions, your group cant kill the boss, if you cant/wont tank. There will not be another tank in public que, so most likely your group will fail.
You dont have to live up to other ppls expectations, but as long as the que system has no option to chose a roll (DPS GF), it is flawed and this results in runs, that most likely fail.
Except that Orcus is a pure DPS fight and tanks tend to get stomped on.
Every run isn't supposed to succeed. Expecting, DEMANDING that every run succeed is also part of the problem.
There are 5 reasons a GF dies tanking Orcus. Wrong build, wrong gear, no skill, lags or fatigue. TBH I know next to nothing about GFs, I dont have practice playing a GF, but bc we needed an GF, to run premade, I looked up a build, equipped an alt, asked advice for different situations and now I can tank Orcus, somehow.
With lags I die from his one hits, after a few minutes I die from one of his one hits, bc I mess up my rotation, but it is no magic, it is doable.
Or bad DPS. If the fight drags on you will mess up eventually. I've had runs where in spite of a DC popping AS+HG on me (+45k def) and BtS on Orcus the fight still dragged on for 5+ minutes.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
THE most funny is about gf in another thread poeple complaining about fighters recovery for the healing amount while other class feat make them "good" tanks STEEL defence !
My GF is Sword master conqueror spec at 3.8k. I can do a good job at tanking, but I cannot touch a similar equipped GWF for DPS. I have all R12 bonding stones on my warlock. The pay to win companions and I can get maybe 2/3 the damage. I make new friends almost every time I run with new people so I'm not playing poorly either. Seriously I have a ton of guild leaders and officers from other guilds on my friends list and get private messages constantly from people to run with them. But I only get pain giver when I pug. And at 3.8k anyone should be a beast.
That just means you are playing with people who don't understand or care how they fit into a party. GF's and GWF's are darn near interchangeable if they both stack defense. The only real difference is GF's can control crowds and tank the really big hit better, and GWF's can strike a lot harder and dodge attacks with their speed boost.
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
Don't blame players for not living up to your expectations. Just stop expecting other people to play the way you want them to. Pug is pug.. prefab is prefab... Pug is a dice roll... prefab is preset.
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I do feel for you though...... but Blame Cryptic - they imposed the Q system not the players.
So why should gf build like that just tank, when he could provide buffs and still do some dps?
I chose the DPS tree of the GF because I had already invested a ton of game-time and RL$ to this toon.
But I got sick of being a support[service] class. Tanking is teh suck. Bad players and nubs die and blame you.
DC don't heal you and you die and you get blamed.
Mobs with arm pen, crazy spike damage, lag, pets stealing agro then dying, flaky block, plain 'ole bad luck. It's all your problem. After mod 6, I had enough.
OPs are the tanks now. Have been for a while. Probably always will be.
I try to squeeze as much DPS out of this build possible to do my dailies, maybe some skirms and log out.
I'm not a tank, and I'm certainly not a paingiver when I do some group events with players the same IL as me.
Not unless I can convince another GF to follow me around all the time and buff me with Tide of Iron and Into the Frey so I can slot attack skills.
Which is what's happening in all those OMG GF DPS IS INSANE videos.
You put a GF and another DPS class next to the dummies, the GF will lose to every DPS class.
Best regards,
Literally everyone.
(And that's why I refuse to play with selfish a**holes who won't accept their DPS abilities are subpar due to class limitation and give into supporting their parties when the help is needed.)
Granted, if your tanking isn't needed, dps away, nobody cares. All I ask is for people to learn how to play and realize that sometimes the actual job their class is designated to IS needed. The only type of Conq GF/righteous DC I approve of is the one that's being played by good, versatile players who can tank AND heal when it's needed regardless of their spec.
Peace.
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
The que system does not know, that you play a 'DPS'-tank. It sees you as a tank and puts you into the position of the tank. Lets take CN. Aside from some tanking companions, your group cant kill the boss, if you cant/wont tank. There will not be another tank in public que, so most likely your group will fail.
You dont have to live up to other ppls expectations, but as long as the que system has no option to chose a roll (DPS GF), it is flawed and this results in runs, that most likely fail.
if you are a dps gf good queue as dps
but as it is now gf queues - system associates him with tanking - priest mage rogue lock join the party... gg if he can not tank
i remember playing the said old mmo i always had my tanking gear in my dualwielding warrior just in case even with a good queue system.
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Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
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Every run isn't supposed to succeed. Expecting, DEMANDING that every run succeed is also part of the problem.
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
But if this occur on the random queue pug, i think u can't blame anyone as they didn't state they are playing support role
< 3k player with half boons and a low a level augment argue about effectiveness of classes, there is near no way to compete vs. 3xbondings so noone can tell where his class stands, competing vs. < 3k toons with legendary companions and 3xrank12 bondings.
Play your class as you wish, stop complaining.
In case you can't manage to tank sufficient , running a conquerer GF, stop tanking, stick with your premade/guildmates if that's what you like.
Til now I met hdps player on nearly every class except DC, GF, OP ....about DC i am not sure if those DC's even exist, being able to deal high ammounts of damage vs single targets.
With lags I die from his one hits, after a few minutes I die from one of his one hits, bc I mess up my rotation, but it is no magic, it is doable.
Or bad DPS. If the fight drags on you will mess up eventually. I've had runs where in spite of a DC popping AS+HG on me (+45k def) and BtS on Orcus the fight still dragged on for 5+ minutes.
Pug is pug.. prefab is prefab... Pug is a dice roll... prefab is preset.