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draogndraogn Posts: 1,269 Arc User
edited May 2015 in Suggestions Box
Similar to how the option was added to the ego blade powers, it would be cool to have the ability to dual wield the laser swords from the Power Armor set. Either as a 0 point advantage, similar to the Ego powers, or as new abilities if that isn't possible.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Yes. Also a laser sword model with two tiny laser swords that serve as a guard.
  • notyuunotyuu Posts: 1,121 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    and while we're on the topic...what about makign the energy sword powerset a little more energy efficent as well as making the partical accrelator set less relant on chance...oh, and fixing the stacking on plasma burn.
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    Yeah some things are broken... no I don't use/abuse them.. where would be the fun in that?
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  • notyuunotyuu Posts: 1,121 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    gradii wrote: »
    the energy cost on laser sword is fine, and balanced for the damage.

    to an extent, yeah, however the high energy cost limits the move sets flexability, becasue if you don't run it with electric form as your passive you have to run MSA/int/rec frankenbuild to make it viable for any length of combat exceeding 0.3 seconds...or...ya know...have energy issues plauging the build to the point of uselessness.
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    Yeah some things are broken... no I don't use/abuse them.. where would be the fun in that?
  • vonqballvonqball Posts: 939 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Plenty of passives can run laser sword... But, you can't just slap it onto any old high-dps build. And that's fine, and (I suspect) by design.
  • notyuunotyuu Posts: 1,121 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    just sayin, the damage increase [over the single blade varient] is roughly 33% but the energy cost increase is closer to 60% higher....maybe they should be a little better balanced out...or maybe a passive or form or something that returns energy when you gain a stack of plasma burn.....but that would require them to fix plasma burn stacking to be more viable....ah well, just my two cents.
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    Yeah some things are broken... no I don't use/abuse them.. where would be the fun in that?
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Simple laser sword is fine. The combo moves, however, are not fine.
  • tenryo82tenryo82 Posts: 3
    edited May 2015
    i dont know what you're doing wrong with your build but, i run Str/Dex/Con on my laser sword build and have zero problems with energy.

    i also dont even run electric form. my guess is you're one of those players who want to play this game WITHOUT using their EB as the game was meant to be played.
  • notyuunotyuu Posts: 1,121 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    tenryo82 wrote: »
    i dont know what you're doing wrong with your build but, i run Str/Dex/Con on my laser sword build and have zero problems with energy.

    i also dont even run electric form. my guess is you're one of those players who want to play this game WITHOUT using their EB as the game was meant to be played.

    well with the way it currently is you get maybe 3-4 hits from the combo power off before you run outta energy, at which point eaither your target is dead or things are rather.....well, lets just say with the way energy sword is atm, you spend more time building energy than dealing damage, which could be migated to an extent if the plasma burn stacks didn't fall off faster than a unicycle on a pogostick, but in it's current state....you're lucky to maintain 1-2 stacks of plasma burn at a time, unless you have a uber optimised build for energy...at which point you can manage roughly 4 stacks at once.

    in a nutshell, if the main point of a power is to deal damage or enable another power to deal high damage, and you spend more time preparing to use it than using it...something's kinda wrong with it.
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    Yeah some things are broken... no I don't use/abuse them.. where would be the fun in that?
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    notyuu wrote: »
    to an extent, yeah, however the high energy cost limits the move sets flexability, becasue if you don't run it with electric form as your passive you have to run MSA/int/rec frankenbuild to make it viable for any length of combat exceeding 0.3 seconds...or...ya know...have energy issues plauging the build to the point of uselessness.

    Oh no, you might have to use MSA D: almost nobody does that already. uwu

    oh no, you might have to use int or rec D:

    oh no, frankenbuild D:

    oh no you might have to let your energy builder be on for a second D:

    oh no, mechanics D:


    The cost is fine, that's how it's balanced. If they lower the cost, they'd have to lower the damage, and then no more energy sword damage bragging for you u3u
  • notyuunotyuu Posts: 1,121 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    spinnytop wrote: »
    oh no, mechanics D:

    yeah...I wouldn't be complaining about it so much if the primary mechanic behind it [plasma burn] was actually....well, functional, in it's current state the energy sword powers apply one stack of plasma burn on every thrid swing, and atypically the power costs about 20 energy per swing, which measn it takes about 60 enerrgy to get one stack of plasma burn on the target...whihc isn't that bad consdering what plasma burn does...however the main issue here is that the stack burns out so quickly that you need to effectivally spam the power if you want any hope at having more than 2 stacks of it on the target at a time.....and consdering that plasma burn is made to be detonnated with the plasma cutter power [like bleed and rupture], that's...kinda a issue.

    possible solutions [keyword possible, as in there are other options than these]

    1: Make plasma burn last longer

    2: reduce the energy cost of the moveset

    3: make it so all stacks of plasma burn on the target are refreshed when a new stack is applied

    4: reduce the max stack number to 3, but increase the damage rampup on plasmacutter detionation

    5: Add a heafty chance to the intemderate hits to apply plasma burn [about 30-50%]

    so...while those are the top five ways I can think of fixing the issue, i'm fairly certian that there's better ways out there...and before anybody points out that plasmabeam with the adv applies plasmaburn, it only applies it per one second, meaning it's slower than the sword method [just barely] and only just a little more energy efficent.
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    Yeah some things are broken... no I don't use/abuse them.. where would be the fun in that?
  • vonqballvonqball Posts: 939 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I actually agree with suggestion #3. I suspect that is how they intended plasma burn to work in the first place, but y'know how these things go 'round here.

    But, laser sword performs pretty well right now, and is use and loved. Many powers are in a much worse state. Like, chain lightning.. which doesn't work as intended on a full charge... and generally sucks in every tangible way.
  • roughbearmattachroughbearmattach Posts: 4,784 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    For me, the only problem is that plasma burn stacks don't refresh and they fall off too fast.

    Otherwise, seems fair and balanced.
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  • avianosavianos Posts: 6,178 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    That's my Only problem with Laser Sword! the FREAKING PLASMA BURN STACKS DO NOT REFRESH and always fall before I can every stack 4! Why DO I ever try to rapture the stacks if the system is such a failure?

    I'm ok with the Cost-Power, but the STACKING need to get Fixed!

    Also bring back the Laser Sword Passive

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