Munitions Weakest Power Set?

circleofpsi · May 2015

So, is the Munitions Set, the weakest powers of the hole power-sets?, due to they don;t seem to do that much damage on their own, and I've only heard really bad vibes from the set themselves as well. Like can't change the sounds or they are too annoying, Can't pick new sounds for weapons, barely any good conspets for them etc.

Share your thoughts?, I am trying to build an power-set, that uses the new pulp pistol and qularr assault rifle, but how weak the powers are and that sound is putting me off and they feel very old techie.

vonqball · May 2015

Uhmmm.. wut??!

Can't agree with you here. 2gm is one of the highest dps ranged attacks in the game, and the Assault rifle is no slouch. Some muni powers are comparative duds, but most are pretty decent in my experience.

novaninja555 · May 2015

If I am not mistaken, the soldier is one of te best marksmen out tere... And he is... Munitions

flyingfinn · May 2015

Nope.
What voices do you listen?
Biggest problem seems to be, you can't figure out good concept that uses guns...And how they sound.

AR weak?

....

flowcyto · May 2015

Pistol Muni is one of the best mini-sets out there in terms of effectiveness, and non-pistol Muni is still quite good (as the Soldier can attest to).

Muni uses modern firearms, though. It sounds like ur going more for a sci-fi feel, so Gadeteering and/or Power Armor would prob be more fitting.

jaazaniah1 · May 2015

Note that you can't change the sounds for any powers. This isn't just something under munitions.

circleofpsi · May 2015

flyingfinn wrote: »

Nope.
What voices do you listen?
Biggest problem seems to be, you can't figure out good concept that uses guns...And how they sound.

AR weak?

....

I have no idea, but alot of pep said that the powerset is quite bad, and well the gun sounds do need to change a little, I mean we have loads of guns to choice from, we should able to change the sounds to, to lazes pew pew or other types of gun sounds

flowcyto wrote: »

Pistol Muni is one of the best mini-sets out there in terms of effectiveness, and non-pistol Muni is still quite good (as the Soldier can attest to).

Muni uses modern firearms, though. It sounds like ur going more for a sci-fi feel, so Gadeteering and/or Power Armor would prob be more fitting.

Hummm ok, well I'll have to really look into the set, I do like the pistols, but an mix of guns whuold be nice.

jaazaniah1 wrote: »

Note that you can't change the sounds for any powers. This isn't just something under munitions.

Thats ture, but whuold love to able to do that

circleofpsi · May 2015

Flow, or anyone here, whuold you guys/girls mind posting any good builds of Munitions sets?, of all kinds, I am mostly looking at high DPS but Im wondering what types of builds their are

crypticbuxom · May 2015

Rocket. Mini Mines. Bullet Beatdown. Yeah they're pretty bad. Gatling Gun is okay since it works so well in Fire and Ice.

flowcyto · May 2015

gradii wrote: »

Are you unaware just how much sci fi uses ballistics based weaponry over lazor beams??

Perhaps I am. But regardless, I was just pointing out for, say, alien tech, that other powersets could be more fitting. Ofc, that's up to one's own taste in practice.

crypticbuxom wrote:

Rocket. Mini Mines. Bullet Beatdown. Yeah they're pretty bad. Gatling Gun is okay since it works so well in Fire and Ice.

Rocket and BB are okay, imo. More niche, but can be decent. Mines.. used to be fine, so I heard. I guess they had a physical dmg component that was removed? And I assume the Imbue changes caused them to be one of the powers w/ disabled crits.

cryneting wrote:

Flow, or anyone here, whuold you guys/girls mind posting any good builds of unarmed sets?, of all kinds, I am mostly looking at high DPS but Im wondering what types of builds their are

Unarmed, as in MA's Unarmed? Cause that's quite a diff topic :x

There's quite a few potentially good Unarmed builds, since the tree has many diff powers. What types of hand-to-hand attacks do you want the character to do? Very rapid ones? Slower ones? more punches? more kicks? etc..

circleofpsi · May 2015

crypticbuxom wrote: »

Rocket. Mini Mines. Bullet Beatdown. Yeah they're pretty bad. Gatling Gun is okay since it works so well in Fire and Ice.

Yeah, the powers you listed are very bad

flowcyto wrote: »

Perhaps I am. But regardless, I was just pointing out for, say, alien tech, that other powersets could be more fitting. Ofc, that's up to one's own taste in practice.

Rocket and BB are okay, imo. More niche, but can be decent. Mines.. used to be fine, so I heard. I guess they had a physical dmg component that was removed? And I assume the Imbue changes caused them to be one of the powers w/ disabled crits.

Unarmed, as in MA's Unarmed? Cause that's quite a diff topic :x

There's quite a few potentially good Unarmed builds, since the tree has many diff powers. What types of hand-to-hand attacks do you want the character to do? Very rapid ones? Slower ones? more punches? more kicks? etc..

As for the sci-fi stuff your right here, flow not gradii, while I have seen my share of crappy movies that use ballistic weapons, they are not true sci-fi weaponry, while most ballistic weapons can be futuristic if detailed and designed right, but most ballistic weapons are from over-rated-porn Annmarie shows.

But yeah all depends on person taste, their can be hi-tech weapons that uses ballistic weapons, just look at doom 3 and borderlands the games.

As for unarmed builds, whoops....I mean Munitions sets out there, any really good powerful ones that give good bite

kage1822 · May 2015

cryneting wrote: »

Yeah, the powers you listed are very bad

As for the sci-fi stuff your right here, flow not gradii, while I have seen my share of crappy movies that use ballistic weapons, they are not true sci-fi weaponry, while most ballistic weapons can be futuristic if detailed and designed right, but most ballistic weapons are from over-rated-porn Annmarie shows.

But yeah all depends on person taste, their can be hi-tech weapons that uses ballistic weapons, just look at doom 3 and borderlands the games.

As for unarmed builds, whoops....I mean Munitions sets out there, any really good powerful ones that give good bite

Ballistics not true sci-fi weapons... O.o

The entire Aliens series, Avatar, Terminator, Blade Runner, Running Man, 5th Element, Total Recall, Starship Troopers, Defiance (tv show) just to name a few, i know not all of those were very good such as Starship Troopers, but it just goes to shoot down the idea that ballistics is not true sci-fi...

flyingfinn · May 2015

Grab 25.000Gs and i'll sell you guns that have Awesome Sounds and Futuristic Ammo in them.
Power Replacers FTW.
:cool:

circleofpsi · May 2015

kage1822 wrote: »

Ballistics not true sci-fi weapons... O.o

The entire Aliens series, Avatar, Terminator, Blade Runner, Running Man, 5th Element, Total Recall, Starship Troopers, Defiance (tv show) just to name a few, i know not all of those were very good such as Starship Troopers, but it just goes to shoot down the idea that ballistics is not true sci-fi...

Ture sci-fi weapons are beams, plasma and other types of things, I didn;t say they are not sci-fi weapons that uses ballistics but most sci-fi ballstics use other things then Lead, like Alloy or steel shots, or H.E.A.T ammo etc.

circleofpsi · May 2015

bluegrassbeast wrote: »

Mass Effect

Blade Runner

Warhammer 40k

..you were saying?

lol Blade Runner & Warhammer 40K are considered good and Sic-fi?, Please, your going to kill my freedom to ever laugh ever in my life.

Mass Effect, on the other hand, Im not sure they are purely Ballistic weapons, some sort of high-energy weapons, but do fire Lead of some sort. I can't remaber tho.

flowcyto · May 2015

For ME, its mostly a decent mix of both, though ultimately it would depend on the race that manufactured the weapon imo. Human or Krogan? More ballistics. Prothean, Asari, or Salarian? Likely more energy-based. etc..

I'd imagine this all just depends on the franchise or material in question, though I ain't the expert.

kage1822 · May 2015

flowcyto wrote: »

For ME, its mostly a decent mix of both, though ultimately it would depend on the race that manufactured the weapon imo. Human or Krogan? More ballistics. Prothean, Asari, or Salarian? Likely more energy-based. etc..

I'd imagine this all just depends on the franchise or material in question, though I ain't the expert.

exactly, there are way too numerous sources proving that Ballistics is used in the sci-fi genre... and what the OP is saying that only energy, plasma, etc is the only sci-fi weaponry is like saying for example there's no separation of dog breeds, wolves, foxes and other k-9s, they're all dogs, or same with cats, or even weaponry.. there's no separation of types of gun its just gun...

guyhumual · May 2015

Maybe people mean munitions are the worst power set much like Superman could be considered one of the worst heroes? objectively Superman is the most powerful hero, but that means he's very hard to write for, and often his stories are boring. There have been great superman stories over the years, but compare that to Batman and you're probably not looking at the same levels of grit or suspense. Maybe people think that munitions are the worst because they're so good it's hard to build a competitive build without using that power set? It's a bad set because they don't think it's balanced?

If you were told that objectively munitions is the weakest power set then yes, don't listen to those people any more.

circleofpsi · May 2015

flowcyto wrote: »

For ME, its mostly a decent mix of both, though ultimately it would depend on the race that manufactured the weapon imo. Human or Krogan? More ballistics. Prothean, Asari, or Salarian? Likely more energy-based. etc..

I'd imagine this all just depends on the franchise or material in question, though I ain't the expert.

Its an mix, but most of the guns are all ballistics but some kind of special ones, Its been a while untill I played ME, but they use miniature slugs that are fired from an magnetic force, but they have specialized ammo inside too.

circleofpsi · May 2015

guyhumual wrote: »

Maybe people mean munitions are the worst power set much like Superman could be considered one of the worst heroes? objectively Superman is the most powerful hero, but that means he's very hard to write for, and often his stories are boring. There have been great superman stories over the years, but compare that to Batman and you're probably not looking at the same levels of grit or suspense. Maybe people think that munitions are the worst because they're so good it's hard to build a competitive build without using that power set? It's a bad set because they don't think it's balanced?

If you were told that objectively munitions is the weakest power set then yes, don't listen to those people any more.

Thats an good point..

vonqball · May 2015

So,you think blade runner is terrible? Then yes, it all makes sense. Munitions would be an absolutely terrible power set.. in your bizarro flipside world :P

vonqball · May 2015

You might consider making an AoAC grappling gun build. It should be OP as heck in your reality!

tdits · May 2015

gradii wrote: »

OMG, GENIUS! this is gonna be the new AoAC + Claws/Laser sword!

wait- REC primary too right?

Hey! REC Primary is awesome!

crypticbuxom · May 2015

Charge up time to activate? Check. Cooldown? Check. Terrible damage on Freeform? Check. Classic Cryptic overnerf.

kage1822 · May 2015

crypticbuxom wrote: »

Charge up time to activate? Check. Cooldown? Check. Terrible damage on Freeform? Check. Classic Cryptic overnerf.

LMFAO, that's so true... sad but true... lol

jennymachx · May 2015

It's a pretty potent set if you build right. When it comes to 2GM, AR or SMG, it's all about the tick damage. Max out your crit stats for frequent crit damage ticks and you'll be wiping the floor with mobs easily. Heck, Killer Instinct, Munitions energy unlock, kicks off each time you land a crit using a munitions power. It's like they're telling you that Munitions is all about the crits.

Then there's Frag Grenade and Shotgun Blast that make good knockback powers to interrupt mobs. Holdout Shot is a nice spammable soft heal power. Sniper Rifle can be pretty deadly especially when used together with self threat-wipe powers. My personal favorite tactic with Sniper Rifle is to use Toxic Nanites to snare the target and let the toxic ticks finish the job if the target isn't dead from the shot.

doktormarengo · May 2015

Munitions is awesome.. but I'm aware some players think it's subpar.

When I first started playing ATs, I was warned away from the soldier. But thanks to some encouragement from others I tried it anyway.

That turned out to be my favorite AT. If you ask me munitions has some awesome blast powers available very early --- and just keeps getting better.

I'm still not entirely sure why some people think it's terrible.

kirsros · May 2015

Pretty sure whoever you're listening to has no idea what they're talking about. As stated by most other people on this thread, munitions is one of the highest DPS powersets in the game. However, the setback is that it focuses on raw damage and damage only. If you want debuffs and heals, munitions doesn't really have much in those categories.

taintedmess · May 2015

cryneting wrote: »

lol Blade Runner & Warhammer 40K are considered good and Sic-fi?, Please, your going to kill my freedom to ever laugh ever in my life.

Um yes I'm pretty sure they tick most of the boxes and in the case of 40k all of the boxes and then some extra ones from other genres just cause it can.

Id your after laser guns then look at gadgetearing its probably your best bet or maybe soem power armour if you want built in stuff.

chaelk · May 2015

I think what what the OP is trying to point out is the FICTION part of science fiction.

Ones which aren't made yet.

The completely wishful thinking weapons.
Not lasers or railguns which are already in use.

and yes Warhammer 40k is indeed Science fiction, Warhammer(basic) is fantasy.

as for the sounds, I have no problems with them. I run with all sound off.

crypticbuxom · May 2015

The soldier AT is absolutely amazing! Its my most used one aside from Unleashed. Both with crazy AoE damage. Rocket only really works fine when using Soldier.

flowcyto · May 2015

crypticbuxom wrote: »

The soldier AT is absolutely amazing! Its my most used one aside from Unleashed. Both with crazy AoE damage. Rocket only really works fine when using Soldier.

Ya really don't like Rocket, huh?

Well I've used it in FF builds before and have been satisfied w/ its performance (as an alpha strike or as a big hitter w/ Preemptive Strikes that also rolls MSA and can be buffed by Firesnake), unlike something like Mini Mines which I can't make passable regardless. Its not a knock-out power at base, but not all of them can be.

deadman20 · May 2015

The only real reason people think Munitions is weak is because the set itself doesn't have a dedicated passive to go along with it like the others do. It has to borrow one from another set, like Archery's Quarry, Powered Armor's Targeting Computer, Ebon Sorcery's Aura of Ebon Destruction, or even Fire's Fiery Form. That being said, Munitions is incredibly viable and versatile. It's all about having the right gun for the situation, and that's where Munitions shines best.

Now, as far as the comparisons between Assault Rifle and Two-Gun Mojo go... yes Two-Gun does more damage and is more constant, but Assault Rifle starts with a heavy burst then builds its damage up over the attack and can reach further than Two-Gun can.

I just wish Frag Grenade and Mini-Mines would hit harder... maybe add a Flashbang AoE Tap-Stun+Disorient power too. Next build: AoAC with Frag Grenade, Mini-Mines, Celestial Cleansing, and a whole bunch of the other weaker powers that probably won't synergize well with the rest of the build! Why? Because I can.

Munitions Weakest Power Set?

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