Diminishing Returns

negusanegast

Can anyone tell me the numbers for where diminishing returns start to happen for each stat?

fluffy6977

There are none on primary stats anymore.

negusanegast

Alright cool thanks

zak3056

Secondary stats like AP gain, control bonus, control resist, etc, start kicking in at around 800.

kriptical1

Think armor pens still 59.5% on everything but epic demo, which I've read is, 'a little higher.'

ftryda

That's a good question on the secondary stats though. Anyone have more details beyond what @zak3056 mentioned?

marv1001

1000 is when your going to hit the hard cap, don't go over this as you are going to get high diminishing returns.

ftryda

So for AP gain, control bonus & resist, and which other stats? Stamina regen, movement, combat advantage?

zak3056

The MoF guide found here: http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1202467/master-of-flame-renegade-guide-burn-with-me/p1 has some stat curve info in it. The short version seems to be:

AoE Resist
Action Point Gain
Control Resist
Control Bonus
Combat Advantage Bonus
Companion Influence
Incoming Healing Bonus
Stamina Gain

ltsmithneko

Get your armor penetration to around 6.4k, or if your like me your armor penetration is around 5.1k with 55% armor resistance and you gain about 1.5k armor penetration from companions gift. As for the other things as @Zak3056 listed shouldn't be too noticeable if anything get around 1,000 in things like Combat Advantage ect. ^.^

telprydain

Can you go over the hard cap?
If so, will effects like the one on the Owlbear cub, benefit?

negusanegast

Thank you for the info. This is all for my gwf

armadeonx

telprydain said:

Can you go over the hard cap?
If so, will effects like the one on the Owlbear cub, benefit?

Nope, that's why it's called a hard cap. A soft cap has an increasing reduction in extra benefit as you go higher - a hard cap is a full stop.

I do find it funny when I see Pallys with a snail + artifacts with AP gain & even AP on jewellery sometimes, taking their AP gain to 2k+. I usually don't bother telling them though.

ltsmithneko

telprydain said:

Can you go over the hard cap?
If so, will effects like the one on the Owlbear cub, benefit?

Not for apen in Pve litterally will be a waste of stats.

thefabricant

All stats have diminishing returns with the exception of defense, its just no longer in the primary phase. For example, whilst 400 power will give 1% increase, you have to compare your new power to your old power and not your base power. Due to this, all stats have diminishing returns. Defense does not however and rather has the opposite of diminishing returns. as when you compare your new power to your old power, the amount of damage mitigated by defense gets better and better as a % of the total incoming damage the more defense you have.

kuero21

armadeonx said:

telprydain said:

Can you go over the hard cap?
If so, will effects like the one on the Owlbear cub, benefit?

Nope, that's why it's called a hard cap. A soft cap has an increasing reduction in extra benefit as you go higher - a hard cap is a full stop.

I do find it funny when I see Pallys with a snail + artifacts with AP gain & even AP on jewellery sometimes, taking their AP gain to 2k+. I usually don't bother telling them though.

As far as I know the snail effect of 25% ap gain is not affected by any soft or hard cap because it's not a usual stat, it takes effect when you make use of your daylie power. 2k ap gain is waste though, especially because ap gain does not seem to work.

wmadoss

thefabricant said:

All stats have diminishing returns with the exception of defense, its just no longer in the primary phase. For example, whilst 400 power will give 1% increase, you have to compare your new power to your old power and not your base power. Due to this, all stats have diminishing returns. Defense does not however and rather has the opposite of diminishing returns. as when you compare your new power to your old power, the amount of damage mitigated by defense gets better and better as a % of the total incoming damage the more defense you have.

Well thats not really what diminsihing returns mean.
Ofcourse an increase in power when you are all ready at 25k power will increase your DPS less (percentagewise) than if you had been at 5k power.
But 1000 power will still net you the same damage bonus regardless where youre base power is at.
Diminishing returns would have been if 1000 power would only give you 1 % damage bonus (when at base power 25k) instead of 2.5%.
The curves are linear which is the opposite of diminishing returns basically.