Ranged Enrage possible?

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• helbjorn Posts: 678 Arc User

  June 2015 edited June 2015

  Enraged scales off of STR, so that would be a necessity in this case. Enraged for ranged can work, but usually best when building a Melee/Force hybrid. Enraged benefits ranged attacks at about 50% of the damage it benefits melee. That's a change from how Enraged used to work (used to benefit all attacks at 100%), which is what made Enraged builds all the rage (no pun intended).
  
  There is a STR spec to make your STR count toward your ranged knocks instead of EGO, but it's not point for point, and honestly there are much better choices in the tree to waste points on it.
  
  Lastly, Force knocks are not nearly as reliable for triggering Enraged stacks as melee knocks are. It's nice when it happens, but it's pretty random.

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• netherny Posts: 54 Arc User

  June 2015 edited June 2015

  Thanks for the quick reply!
  
  Maybe I'll just go back to my prior mixed-Rimefire build after all lol.

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• pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User

  June 2015 edited June 2015

  Ranged enrage builds were good back when (a) concentration didn't exist, and (b) enrage boosted melee and ranged equally.

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  June 2015 edited June 2015

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,859 Arc User

  June 2015 edited June 2015

  Using UR can help make up for some lost dmg when using Enraged w/ ranged builds (though it still requires close-range). Its also nice for giving ya passive knock resist from gearing all that Str for the toggle.
  
  Quick example for a Force-Enrage build:
  
  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Strength (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Devastator
  Level 6: Covert Ops Training
  Level 9: Physical Conditioning
  Level 12: Healthy Mind
  Level 15: Body and Mind
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Relentless
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Force Bolts
  Level 1: Force Blast (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Force Shield (Rank 2, Force Sheathe)
  Level 8: Defiance
  Level 11: Force Geyser (Rank 2, Nailed to the Ground)
  Level 14: Enrage (Endorphin Rush)
  Level 17: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 20: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 23: Force Cascade (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 26: Force Detonation (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 29: Masterful Dodge
  Level 32: Resurgence (Rank 2)
  Level 35: Unleashed Rage (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 38: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6:
  Level 35:
  
  Specializations:
  Strength: Swole (3/3)
  Strength: Aggression (2/2)
  Strength: Brutality (2/2)
  Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
  Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
  Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
  Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
  Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
  Vindicator: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
  Vindicator: Mass Destruction (3/3)
  Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)
  
  Not ideal for dps, but has some other perks to it. Gearing for some End on the side for Defiance and FC energy.

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• jennabeezy Posts: 42 Arc User

  July 2015

  Hi there Flow.
  By gearing for END, you mean to make better use of the energy you get from getting hit while using Defiance, right? Because honestly that's something I never would have thought of

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,859 Arc User

  July 2015 edited July 2015

  Yep. Defiance can lead to you getting large bursts of energy sometimes if ur toggle also procs its energy return around the same time (and/or w/ EU also procing); getting End lowers the chance or amount that you'd waste energy by going over ur max in that case.

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• jennabeezy Posts: 42 Arc User

  July 2015 edited July 2015

  I have just one more question (for now lol) Flow, I read a description of Enrage, and I might as well C+P it here....
  
  "Enrage provides a powerful boost to your power based off of your strength score. That's the good part; high strength characters do massive melee damage using this toggle, even without critical hits. The problem, however, is its difficulty to stack - You must knock your targets to get stacks, or otherwise use other unusual tactics. To its credit, Enrage's length is dependent on your constitituion - whereas other toggles have stacks that only last 20 seconds, Enrage can easily get in excess of 35 by stacking Con.
  Endorphin Rush - Whenever you stack enrage, you gain a very weak Heal over Time effect. The strength of the heal is determined by your Constitution, while the length of the heal is determined by defiance stacks - meaning both do serve to boost the heal's overall potential. A very minor survivability buffer, though also one of the few Toggle upgrades that does help out"
  
  Now... the whole reason I thought about trying it as a slot power for a ranged toon is because it says "Enrage provides a powerful boost to your power based off of your strength score." NOT "Enrage provides a powerful boost to your MELEE power based off your strength score"
  
  What exactly does Enrage do, anyway? does it boost ALL attack power, or does it boost just certain stats? Does it boost strength, dexterity? I honestly haven't thought about it before.
  
  And I'm currently combing through Power House, because I'm searching for a power, I swear there was one that lets you stack enrage by how many times you hit, or get hit... I'm all absent minded today babysitting someone's sick dog. Or dogsit lol. But I swear, I'm not actually sitting on the dog!!! Because... he would bite the crap outta me.
  
  EDIT: Found it, the adv on Unbreakable must be what I was thinking about, Better You Than Me. Unless there's others... <_<

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,859 Arc User

  July 2015 edited July 2015

  Enrage gives you both energy when it procs and a passive damage bonus, both scaling off Strength. That dmg bonus is not even for melee and ranged, though- the ranged portion is half that of the melee portion. Enraged does not boost any of ur basic stats (Str, Ego, Con, etc); it just gives that energy and passive dmg (latter is effectively a 'hidden' stat on the char info screen and ya have to tally it manually).
  
  Its still worth noting that the dmg bonus is in the lowest/passive layer of the dmg formulas, so once ur geared out it doesn't have as much of an effect on final dmg done- at least for FFs. As a rough example, a +100% passive dmg bonus for 8 stacks of a dps toggle may only result in about 20% final dmg added to a geared & dps-oriented FF.
  

  And I'm currently combing through Power House, because I'm searching for a power, I swear there was one that lets you stack enrage by how many times you hit, or get hit...

  
  Yea, the power ur prob thinking of is Unbreakable w/ its special adv- which gives ya Enrage stacks when getting hit w/ Unbreakable up. It can only give ya >1 Enrage if ur currently using an Enrage-granting toggle, though (else the stacks will fall off as this game doesn't allow you to benefit from >1 toggle stacks at once, for balance reasons). Aggressor also gives ya extra Enrage stacks when activated (depending on rank), and there's certain combos like Uppercut + Haymaker, or Roomsweeper in AoE, that give extra Enrage stacks when used in the corresponding situation.

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• jennabeezy Posts: 42 Arc User

  July 2015

  Thank you so much for all the advice Flow, but the longer a try this toon out, the more I start to see this toon wants to be a Night Warrior with a ninja-type theme, with as much ranged powers as possible. Shuriken, boomerangs from Gadgeteer, etc, and a mix of Unarmed martial arts skills.
  
  I'm sure you know what it's like when a toon seems to take on a life and personality of it's own. The Force thing just doesn't seem optimal. Now I'm looking into the unarmed Martial Arts skills and keep coming across this term "Focus". I was wondering if there might be a build out there for a ranged ninja type character, but with moves that maximize this Focus thing. Now, as far as I can tell, it works like Defiance or maybe Enrage stacks? There's got to be a way to maximize Focus stacks, right? If you know of a awesome Unarmed Build (that still has room for me to put my throwing weapons) then please let me know about it)
  
  Basically I'm getting tired of playing Scourge-based toons all the time, and am looking for something different, but that still has awesome ranged capability, and when gets swarmed, can let loose with some Bruce Lee type-shizzle.
  
  Ironically, the SS's i have down for this toon are DEX / CON / STR, so... yea... energy issues are likely.
  
  From what I've read, if you have a stack of Focus, and then execute a Dragon move, you get a "Rush" effect, which gives you extra energy? Is it possible to stack Focus? Or is it just a single stack buff thing?
  
  Basically, is there a build that would allow me the max amount of Focus building, and still let me use NW and my 'rangs, and some kicks and punches?
  
  Thanks so much for your help! :D

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,859 Arc User

  July 2015

  Focus is the buff ya get from any toggle taken from the MA trees. They all provide passive dmg bonus and energy scaling w/ Dex (instead of via Str w/ Enrage). The most versatile one is FotTempest (in the Dual Blades tree), since all it takes is a crit from any type of attack (ranged or melee) to proc, while the others have more specific clauses (and/or only proc on melee attacks). FotT + Dex can be good for any build out there, given how easily it can be built up, though keep in midn that Focus also benefits melee attacks more than ranged (ala Enrage).
  

  From what I've read, if you have a stack of Focus, and then execute a Dragon move, you get a "Rush" effect, which gives you extra energy? Is it possible to stack Focus? Or is it just a single stack buff thing?

  Yea, if ya use a fully charged 'Dragon' move from MA w/ a Focus toggle running, ya get the Rush buff. Rush is MA's pseudo-energy unlock (not a true one, though, since ya can still get an EU w/ it running). It reduces melee attack costs (by ~15% iirc), while also giving ya a large amount of energy over time (which also scales w/ Dex; tooltip is wrong there). Rush can't be stacked, but one stack gives plenty energy over its duration.
  
  If using Focus, ya can always take a DEX/Con/Int SS setup, possibly w/ MSA, and w/ Rush + FotT ya shouldn't have any energy issues. Do keep in mind that all the moves that give Rush are melee, though. INT/Dex/Con or CON/Dex/Int could also work, depending on ur priorities.
  
  Ya can certainly make an Unarmed MA build that still uses Shurikens (Storm and Throw)- in fact, Shuriken Storm is one of the few 'good' AoEs in MA, and Throw is decent as a ranged interrupt (due to its knockdown). Since Unarmed has so many attacks, and many ways to build around them, you'll want to play around w/ the different attacks and see which ones ya like the look/feel of the most.

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