Item Pricing too high? Anyone else agree....?

ArchAngel__ - Storm Legion
ArchAngel__ - Storm Legion Posts: 0 Arc User
edited April 2011 in General Discussion
Honestly I have been playing PWI games for a long time (YEARS!) and have NEVER purchased any zen simply because the in game item shop items were way too high in price. Finally I began playing Forsaken World and looked at the item shop and thought "awesome, finally something that seems reasonable in price". Mounts for 620 leaf, small things for as low as 20-40 leaf, descent exp items and potions for 100 leaf. This whole time I'm thinking 1 leaf = 1 zen = 1 cent... ITS NOT!

10 zen = 4 leaf... or in other words 250% more than what I thought. So those mounts came up to about $15 + they were on sale so regular price is probably about $20. Clothes is around $5-$10 (might as well buy "REAL" clothes) and i was looking at $2.50 for a simple potion.

Really it would be nice to pop into future shop and grab a card and know I'm getting my moneys worth but if a $20 card can onlyl get me a few items from the item shop then whats the point? Why would I spend $20-$50 on items that will only make my items about 5-10% better and my experience in the game slightly better.

What do you guys think? Anyone out there who agrees that if PWI set prices a bit better you too would begin purchasing zen?
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  • daftfool
    daftfool Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
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    IDIOT
  • Luciferia - Illyfue
    Luciferia - Illyfue Posts: 3,982 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I would personally never buy any zen no matter what the price might be. I play a f2p game so that I can play for free, if I spent money on it I might as well have chosen a p2p that would have more quality overall.
    Besides, there are very few items in the CS that I would actually like to buy, and almost nothing that I can't get with some in-game work. The CS just makes getting to the top a lot easier and faster, but I just play to have fun, not to compete with anyone for who is the best.
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  • daftfool
    daftfool Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
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    IDIOT
  • saturn
    saturn Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    the price is fine. maybe they make a starter pack would be nice. but as other will tell you pwi
    dont care about us. i believe they do that why they will be making a west pvp server hopefully
  • daftfool
    daftfool Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
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    IDIOT
  • ArchAngel__ - Storm Legion
    ArchAngel__ - Storm Legion Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Ya bringing up the starter pack is another issue. PWI had a descent starter pack I was considering getting it, the one thing that made me sway away from it was that there were no inventory extension items in the package. In every PWE game I find myself running out of slots and I always find inventory expansion to be critical.

    If they were to make a descent starter pack for FW I would considering purchasing it so long as it had inventory expansion items, a sufficient amount of identification scrolls, a mount, and some other miscellaneous items such as statues and what not.
  • Pieflavor - Storm Legion
    Pieflavor - Storm Legion Posts: 277 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    daftfool wrote: »
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    IDIOT

    Hey you seem to have a threadbreaking argument that you seem to want to let out, so please, can you stfu and gtfo of this thread?
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  • asharon
    asharon Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    agree.. Items are very expensive and i learned hard way that i should never give my money to PWE..
  • ArchAngel__ - Storm Legion
    ArchAngel__ - Storm Legion Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I think that it would be beneficial for them to test out pricing in at least 1 or 2 of their games. Try lowering the pricing and advertising it then sit back and see if sales rise and if they make more money from lower prices or if they should keep it the same. Personally I think that with the sale of cards in local stores across North America its very accessible for people.

    If you do the math a descent character in one of their games will run you about $120+ That's for mount, bag extensions, item upgrades, and fashion. Maybe making a lot more packages would be a good idea. a $20 starter a $30, $40, and $50 mega pack which saves a good 50% off pricing would be nice. Basically I just want to see them make the game more accessible for everyone who wishes to throw some money at it.

    Until they do I personally will just continue to play casually for free :cool:
  • Aetarus - Nyos
    Aetarus - Nyos Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Sorry but I lol'd at the arrows.

    But yeah, overpriced as it may be, still better than some of their other titles, such as $30 for a skill reset and $30 for a mount in JD....
  • Swagger - Eyrda
    Swagger - Eyrda Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    PWE will not change their prices because they don't care about being a successful business. Plain and simple... That being said its a fun game but you should always keep in the back of your head it was designed to be a money pit. Their devs are already working hard on the next game they can pimp out on the corner and turn a cheap trick on. It's Chinese business ethics. Put as much money into it as your would be willing to throw into a trash can and light on fire. Some people can apparently do that with a lot of money and that's fine.
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  • Echoah - Storm Legion
    Echoah - Storm Legion Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Well, This is always a good question. But did you ever really think about it?
    So many of us cannot buy zen because of our age, this is understandable. But if we look at buying games what do we come up with?

    $60 for Crysis 2, game play 2 weeks - I know cause I beat it 2 times then I was board. Limited area to play in, only so many ways to get from start to finish.

    When it came out Bio Shock, game of the year, $50 bucks, game play time 3-4 weeks. New ideas, new ways to play.

    What other games do you buy and how much? How long do you play them for?
    A month for $50 -60 bucks at the most?

    You been playing these for years and paid nothing. What is it really worth to you? You can buy fashion on the PW Lost city server pff its about 8 bucks a piece, or over a million coins.

    I dont mind giving some back. If you can't or do not want to because you dont want to buy things online I can understand that. But if you just dont want to because you dont have to and can, well it is what it is. Ill contribute.

    Ellie
  • Cyphers - Lionheart
    Cyphers - Lionheart Posts: 393 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    *laughs at the carebears and ugly girls that spend 20$ on ingame fashion*
  • cadiazz
    cadiazz Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    95%+ of the ppl who playing f2p games that dont spend money on it is because they cant afford to

    tough but that is the truth
  • Tiffany - Lionheart
    Tiffany - Lionheart Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Personally, I'll never understand folks who whip out their wallets for these cheezy, lame Asian Cash Shop games.

    $15 in this FW game gets you nada from the cash shop. At best, a lev 20 blue pet that will suck at level 50 compared to any green pet you can tame in the wild. Or a crappy mount that's no better than the one you can buy for 30 soul-gold.

    Now take that same $15 to an MMO like World of Warcraft. You get UNLIMITED access to literally 1000s of pets, mounts, top-end armor pieces, etc

    You get great mana and / or health regen on all your toons just by SPECCING for it. In either of TWO swappable Talent Trees, both of which can be completely re-done as often as you like for just a small amunt of in-game currency.

    You get huuuuuuuge amounts of both bank space and inventory space.

    You get a game world that's so freakin' huge you could play different toons for months and months on end, just trying to see all of it.

    And best of all, you get FREE access to all the chat channels, allowing you to talk to players all around the game world as much as you like, as often as you like! Build groups, sell items, find a crafter to make yer gear, whatever.

    No disgusting "World Flutes", which equate into Pay To Say. Meaning no real game community, no real way to build groups etc without whipping out your wallet.

    No thanks.


    There's a reason MMOs like WoW have 12 million paying subscribers, compared to these sleazy Cash Shop games that sucker people into paying so gd MUCH, just to receive so little in return...


    As one MMO gamer website pointed out, using PWI's prices and applying them to WoW, you'd need over $340,000 cash to purchase all the items WoW allows you to access for just $15 a month...

    Think about THAT next time you're tempted to use your Visa to buy a stinking Mana Potion, or whatever...


    These Cash Shop games might actually get a huge audience someday... IF and WHEN a company develops one that doesn't greedily rob people blind, and /or charge money for even the most basic of items (there's a reason FW gave chars no mana or health regen... they want everyone to buy their stupid cash shop potions).

    A cash shop game wherein mounts and pets were maybe $5 each, tops... and where the more basic stuff like free channel chat and good mana /health regen was included as part of the game... THAT might actually earn enough money to compete with WoW.

    But greedy-**** games like FW that demand you spend $340,000 to match what a $15 a month game offers... they can all DIAF as far as I'm concerned. They claim they're "free" while charging you for everything imaginable.

    RL $$ to change your talent spec.

    RL $$ to change a crafting profession.

    RL $$ to have enough bank/inventory space to actually FUNCTION.

    RL $$ to improve all yer gear.

    RL $$ etc etc ad infinitum, world without end, hallelujah amen. :/

    Only reason I'm playing atm is money issues. But they're just temporary, and soon enough I'll gladly go back to WoW, where people are free to talk all they want, earn all the pets, mounts, and gear they want, WITHOUT paying stupidly high prices for each and every item individually...
  • ouriel125
    ouriel125 Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Personally, I'll never understand folks who whip out their wallets for these cheezy, lame Asian Cash Shop games.

    $15 in this FW game gets you nada from the cash shop. At best, a lev 20 blue pet that will suck at level 50 compared to any green pet you can tame in the wild. Or a crappy mount that's no better than the one you can buy for 30 soul-gold.

    Now take that same $15 to an MMO like World of Warcraft. You get UNLIMITED access to literally 1000s of pets, mounts, top-end armor pieces, etc

    You get great mana and / or health regen on all your toons just by SPECCING for it. In either of TWO swappable Talent Trees, both of which can be completely re-done as often as you like for just a small amunt of in-game currency.

    You get huuuuuuuge amounts of both bank space and inventory space.

    You get a game world that's so freakin' huge you could play different toons for months and months on end, just trying to see all of it.

    And best of all, you get FREE access to all the chat channels, allowing you to talk to players all around the game world as much as you like, as often as you like! Build groups, sell items, find a crafter to make yer gear, whatever.

    No disgusting "World Flutes", which equate into Pay To Say. Meaning no real game community, no real way to build groups etc without whipping out your wallet.

    No thanks.


    There's a reason MMOs like WoW have 12 million paying subscribers, compared to these sleazy Cash Shop games that sucker people into paying so gd MUCH, just to receive so little in return...


    As one MMO gamer website pointed out, using PWI's prices and applying them to WoW, you'd need over $340,000 cash to purchase all the items WoW allows you to access for just $15 a month...

    Think about THAT next time you're tempted to use your Visa to buy a stinking Mana Potion, or whatever...


    These Cash Shop games might actually get a huge audience someday... IF and WHEN a company develops one that doesn't greedily rob people blind, and /or charge money for even the most basic of items (there's a reason FW gave chars no mana or health regen... they want everyone to buy their stupid cash shop potions).

    A cash shop game wherein mounts and pets were maybe $5 each, tops... and where the more basic stuff like free channel chat and good mana /health regen was included as part of the game... THAT might actually earn enough money to compete with WoW.

    But greedy-**** games like FW that demand you spend $340,000 to match what a $15 a month game offers... they can all DIAF as far as I'm concerned. They claim they're "free" while charging you for everything imaginable.

    RL $$ to change your talent spec.

    RL $$ to change a crafting profession.

    RL $$ to have enough bank/inventory space to actually FUNCTION.

    RL $$ to improve all yer gear.

    RL $$ etc etc ad infinitum, world without end, hallelujah amen. :/

    Only reason I'm playing atm is money issues. But they're just temporary, and soon enough I'll gladly go back to WoW, where people are free to talk all they want, earn all the pets, mounts, and gear they want, WITHOUT paying stupidly high prices for each and every item individually...

    I'll point you one company that is not greedy, but they don't have MMO, but MOBA. That company is Riot. They are not greedy at all, everything can't obtained in the game and only costumes and heroes are available in their store, the runes are only obtainable by IP(influence points[which are not OP at all]). That company is not greedy at all, but these exported Korean/Chinese games all follow their politics and the publisher add absurdly overpriced items in their shop.
    PWE will never learn their lesson I guess. All they do is publish one game after another and from the current published one, they try to milk the players and publish the other one and neglect their previously released game.

    However, this is just my time filler game, so I don't bother much. xD
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  • kojoftw
    kojoftw Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Honestly I have been playing PWI games for a long time (YEARS!) and have NEVER purchased any zen simply because the in game item shop items were way too high in price. Finally I began playing Forsaken World and looked at the item shop and thought "awesome, finally something that seems reasonable in price". Mounts for 620 leaf, small things for as low as 20-40 leaf, descent exp items and potions for 100 leaf. This whole time I'm thinking 1 leaf = 1 zen = 1 cent... ITS NOT!

    10 zen = 4 leaf... or in other words 250% more than what I thought. So those mounts came up to about $15 + they were on sale so regular price is probably about $20. Clothes is around $5-$10 (might as well buy "REAL" clothes) and i was looking at $2.50 for a simple potion.

    Really it would be nice to pop into future shop and grab a card and know I'm getting my moneys worth but if a $20 card can onlyl get me a few items from the item shop then whats the point? Why would I spend $20-$50 on items that will only make my items about 5-10% better and my experience in the game slightly better.

    What do you guys think? Anyone out there who agrees that if PWI set prices a bit better you too would begin purchasing zen?

    It is not a must to pay, it is not expensive at alll, if you think those items are soooo expensive then you must be very poor (my opinion)
  • carowe27
    carowe27 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    lol game just opened like a month ago economy still needs to level out
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  • Tiffany - Lionheart
    Tiffany - Lionheart Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    carowe27 wrote: »
    lol game just opened like a month ago economy still needs to level out
    What economy? Everything depends on how many suckers are willing to pay RL money to buy all the same **** they could have 10X more of in any monthly-sub game.


    I still love the gamer website that calculated all the pets, mounts, gear and gear improvement items, bank and bag storage etc etc offered in World of Warcraft versus PWI awhile back (and FW has even higher prices and offers ZERO health/mana regen on its chars), and estimated you'd need to spend $340,000+ to match all the stuff WoW offers you, in PWI.

    These cash-shop games are like MMO casinos: they're purely for suckers, and count on feeding off the few hardcore addicts who will spend hundreds of $$ in a short time, trying to buy their way to fame and fortune.

    It's such a pity; any mainstream game like WoW or EQ or Warhammer or Dark Age of Camelot or ANY other monthly-sub MMO, will give you waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more for your money (in terms of mounts, pets, gear, storage, skills, game world, etc) than any PWI game... and PWI is actually the BEST of all the Asian Cash Shop lamer-gamer companies. All the other companies running this racket out of China are even WORSE... ><