My bad I got your initial post totally wrong. I thought you were talking about a money refund. Makes way more sense now. Also I agree with the devalue of the class. Thanks for the clarification.
It's a gross feeling to the end of what was a really great week of this game. I've had more fun with this than any other ARPG since D2 and thats huge but after spending on something exclusive and then finding out it's not (after the fact) I feel like an idiot for wanting to support the game and unlock something dope. ZEN refunds would be nice, though regardless of the outcome it's kinda put me off wanting to spend again.
"The Dimir Assassin class unlock (and the Nightveil Stalker spell) will now also be unlocked at level 50 of both the Free and Premium Battlepass tracks, so that all players can access this class entirely through gameplay."
I just want to say thank you to those people that have posted explaining this situation. I feel better knowing they are aware of the problem. I never post on forums, but I felt I had to say something. After spending $400 to open packs only to make the assassin free just seemed wrong. On a positive note, I’m enjoying the game in spite of its flaws. I have always seen Magic cards at the comic stores, but never tried it. I’m excited to experience Magic on a platform I’m familiar...ARPG video game.
I can kinda of see where they're going with this, seeing as each battlepass will probably have it's own rewards. That still makes the assassin a relatively limited class. It allows people to wallet their way past the grind for the classes.. while also getting several exclusive shinies along the way. (I do think it's a bit of a bad development time return for classes to be limited to only the boosters where only a handful of players will have access to the mechanics.)
Personally, as someone who does not have (interest in) the class, I think they should leave the Assassin as a booster-exclusive thing and implement these changes for the next pack/BP. Additionally, they should probably have 2 exclusive skins - one for the booster; one for the BP. Maybe include the Assassin in a rerun BP months/years down the road or something.
Yup, Dimir lootbox works exactly the in same way as the (sh**) lootbox in PoE for the new league cosmetics gears.
You know you pay to get it now and you can sell for golds things, imagine getting 1+ million gold, for a f2p it could take many month to get them, so a very slow ilv progression.
In POE the cosmetics are available 1 month after the Mystery Boxes go away. Players pay for 4 months (an entire league plus 1 month) of exclusive cosmetic effects. In POE every single loot box has a 4-month exclusive item in it. After 4 months, the item goes to the cosmetics shop where it costs RL currency still (and quite a lot of it). There is no way to obtain Mystery Box items for free in POE. If there WERE a way to get mystery box items for free I wouldn't ever buy them because I'm patient enough to wait 4 months for free wings.
In Magic Legends, yes we all knew (or should have known from previous dev comments) that the Assassin would be available to everyone eventually. IDK about the free eventually part that Skyeborne said a few posts up, I guess I missed whatever post the devs made previously that said that (since the devs scatter information to the 4-winds on various platforms it's sort of difficult for any given player to know and have seen them all). I certainly didn't see anything about free in any of the Developer Blog posts. What I DID see were several mentions about selling us additional Planeswalker classes eventually.
Personally, I assumed the Assassin would be a cash unlock in the future like literally every other game with time-limited exclusives. Right now you would have to play for months AND buy premium to actually reach 50 in the Battle Pass. However, the devs have made comments about changing that (though we don't know what form it will take or how fast it will speed things up). IF I AT ALL thought it would be FREE in the future, I would not have dumped cash into getting it.
TLDR: Spend now VS spend later is not the same as spend now vs free later.
I can understand the personal dissapointement for people who jumped in the gambling packs just to get the assassin and now seeing there will be another way to get it that does not involve gambling. It however is not going to be free for anyone. It will take a lot time and effort to reach lvl 50 on the battlepass.
Overall the change is good. Locking gameplay impacting content behind gambling was disgusting. This game can be better than to use tactics like that. In a way everyone who gambled for the dimir assassin are "victims" to these tactics. And I hope those who did try their luck can understand that.
So having some real way to get it that isn't gambling is amazing change. This is how they should have considered the class unlocks to begin with. Also they reacted relatively fast to it so that shows they do read feedback and take it seriously.
I did open a few packs too but not too many and didn't get anything special from them. That was enough to convince me that the packs aren't worth my money. In the end I do simply prefer options where I truly know what I am buying.
Well, no one forced anyone to buy anything, period. Refund? No! Would it be fair to go to a casino and put down money on a table, lose it all and then ask for a refund because YOU didn't win?! Get real people!
Again, they didn't say "HEY YOU MUST BUY PACKS AND GAMBLE YOUR MONEY, EVEN IF YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT". If YOU chose to buy packs then you should have read thoroughly about what to expect or what you would / could or MIGHT get! It's not anyone's fault but YOURS for gambling.
Same thing with MTG card packs, you have absolutely no idea what you'll get until you buy them and open them. So dumb that you actually believe you're "entitled" for a refund. I guess everyone whining about this don't know the meaning of the word "legit". The claim(s) must be Legit in order to receive a refund, dummies!
First of all, NO! I am not sitting here for an hour reading through this toxic forum where everyone is whining and crying about spending money that they chose to spend! I didn't have to read them all to figure out that after the first post (YOURS) where this was going. However, I did read YOUR post and I am still trying to figure out this reply to my post.
Nope, still doesn't make any sense to me.
What does me telling "YOU" and everyone else who spent money on gambling have to do with you attempting to use the "legit" word in a reply to me? I was stating that in order for "YOU" or anyone else wanting a refund that the claim(s) would have to be legit, which "YOURS" isn't. You're whining because you spent money to gamble instead of waiting or paying attention to the forums. I LEGIT read through them BEFORE I spent money to gamble and realized that so many people were complaining that they were talking about changing it. You're clearly mad at the wrong people here! Be mad at YOURSELF, not someone clearly calling you out on something that YOU decided to do with very little research!
Again, you or anyone else that gambled beforehand do NOT have a legitimate claim. You got exactly what you paid for, did you not?!
We gambled for an exclusive item that was switched to free content (with a grind of course) , I am not gonna copy paste things I already stated. I am not mad at anyone, if you read through this thread you might see where some of use are coming from.. there are no "claims" , just opinions and facts in a series of unfortunate events. You have drawn your conclusion with assumptions, based on "NO I am not sitting here for an hour reading through this toxic forum.." As tempted as I am to bait this into an argument, you are entitled to that opinion. Your Opinion! As I am mine, take it as a grain of salt... like I did yours. <3
Ok, I clearly see that you cannot read between the lines, so I will dumb this down as much as I can.
They state that you get X amount of items in this card pack for $3.00 each, Right?
You get X amount of items per pack that you open until you spent a total of $210.00, Right?
Now that you got X amount of items and not the ONE item that you wanted, you want a refund, RIGHT?
The ONLY way that you are entitled to a refund is:
1) You didn't receive ANY item in the pack(s) that you bought.
2) If they ban your account permanently being you obtained items for the $210.00 that you spent.
They're not going to give you a refund and you keep the items you already obtained, period. Do you think that is fair?!
You gambled, you lost! This is not opinions, this is facts! You can't go buy $210.00 worth of MTG cards and want a refund because you didn't get the one card that you were after.
Because people value what they pay for. It is like winning a stack of chips at the casino, only to find out the chips are worth $0. People pay for premium content services because it’s either A. convenient or B. exclusive. Payed content , whether gambling at a casino, or on a loot box in a game provides value for your money. When the "loot" whether is a chance at a million dollars, winning the lottery, or a Dmir Assassin there is value in that. When the decision was made to make the Assassin available for free, you take the exclusive nature and point of the gamble in the first place awat. What content do you pay for that you could technically get free elsewhere? .... think about it. See.. some of us are willing to pay for content to improve our experience, to have something exclusive (or viewed as value), and support a community we care about. Please note, no where in any of this post or previous post have I stated I want my ACTUAL real money refunded. I WANT to support the game, I LOVE MTG, I am a huge fan. But I want my hard earned money to feel like it was spent on something of value... a chance has value... I saw value in the Dmir Assassin, and if it was kept behind a gambling loot box paywall of exclusivity, I would have never made this post to begin with. It is free now, free with effort if you will. I find that a hard pill to swallow. I will always be a sucker for cosmetics, DLC's, and pay for convenience features when I see value in it. Agree or disagree with me, it does not really matter, we are all human individuals. I still will feel the way I feel.
*** Money isn't the point, we paid for a product that was devalued. Dumb it down all you want, your the only toxic thing I see on this forums.. so I can't argue with stupid. Have a good one! See ya on the plains
Yeah I have to agree with cryosalt, most people were saying that the only reason to buy the boosters basically is just that, the Dimir Assassin. A much better way of approaching this would be like making an announcement like we will never lock a champion behind a paywall in a similar way again OR offer up some form of pity timer and also give some form of compensation to people who bought the packs. That said they probably should have something worth buying in the store for $220 for those who want to be supportive, that's only just business logic, but it is tricky to find the balance between something that is too valuable to be locked away for exclusivity and something that is not valuable enough to want.
Umm they called it the "grand prize" and with that, a sense of exclusiveness maybe?. People gambled for the grand prize, not for the "silver" or "gold" tier prizes. After xx days when so many people spent money, they go ahead and give the grand prize away. Most are angry not because they didnt get the grand prize but actually because they did get the grand prize through their earned money. They are angry now because the grand prize is being given away for free. Surely you see something wrong with that act of giving away something right after others paid for it?
Also, when you respond to a post, at least maybe have the courtesy to read through the relevant posts instead of resorting to attacking someone without even knowing where they are coming from.
Ok, I cannot win an argument with stupidity, I see that now so this will be my last post on this topic.
Yes, I see why people are whining and crying and complaining about this, however it's called GAMBLING people. All you had to do is friggin wait and see where it goes or what changes, this is BETA ffs!
I have read and I have seen what people are saying, you say that I am "attacking" people? Are you serious?! Dude, I am just clearly stating facts here, it's not my fault that the ones who gambled can't handle the facts. You can't possible say that you didn't realize the risk in buying card packs that MIGHT have the "grand prize" and then get mad because you didn't get it.
Again, you DID get items and prizes, just not the grand prize. Just because they decided to change up the "Grand Prize" isn't their fault that everyone jumped the gun and bought packs.
Can you not see that you cannot get a refund because that would break the game economy?! Most people sold all the items to the broker and now have MILLIONS of gold! I am just pointing out that it's YOUR own fault that you gambled is all, which it is.
Please research what "Gambling" means and what the consequences are. You took that risk and it didn't pay off, you CHOSE to spend YOUR money on packs that might NOT have the item you wanted, period.
Educate yourselves and don't blame anyone else for your own stupidity. I say you should double down and after that sell your house / car and head to Vegas!!
You are not attacking people? Let's see, in just your post above: you start by calling people stupid, deny it and call it stating "facts" then tell them to educate themselves and again call them stupid just because they have a different view from your own. Ok :p Clearly it is you who can't seem to see the point and maybe reading comprehension is not your strong point. You hint that you see a lot of "toxicity" in the forum. You know the saying right? If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.
First of all, its good to see that Cryptic have replied to this thread and said they are talking about compensation. Its important. This isn't like its the first loot box they ever dropped into a game, this stuff has been going for a while in Neverwinter and STO.
However it is the first time that they have ever made something free that people paid a lot of money gambling to win beforehand. They need to seriously think carefully about how they address this. Beta features are one thing, but paid features in a beta are another.
Ill be honest, I have been spending money and winning rare items from loot boxes in Cryptic games for a while. Mainly in Star Trek Online. I played STO since it launched. I am loving MagicL now, as always with Cryptic games the gameplay loop is fun and engaging. Which was why i was happy to have a gamble for the Dimir Assassin.
Having won one only yesterday, i now feel deeply taken advantage of that i need not have spent so much money to earn it. Earning it through grinding gold and buying it from the broker is one thing, i would never have the time to manage that. Now though simply reaching L50 on a battle pass is something entirely different and very achievable.
I hope Cryptic find a way to refund people who paid in at this stage, as lets be honest, the only reason they did was to win the thing which is now free. Otherwise, the people that normally part with their cash on occasion, will be far more reluctant to do so.
Lastly, anyone who hates on people for spending money on loot boxes, needs to take a long look in the mirror. Yes i might gamble on loot boxes but i am also middle aged, work full time and have done all my life. If i have the disposable income to put into my hobby then there is nothing wrong with that. The only time its an issue is if you don't have the disposable income and you gamble anyway.
I suspect all the people being spiteful to people who spent money here simply don't have the disposable income. Maybe they are young and work low paid jobs or maybe they just don't work. Either way, its just life.
The assassins only free if you complete the battle pass. Which looks like it's going to take a lot of time. Which is fine.
But come on my guy. The game was even out for a week and you spent $200 and everyone's been saying it but it's still an open beta. Thank you for your enthusiastic support for the dev team but asking for a refund, partial and or full, and a system that clearly explained that it was a chance to get it is silly and is not how gambling and/or economics work. You made a conscious decision because you really wanted to take that chance to get something.
I'm a full-grown adult now with a kid but I still remember the time where I could stay out of play all day. And I have once, only once, have paid over $200 on a beta called age of wushu , now call project z. It was an amazing ambitious idea that had actual Kung fu combos and movement and fighting and boy was it fun. But eventually had to fall out with the game and though I regret spending that much money on a beta, I took my L and learned my lesson.
Though the clear differences is time and money and the game being actually out, A lot of times games that you bought for 60, $70 will either be majorly discounted or free in the future. We don't tend to ask for refunds on these cuz that's how it works.
If by some miracle that this company decides to give you back your money that day depend on to pay their employees or improve their game or feed their families, they cool I guess.
But in the future, when a game so plainly spells out that this item is a gambling item and there's a chance you're not going to get it, and you go ahead and pull real cash out to give them to buy their currency to hope you get something then that's on you my dude.
Your best bet is to now not pay for anything for the next 6-10months So at least you can look back and be like " hey I paid $10 a month for this game." But in the meantime just turn your Aether into Zenni if you want anything any in game store.
Ok, I cannot win an argument with stupidity, I see that now so this will be my last post on this topic.
Yes, I see why people are whining and crying and complaining about this, however it's called GAMBLING people. All you had to do is friggin wait and see where it goes or what changes, this is BETA ffs!
I have read and I have seen what people are saying, you say that I am "attacking" people? Are you serious?! Dude, I am just clearly stating facts here, it's not my fault that the ones who gambled can't handle the facts. You can't possible say that you didn't realize the risk in buying card packs that MIGHT have the "grand prize" and then get mad because you didn't get it.
Again, you DID get items and prizes, just not the grand prize. Just because they decided to change up the "Grand Prize" isn't their fault that everyone jumped the gun and bought packs.
Can you not see that you cannot get a refund because that would break the game economy?! Most people sold all the items to the broker and now have MILLIONS of gold! I am just pointing out that it's YOUR own fault that you gambled is all, which it is.
Please research what "Gambling" means and what the consequences are. You took that risk and it didn't pay off, you CHOSE to spend YOUR money on packs that might NOT have the item you wanted, period.
Educate yourselves and don't blame anyone else for your own stupidity. I say you should double down and after that sell your house / car and head to Vegas!!
Vegas doesn't show you a car that you can gamble for and is exclusive to people that spend money
and then you proceed to spend money trying to get the car.
but the next day the car is free? what the fck kinda vegas are you going to buddy?
Same thoughts here, I live in a third world country, and 100 dollars is worth a lot here, not even with 100 dollars I was able to get the item, only to be told later that it would be free.
The feeling is the same, I would like to help the game grow, but I feel very hurt to have spent more than 100 dollars and still not have the prize that will be given for free.
Here look Pal, you are missing the entire point. I do not know why you are so triggered , it isn't gambling when the decision was made to switch Dmir Assassin to free... then it becomes a product, a product which has been devalued. Had it been kept behind a gambling pay wall.. I would have 0 issues, other than butthurt I didn't get it, and I would have kept doubling, tripling, down till I got it. As stated a million times above, it is not about the money , it is only consumer, seller, product. No where in any post have i said or do I want a IRL cash money refund, an in game Zen currency refund is entirely in the realm of appropriate response, or some other form of compensation. I think it is best if we agree to disagree. Honestly I am not losing any sleep over this :) I respect your opinion.
75% BACK NOT IN ZEN IN REAL MONEY! Thats fair in my opinion, i payed 90 Euros for some items i dont need, what we gain from that money? , are you guys living on another Planet, this Game is a BIG BIG Scam and they earned a prision for that. In My Opinion its theft what they do with me. Nothing else. We all Love Magic but we wont believe that assasins are taking money from us. This is not Magic! or is Magic? hmmmm. Very Magic!
35x Booster Packs no Dimir, 80 Euros on what Planet i living? is a starter Class, how to get now the 3th starter without Dimir, in Twich ppl are Lvl 180 now, i Playing 8 Hours a Day atm and im lvl 47, dont have the mats for the third class, is impossible to get need ilvl 700 for 150 chromo Mana to unlock, i feel underpowered like a little idiot with much euros i spend to be high on that Game because i like Rpg´s and Magic. You wont know what all the ppl are thinking about the devs in reality, you won´t know that.
Why i Playing this Game? i dont know i love Magic... OMG! Dont will give more Money when they dont refund me Min 50% in Euros.
Ahh and another thing, without dimir you cant reach lvl 700 ilvl fast enough to be high like another ppl with dimir because you need chromo mana to unlock more classes, master dungeons with ilvl 700, you cant get the mats to unlock the other classes, i have 70 exp scrolls in my inventory i dont know for what, they are 10x faster because they got dimir. Thats a Joke. I played 8 hours per day since day one im lvl 47 without dimir they are lvl 180+ right now, WTF EXP scrolls!!!!!!!Useless Booster Packs except Artefact and some upper Materials.
It is simple business. I am reading a lot of toxic responses stating that people who spent money should stop crying because they willing spent money. Well, yes they did. On an EXCLUSIVE product. Argue that well you could have purchased off the Broker? Sure. After a ton of grinding only for the class.
The easiest way to explain is if you go out and buy a car. Nice sports car or whatever your flavor is. Then after you spend the money, they hand you a bicycle instead. It is that simple. The product purchased change significantly after purchase, meaning an exclusive item was made common. I bet if the dealership told you that you willing spent money it wouldnt make it right would it?
Is the change good? Absolutely. But money makes the world go round. good deeds and feelings wont feed the dev families. A monetary refund is unreasonable. But a zen refund is not. It cost nothing. A sign of good faith to those that are basically supporting a game many get for free. If not, well I seriously doubt there will be many more large purchases in the future. How do you think that bodes for the future of the game?
"Gambling" or not, people purchased the packs under the belief that the Dimir Rogue would be exclusive to the boosters. I, for one, would not have bought boosters if not for that fact. On top of it now being free, those of us with the class unlocked already essentially get one few reward from the reward track. Some sort of compensation or alternative reward at 50 would be reasonable for those who have already unlocked the class.
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My bad I got your initial post totally wrong. I thought you were talking about a money refund. Makes way more sense now. Also I agree with the devalue of the class. Thanks for the clarification.
It's a gross feeling to the end of what was a really great week of this game. I've had more fun with this than any other ARPG since D2 and thats huge but after spending on something exclusive and then finding out it's not (after the fact) I feel like an idiot for wanting to support the game and unlock something dope. ZEN refunds would be nice, though regardless of the outcome it's kinda put me off wanting to spend again.
Where is it free at? Feel like I missed some sort of post and I tried digging around some.
Official Update: https://www.playmagiclegends.com/en/news-article/11486153
"The Dimir Assassin class unlock (and the Nightveil Stalker spell) will now also be unlocked at level 50 of both the Free and Premium Battlepass tracks, so that all players can access this class entirely through gameplay."
Oh, snap. Sweet.
I just want to say thank you to those people that have posted explaining this situation. I feel better knowing they are aware of the problem. I never post on forums, but I felt I had to say something. After spending $400 to open packs only to make the assassin free just seemed wrong. On a positive note, I’m enjoying the game in spite of its flaws. I have always seen Magic cards at the comic stores, but never tried it. I’m excited to experience Magic on a platform I’m familiar...ARPG video game.
that’s where I’m at.
I can kinda of see where they're going with this, seeing as each battlepass will probably have it's own rewards. That still makes the assassin a relatively limited class. It allows people to wallet their way past the grind for the classes.. while also getting several exclusive shinies along the way. (I do think it's a bit of a bad development time return for classes to be limited to only the boosters where only a handful of players will have access to the mechanics.)
Personally, as someone who does not have (interest in) the class, I think they should leave the Assassin as a booster-exclusive thing and implement these changes for the next pack/BP. Additionally, they should probably have 2 exclusive skins - one for the booster; one for the BP. Maybe include the Assassin in a rerun BP months/years down the road or something.
Yup, Dimir lootbox works exactly the in same way as the (sh**) lootbox in PoE for the new league cosmetics gears.
You know you pay to get it now and you can sell for golds things, imagine getting 1+ million gold, for a f2p it could take many month to get them, so a very slow ilv progression.
In POE the cosmetics are available 1 month after the Mystery Boxes go away. Players pay for 4 months (an entire league plus 1 month) of exclusive cosmetic effects. In POE every single loot box has a 4-month exclusive item in it. After 4 months, the item goes to the cosmetics shop where it costs RL currency still (and quite a lot of it). There is no way to obtain Mystery Box items for free in POE. If there WERE a way to get mystery box items for free I wouldn't ever buy them because I'm patient enough to wait 4 months for free wings.
In Magic Legends, yes we all knew (or should have known from previous dev comments) that the Assassin would be available to everyone eventually. IDK about the free eventually part that Skyeborne said a few posts up, I guess I missed whatever post the devs made previously that said that (since the devs scatter information to the 4-winds on various platforms it's sort of difficult for any given player to know and have seen them all). I certainly didn't see anything about free in any of the Developer Blog posts. What I DID see were several mentions about selling us additional Planeswalker classes eventually.
Personally, I assumed the Assassin would be a cash unlock in the future like literally every other game with time-limited exclusives. Right now you would have to play for months AND buy premium to actually reach 50 in the Battle Pass. However, the devs have made comments about changing that (though we don't know what form it will take or how fast it will speed things up). IF I AT ALL thought it would be FREE in the future, I would not have dumped cash into getting it.
TLDR: Spend now VS spend later is not the same as spend now vs free later.
I can understand the personal dissapointement for people who jumped in the gambling packs just to get the assassin and now seeing there will be another way to get it that does not involve gambling. It however is not going to be free for anyone. It will take a lot time and effort to reach lvl 50 on the battlepass.
Overall the change is good. Locking gameplay impacting content behind gambling was disgusting. This game can be better than to use tactics like that. In a way everyone who gambled for the dimir assassin are "victims" to these tactics. And I hope those who did try their luck can understand that.
So having some real way to get it that isn't gambling is amazing change. This is how they should have considered the class unlocks to begin with. Also they reacted relatively fast to it so that shows they do read feedback and take it seriously.
I did open a few packs too but not too many and didn't get anything special from them. That was enough to convince me that the packs aren't worth my money. In the end I do simply prefer options where I truly know what I am buying.
Well, no one forced anyone to buy anything, period. Refund? No! Would it be fair to go to a casino and put down money on a table, lose it all and then ask for a refund because YOU didn't win?! Get real people!
Again, they didn't say "HEY YOU MUST BUY PACKS AND GAMBLE YOUR MONEY, EVEN IF YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT". If YOU chose to buy packs then you should have read thoroughly about what to expect or what you would / could or MIGHT get! It's not anyone's fault but YOURS for gambling.
Same thing with MTG card packs, you have absolutely no idea what you'll get until you buy them and open them. So dumb that you actually believe you're "entitled" for a refund. I guess everyone whining about this don't know the meaning of the word "legit". The claim(s) must be Legit in order to receive a refund, dummies!
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I believe you LEGIT did not read through this post. Did I use the word correctly?
First of all, NO! I am not sitting here for an hour reading through this toxic forum where everyone is whining and crying about spending money that they chose to spend! I didn't have to read them all to figure out that after the first post (YOURS) where this was going. However, I did read YOUR post and I am still trying to figure out this reply to my post.
Nope, still doesn't make any sense to me.
What does me telling "YOU" and everyone else who spent money on gambling have to do with you attempting to use the "legit" word in a reply to me? I was stating that in order for "YOU" or anyone else wanting a refund that the claim(s) would have to be legit, which "YOURS" isn't. You're whining because you spent money to gamble instead of waiting or paying attention to the forums. I LEGIT read through them BEFORE I spent money to gamble and realized that so many people were complaining that they were talking about changing it. You're clearly mad at the wrong people here! Be mad at YOURSELF, not someone clearly calling you out on something that YOU decided to do with very little research!
Again, you or anyone else that gambled beforehand do NOT have a legitimate claim. You got exactly what you paid for, did you not?!
We gambled for an exclusive item that was switched to free content (with a grind of course) , I am not gonna copy paste things I already stated. I am not mad at anyone, if you read through this thread you might see where some of use are coming from.. there are no "claims" , just opinions and facts in a series of unfortunate events. You have drawn your conclusion with assumptions, based on "NO I am not sitting here for an hour reading through this toxic forum.." As tempted as I am to bait this into an argument, you are entitled to that opinion. Your Opinion! As I am mine, take it as a grain of salt... like I did yours. <3
Ok, I clearly see that you cannot read between the lines, so I will dumb this down as much as I can.
They state that you get X amount of items in this card pack for $3.00 each, Right?
You get X amount of items per pack that you open until you spent a total of $210.00, Right?
Now that you got X amount of items and not the ONE item that you wanted, you want a refund, RIGHT?
The ONLY way that you are entitled to a refund is:
1) You didn't receive ANY item in the pack(s) that you bought.
2) If they ban your account permanently being you obtained items for the $210.00 that you spent.
They're not going to give you a refund and you keep the items you already obtained, period. Do you think that is fair?!
You gambled, you lost! This is not opinions, this is facts! You can't go buy $210.00 worth of MTG cards and want a refund because you didn't get the one card that you were after.
Here I can try to explain it like this...
Because people value what they pay for. It is like winning a stack of chips at the casino, only to find out the chips are worth $0. People pay for premium content services because it’s either A. convenient or B. exclusive. Payed content , whether gambling at a casino, or on a loot box in a game provides value for your money. When the "loot" whether is a chance at a million dollars, winning the lottery, or a Dmir Assassin there is value in that. When the decision was made to make the Assassin available for free, you take the exclusive nature and point of the gamble in the first place awat. What content do you pay for that you could technically get free elsewhere? .... think about it. See.. some of us are willing to pay for content to improve our experience, to have something exclusive (or viewed as value), and support a community we care about. Please note, no where in any of this post or previous post have I stated I want my ACTUAL real money refunded. I WANT to support the game, I LOVE MTG, I am a huge fan. But I want my hard earned money to feel like it was spent on something of value... a chance has value... I saw value in the Dmir Assassin, and if it was kept behind a gambling loot box paywall of exclusivity, I would have never made this post to begin with. It is free now, free with effort if you will. I find that a hard pill to swallow. I will always be a sucker for cosmetics, DLC's, and pay for convenience features when I see value in it. Agree or disagree with me, it does not really matter, we are all human individuals. I still will feel the way I feel.
*** Money isn't the point, we paid for a product that was devalued. Dumb it down all you want, your the only toxic thing I see on this forums.. so I can't argue with stupid. Have a good one! See ya on the plains
Yeah I have to agree with cryosalt, most people were saying that the only reason to buy the boosters basically is just that, the Dimir Assassin. A much better way of approaching this would be like making an announcement like we will never lock a champion behind a paywall in a similar way again OR offer up some form of pity timer and also give some form of compensation to people who bought the packs. That said they probably should have something worth buying in the store for $220 for those who want to be supportive, that's only just business logic, but it is tricky to find the balance between something that is too valuable to be locked away for exclusivity and something that is not valuable enough to want.
Umm they called it the "grand prize" and with that, a sense of exclusiveness maybe?. People gambled for the grand prize, not for the "silver" or "gold" tier prizes. After xx days when so many people spent money, they go ahead and give the grand prize away. Most are angry not because they didnt get the grand prize but actually because they did get the grand prize through their earned money. They are angry now because the grand prize is being given away for free. Surely you see something wrong with that act of giving away something right after others paid for it?
Also, when you respond to a post, at least maybe have the courtesy to read through the relevant posts instead of resorting to attacking someone without even knowing where they are coming from.
Ok, I cannot win an argument with stupidity, I see that now so this will be my last post on this topic.
Yes, I see why people are whining and crying and complaining about this, however it's called GAMBLING people. All you had to do is friggin wait and see where it goes or what changes, this is BETA ffs!
I have read and I have seen what people are saying, you say that I am "attacking" people? Are you serious?! Dude, I am just clearly stating facts here, it's not my fault that the ones who gambled can't handle the facts. You can't possible say that you didn't realize the risk in buying card packs that MIGHT have the "grand prize" and then get mad because you didn't get it.
Again, you DID get items and prizes, just not the grand prize. Just because they decided to change up the "Grand Prize" isn't their fault that everyone jumped the gun and bought packs.
Can you not see that you cannot get a refund because that would break the game economy?! Most people sold all the items to the broker and now have MILLIONS of gold! I am just pointing out that it's YOUR own fault that you gambled is all, which it is.
Please research what "Gambling" means and what the consequences are. You took that risk and it didn't pay off, you CHOSE to spend YOUR money on packs that might NOT have the item you wanted, period.
Educate yourselves and don't blame anyone else for your own stupidity. I say you should double down and after that sell your house / car and head to Vegas!!
You are not attacking people? Let's see, in just your post above: you start by calling people stupid, deny it and call it stating "facts" then tell them to educate themselves and again call them stupid just because they have a different view from your own. Ok :p Clearly it is you who can't seem to see the point and maybe reading comprehension is not your strong point. You hint that you see a lot of "toxicity" in the forum. You know the saying right? If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.
First of all, its good to see that Cryptic have replied to this thread and said they are talking about compensation. Its important. This isn't like its the first loot box they ever dropped into a game, this stuff has been going for a while in Neverwinter and STO.
However it is the first time that they have ever made something free that people paid a lot of money gambling to win beforehand. They need to seriously think carefully about how they address this. Beta features are one thing, but paid features in a beta are another.
Ill be honest, I have been spending money and winning rare items from loot boxes in Cryptic games for a while. Mainly in Star Trek Online. I played STO since it launched. I am loving MagicL now, as always with Cryptic games the gameplay loop is fun and engaging. Which was why i was happy to have a gamble for the Dimir Assassin.
Having won one only yesterday, i now feel deeply taken advantage of that i need not have spent so much money to earn it. Earning it through grinding gold and buying it from the broker is one thing, i would never have the time to manage that. Now though simply reaching L50 on a battle pass is something entirely different and very achievable.
I hope Cryptic find a way to refund people who paid in at this stage, as lets be honest, the only reason they did was to win the thing which is now free. Otherwise, the people that normally part with their cash on occasion, will be far more reluctant to do so.
Lastly, anyone who hates on people for spending money on loot boxes, needs to take a long look in the mirror. Yes i might gamble on loot boxes but i am also middle aged, work full time and have done all my life. If i have the disposable income to put into my hobby then there is nothing wrong with that. The only time its an issue is if you don't have the disposable income and you gamble anyway.
I suspect all the people being spiteful to people who spent money here simply don't have the disposable income. Maybe they are young and work low paid jobs or maybe they just don't work. Either way, its just life.
Be nicer to each other.
They dont need support they are fully developed studio. Just wait for release and than maybe throw in money...
The assassins only free if you complete the battle pass. Which looks like it's going to take a lot of time. Which is fine.
But come on my guy. The game was even out for a week and you spent $200 and everyone's been saying it but it's still an open beta. Thank you for your enthusiastic support for the dev team but asking for a refund, partial and or full, and a system that clearly explained that it was a chance to get it is silly and is not how gambling and/or economics work. You made a conscious decision because you really wanted to take that chance to get something.
I'm a full-grown adult now with a kid but I still remember the time where I could stay out of play all day. And I have once, only once, have paid over $200 on a beta called age of wushu , now call project z. It was an amazing ambitious idea that had actual Kung fu combos and movement and fighting and boy was it fun. But eventually had to fall out with the game and though I regret spending that much money on a beta, I took my L and learned my lesson.
Though the clear differences is time and money and the game being actually out, A lot of times games that you bought for 60, $70 will either be majorly discounted or free in the future. We don't tend to ask for refunds on these cuz that's how it works.
If by some miracle that this company decides to give you back your money that day depend on to pay their employees or improve their game or feed their families, they cool I guess.
But in the future, when a game so plainly spells out that this item is a gambling item and there's a chance you're not going to get it, and you go ahead and pull real cash out to give them to buy their currency to hope you get something then that's on you my dude.
Your best bet is to now not pay for anything for the next 6-10months So at least you can look back and be like " hey I paid $10 a month for this game." But in the meantime just turn your Aether into Zenni if you want anything any in game store.
Ok, I cannot win an argument with stupidity, I see that now so this will be my last post on this topic.
Yes, I see why people are whining and crying and complaining about this, however it's called GAMBLING people. All you had to do is friggin wait and see where it goes or what changes, this is BETA ffs!
I have read and I have seen what people are saying, you say that I am "attacking" people? Are you serious?! Dude, I am just clearly stating facts here, it's not my fault that the ones who gambled can't handle the facts. You can't possible say that you didn't realize the risk in buying card packs that MIGHT have the "grand prize" and then get mad because you didn't get it.
Again, you DID get items and prizes, just not the grand prize. Just because they decided to change up the "Grand Prize" isn't their fault that everyone jumped the gun and bought packs.
Can you not see that you cannot get a refund because that would break the game economy?! Most people sold all the items to the broker and now have MILLIONS of gold! I am just pointing out that it's YOUR own fault that you gambled is all, which it is.
Please research what "Gambling" means and what the consequences are. You took that risk and it didn't pay off, you CHOSE to spend YOUR money on packs that might NOT have the item you wanted, period.
Educate yourselves and don't blame anyone else for your own stupidity. I say you should double down and after that sell your house / car and head to Vegas!!
Vegas doesn't show you a car that you can gamble for and is exclusive to people that spend money
and then you proceed to spend money trying to get the car.
but the next day the car is free? what the fck kinda vegas are you going to buddy?
Same thoughts here, I live in a third world country, and 100 dollars is worth a lot here, not even with 100 dollars I was able to get the item, only to be told later that it would be free.
The feeling is the same, I would like to help the game grow, but I feel very hurt to have spent more than 100 dollars and still not have the prize that will be given for free.
Here look Pal, you are missing the entire point. I do not know why you are so triggered , it isn't gambling when the decision was made to switch Dmir Assassin to free... then it becomes a product, a product which has been devalued. Had it been kept behind a gambling pay wall.. I would have 0 issues, other than butthurt I didn't get it, and I would have kept doubling, tripling, down till I got it. As stated a million times above, it is not about the money , it is only consumer, seller, product. No where in any post have i said or do I want a IRL cash money refund, an in game Zen currency refund is entirely in the realm of appropriate response, or some other form of compensation. I think it is best if we agree to disagree. Honestly I am not losing any sleep over this :) I respect your opinion.
75% BACK NOT IN ZEN IN REAL MONEY! Thats fair in my opinion, i payed 90 Euros for some items i dont need, what we gain from that money? , are you guys living on another Planet, this Game is a BIG BIG Scam and they earned a prision for that. In My Opinion its theft what they do with me. Nothing else. We all Love Magic but we wont believe that assasins are taking money from us. This is not Magic! or is Magic? hmmmm. Very Magic!
35x Booster Packs no Dimir, 80 Euros on what Planet i living? is a starter Class, how to get now the 3th starter without Dimir, in Twich ppl are Lvl 180 now, i Playing 8 Hours a Day atm and im lvl 47, dont have the mats for the third class, is impossible to get need ilvl 700 for 150 chromo Mana to unlock, i feel underpowered like a little idiot with much euros i spend to be high on that Game because i like Rpg´s and Magic. You wont know what all the ppl are thinking about the devs in reality, you won´t know that.
Why i Playing this Game? i dont know i love Magic... OMG! Dont will give more Money when they dont refund me Min 50% in Euros.
Ahh and another thing, without dimir you cant reach lvl 700 ilvl fast enough to be high like another ppl with dimir because you need chromo mana to unlock more classes, master dungeons with ilvl 700, you cant get the mats to unlock the other classes, i have 70 exp scrolls in my inventory i dont know for what, they are 10x faster because they got dimir. Thats a Joke. I played 8 hours per day since day one im lvl 47 without dimir they are lvl 180+ right now, WTF EXP scrolls!!!!!!!Useless Booster Packs except Artefact and some upper Materials.
It is simple business. I am reading a lot of toxic responses stating that people who spent money should stop crying because they willing spent money. Well, yes they did. On an EXCLUSIVE product. Argue that well you could have purchased off the Broker? Sure. After a ton of grinding only for the class.
The easiest way to explain is if you go out and buy a car. Nice sports car or whatever your flavor is. Then after you spend the money, they hand you a bicycle instead. It is that simple. The product purchased change significantly after purchase, meaning an exclusive item was made common. I bet if the dealership told you that you willing spent money it wouldnt make it right would it?
Is the change good? Absolutely. But money makes the world go round. good deeds and feelings wont feed the dev families. A monetary refund is unreasonable. But a zen refund is not. It cost nothing. A sign of good faith to those that are basically supporting a game many get for free. If not, well I seriously doubt there will be many more large purchases in the future. How do you think that bodes for the future of the game?
"Gambling" or not, people purchased the packs under the belief that the Dimir Rogue would be exclusive to the boosters. I, for one, would not have bought boosters if not for that fact. On top of it now being free, those of us with the class unlocked already essentially get one few reward from the reward track. Some sort of compensation or alternative reward at 50 would be reasonable for those who have already unlocked the class.