WTH JUST HAPPENED? (Agents of Shield spoilers)

novaninja555 · March 2015

Ok so I just caught up with the recent episode of agents of SHIELD. And two things made go WTH.

1. Do I sense a shipping between Fitz and Skye in the future, since Fitz is the only one who seems to understand her. He says he has been in a similar spot in the previous episode to Mack, a reference to how Simmons treated him differently and pushed him away after his brain damage trying to save her (I didn't like Simmons so much after that, especially after he nearly died saving her) . Now this would be awesome cuz both Fitz and Skye are my favorite characters.

2. This is the worse one and made me seriously go Wtf.

Did Mack actually kill Hunter, or merely subdue him. Now this is ironic since earlier, he tells Phil, "I am not one for violence."

Also, do any of you get the feeling he and Bobbi may be secretly associated with Hydra and that this "backup" maybe a backup hydra head?

3. This isn't really a WTH moment but confusing. If the Cree alien was actually a good guy, why did he erase the nurse's memory?!

solardynamo · March 2015

What I got was Bobby and Mack have some secret happening like maybe a splinter SHIELD group or maybe even allegiance to the Gen. Talbot. As Bobby said...we're not Hydra.

They could still be good guys, but don't believe the new SHIELD is going about things the right way. That's more the feeling I have.

As for Mack, I'm pretty sure he only choked out Hunter (sleeper hold) and didn't strangle him.

The Kree did seem good, but I don't recall the nurse part sorry...I must have looked away during that.

flyingfinn · March 2015

What If...? Alphonso Mack Mackenzie is actually Luke Cage....and becomes Power Man, because of the "alien influence"...
He and Bobbi aren't Hydra.
They might be actually working for "real " Nick Fury. Since you know (WELL YOU SHOULD, TRUEBELIVER!), current "Nick Fury" is the original "Nick Furys" son... Now can you go WTH JUST HAPPENED!! for that...

The original Nick Fury - introduced by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in 1963 - was a soldier in World War II. He had a platoon of handpicked GIs that fought with him in unique and often off-the-books missions. Eventually, it was revealed that Nick Fury continued to work with the government after the war, becoming the nation's premiere spy as the most well-known Agent of SHIELD. As the publishing years went by, an explanation was made for how a WWII veteran could still be active in the modern day (he was receiving injections of the Infinity Formula, extending his lifespan), and a new wrinkle was added to his legacy: he was an immortal soldier. He was now a man with no life except for the mission. He lived to fight evil and protect freedom - and nothing else.

In 2001 a new Nick Fury was introduced as part of Marvel's Ultimate line (also called Earth-1610), with heroic adventures set in an alternate reality. Although initially depicted as white, it was revealed that this Nick Fury (and Samuel L. Jackson look alike) was also a soldier in World War II, but that he was forcibly made a guinea pig for the Super-Soldier program, eventually granted longevity as well. This Fury was purposely designed as Jackson, and it was a smart move too, as it likely paved the way for casting the action movie stalwart in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, helping bring audiences in on the world of capes and spandex through Jackson's more cynical eye.

With the movie-version's worldwide popularity, Marvel's main universe (commonly known as Earth-616) introduced another Nick Fury in 2012's Battle Scars #1. This version was the son of the original and an Afircan American secret agent named Nia Jones. To protect the child from Fury's enemies, Nick Fury Jr. was raised as Marcus Johnson; he became a respected US Army Ranger and served alongside Phil "Cheese" Coulson in Afghanistan. Now the original Nick Fury has gone underground to quietly deal with world threats off the grid while Marcus has accepted his birth name and operates as SHIELD Agent Nick Fury Jr.

joybuzzerx · March 2015

I've been watching every episode and have no idea where they want to go with any of it, but I can say it's not making any sense.

They're afraid of Skye, but Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America? Or is this supposed to be some sort of mutant like story line?

I don't think Samuel's Nick Fury is the son of the original Nick Fury in the cinematic universe. I think that's just a 616 thing to capitalize on Samuel's Nick Fury, but I could easily be wrong on that one.

The Kree I think they wanted some way to make him come off as a bad guy. Personally I thought all who went after Skye came off as a bad guy. Especially when they've seen what a normal person can do without the powers.

jonsills · March 2015

In Earth-199999, that's the Nick Fury. He never headed the Howling Commandos; that was Dum-Dum Dugan, after Cap was assumed KIA.

And while most people think Fury's dead currently, Cap, Natasha, and Coulson's people at SHIELD know he's still alive. I'm wondering if maybe Bobbi and Mack are running some sort of op for Maria Hill, who (so far as I know) hasn't been told about Nick's escape from his assassins in Winter Soldier. If she thinks Fury is dead, she would be very interested in his old "toolbox", as well as exactly what Coulson and his people are up to.

They're definitely not HYDRA, both because Bobbi specifically said so, and because Mack wanted her to drive Hunter away for now so that Hunter and Bobbi could have a chance at salvaging their relationship "once we're all friends again." And that was definitely a sleeper hold; you can see Hunter breathing just before we cut to Mack with that "aw hell, now what do I do?" look on his face.

joybuzzerx · March 2015

Maria Hill knows he's alive. She's the one who informed Natasha and Steve. She was even coordinating the take down of the carriers as Nick went in and used his secret secondary log in.

jonsills · March 2015

Okay, so they're probably not on an op for Hill. Could Fury himself be running one on the team, to check on how well they're maintaining OPSEC? 'Cause otherwise, the only Good Guy I can think of who might be behind it is Talbot, and I'm really not clear on exactly how Good he is.

xydaxyda · March 2015

joybuzzerx wrote: »

They're afraid of Skye, but Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America? Or is this supposed to be some sort of mutant like story line?

There are for sure trying to invoke a mutant vibe with the movie verse interpretation of the Inhumans.

apart from Thor all the other heroes are technically human...while these new people are some kind of freaky deaky alien super weapon hybrids.

riverocean · March 2015

I'm pretty sure Bobbi and Mack are part of some secret anti-alien group. Maybe aligned with Talbot (who has a history of distrusting meta-humans and aliens). And also maybe aligned with some of the anti-mutant government agencies we saw in the X-men movies.

Mack has a serious distrust of super-powered beings (and maybe out right prejudiced against them)... which is why I was thinking this.

joybuzzerx · March 2015

Would they want to do that with Bobbi? She's Mocking Jay. So she's got a bit of a fan base I'm sure and I don't think they'd want to go total villain with some of the fan favorites.

I know I wouldn't be happy to see Spider-Woman be the villain, even if she did have that happen in the comics due to shape shifters and being a spy, but I admit, I always hoped for her to become more like Spidey and doing hero work like him...which she seems to be doing in a new awful outfit!

sistersilicon · March 2015

xydaxyda wrote: »

There are for sure trying to invoke a mutant vibe with the movie verse interpretation of the Inhumans.

apart from Thor all the other heroes are technically human...while these new people are some kind of freaky deaky alien super weapon hybrids.

Marvel's chances of reaching the same detente with Fox that they did with Sony for Spider-Man are close enough to nil to be hopeless. That's why we have entirely different Quicksilvers in Days of Future Past and Age of Ultron. As far as the MCU is concerned, there are no mutants and no Fantastic Four. Those belong to Fox, and they're running with them. (Also, they're in a position of strength compared to Sony, who had a three Spider-Man movie losing streak lead to their deal with Marvel.)

This is why Marvel is setting up Inhumans now in Agents of SHIELD. They're the new hated subculture of superheroes, but they have far less recognition beyond comic book readers, so Marvel is taking their time to build them up before the Inhumans movie planned for 2019.

jonsills · March 2015

Um, Joy, that's Mockingbird - mockingjays belong to a totally different universe.

bazodee · March 2015

riverocean wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Bobbi and Mack are part of some secret anti-alien group. Maybe aligned with Talbot (who has a history of distrusting meta-humans and aliens). And also maybe aligned with some of the anti-mutant government agencies we saw in the X-men movies.

There is also the rumour that they are working for Stark in setup for AoU and Civil War.

It's all so exciting! :biggrin:

joybuzzerx · March 2015

jonsills wrote: »

Um, Joy, that's Mockingbird - mockingjays belong to a totally different universe.

You're right

But you knew who I meant

xydaxyda · March 2015

bazodee wrote: »

There is also the rumour that they are working for Stark in setup for AoU and Civil War.

It's all so exciting! :biggrin:

Darn that kind of makes sense...

riverocean · March 2015

bazodee wrote: »

There is also the rumour that they are working for Stark in setup for AoU and Civil War.

It's all so exciting! :biggrin:

That would work too. And just saying having an "earth for humans only" kind of mindset wouldn't make Mack or Bobbi villains. They truly believe they are doing the right thing. In fact, they are protecting the world from an Alien time bomb.

We've already seen the devastation caused in NY by the last Alien invasion. Now we find out that Aliens have "sleepers" among the general human population. This would set some very powerful forces in motion, to stop the threat.

novaninja555 · March 2015

Meanwhile, I am pretty sure you realized that after the season break, Ward and Agent-with-disfigured-May's-face have not been shown again. Any idea what happened? As in you know... News goes around; which I fail to catch up on.

jonsills · March 2015

novaninja555 wrote: »

Meanwhile, I am pretty sure you realized that after the season break, Ward and Agent-with-disfigured-May's-face have not been shown again. Any idea what happened? As in you know... News goes around; which I fail to catch up on.

Ward and Agent 33 are still out there. And as far as we know, Agent 33 has transferred her induced loyalty from the late Whitehall to Ward. Which should be interesting when they return...

joybuzzerx · March 2015

Only been two episodes of new SHIELD though, so hopefully we see more of Ward.

revanantmorituri · March 2015

sistersilicon wrote: »

This is why Marvel is setting up Inhumans now in Agents of SHIELD. They're the new hated subculture of superheroes, but they have far less recognition beyond comic book readers, so Marvel is taking their time to build them up before the Inhumans movie planned for 2019.

Frankly, I've always despised Marvel's pro-xenophobia story-lines. Seriously, is this the thought process we want to be encouraging in the new generation of superhero fans? That people who are different are "the enemy"? That they are "inherently dangerous"? That path leads quickly to an invocation of Godwin's Law. Sure, eventually the writers get around to the point that the xenophobes are asshats, and should be treated as such, but in the mean time, the damage has been done, both to the characters involved and the more easily impressed members of the audience.

I like my entertainment to include an element of Hope, and M:AoS keeps drifting away from that.

bulgarex · March 2015

revanantmorituri wrote: »

Frankly, I've always despised Marvel's pro-xenophobia story-lines. Seriously, is this the thought process we want to be encouraging in the new generation of superhero fans? That people who are different are "the enemy"? That they are "inherently dangerous"? That path leads quickly to an invocation of Godwin's Law. Sure, eventually the writers get around to the point that the xenophobes are asshats, and should be treated as such, but in the mean time, the damage has been done, both to the characters involved and the more easily impressed members of the audience.

I like my entertainment to include an element of Hope, and M:AoS keeps drifting away from that.

I always took the perspective that, by making so many of "the enemy" sympathetic, admirable, even heroes, these stories encouraged readers to look past the otherness of different people to their inherent humanity (in the character, rather than genetic, sense).

jonsills · March 2015

bulgarex wrote: »

I always took the perspective that, by making so many of "the enemy" sympathetic, admirable, even heroes, these stories encouraged readers to look past the otherness of different people to their inherent humanity (in the character, rather than genetic, sense).

That's pretty much it. Well, that and in their original conception, the X-Men were meant to echo teenage angst (onset of powers at puberty, misunderstood by everyone around them, oh-so-special) - the (IMO more apt) comparison to racial issues came later, when they decided to give Magneto a more reasonable excuse for his behavior rather than just being an Evil Mutant.

xydaxyda · March 2015

revanantmorituri wrote: »

Frankly, I've always despised Marvel's pro-xenophobia story-lines.

I think you have got it backwards...

these stories teach us to embrace and love characters who are different from us. We are supposed to feel sympathy for their struggles against a world that does not understand them.

artmanpwe · March 2015

Not all of Marvel's xenophobic story-lines are created equal anyway. Some flow organically from the actions/destruction in the previous ishes and sometimes solely on an administrative/government level; allowing people to fully get behind the aliens/mutants ('cuz gov'ment bad). Others are simply normal-people/civilians standing up after one use of power and; for little reason, growling, 'Grr, mutants... or aliens... doesn't matter. Let us ridicule and chastise them!' (These usually rub me the wrong way, because of the silliness).

As for Agents of..., this seems more of a 1970's Carrie, They're all going to laugh at you, deal...

...which, actually sounds pretty sweet; especially after Skye gets covered in blood and Coulson (or May) gets hit in the head with the blood bucket. (Fitz would be thrown outside before it all went down.)

bulgarex wrote: »

I always took the perspective that, by making so many of "the enemy" sympathetic, admirable, even heroes, these stories encouraged readers to look past the otherness of different people to their inherent humanity (in the character, rather than genetic, sense).

jonsills wrote: »

That's pretty much it. Well, that and in their original conception, the X-Men were meant to echo teenage angst (onset of powers at puberty, misunderstood by everyone around them, oh-so-special) - the (IMO more apt) comparison to racial issues came later, when they decided to give Magneto a more reasonable excuse for his behavior rather than just being an Evil Mutant.

xydaxyda wrote: »

I think you have got it backwards...

these stories teach us to embrace and love characters who are different from us. We are supposed to feel sympathy for their struggles against a world that does not understand them.

Doh! Scooped!

novaninja555 · March 2015

Hats off to the dude who talked about the Real Nick Fury and the Real Shield. That was a spot on!

What does the real shield do anyway? Since the fake Shield seems to be doing all the work...

jonsills · March 2015

All we've seen the "real" SHIELD do so far is infiltrate Coulson's team, and make Hunter shut up for a few minutes (which is anyway a pretty remarkable accomplishment). Oh, and it looks like they've got Admiral Adama in charge, so there's that.

xydaxyda · March 2015

I was more interested in the new villians and if they had counterparts in the comics...

jonsills · March 2015

xydaxyda wrote: »

I was more interested in the new villians and if they had counterparts in the comics...

The guy with the voice is Angmar the Screamer (I am informed - not familiar with him myself). The others appear to be new.

And between this division of the Index into "enhanced" and -- whatever they choose to call powered people, and the division of SHIELD into Coulson's team and the other guys, I wonder if they're laying the groundwork for Captain America: Civil War here.

artmanpwe · March 2015

jonsills wrote: »

The guy with the voice is Angmar the Screamer (I am informed - not familiar with him myself). The others appear to be new.

And between this division of the Index into "enhanced" and -- whatever they choose to call powered people, and the division of SHIELD into Coulson's team and the other guys, I wonder if they're laying the groundwork for Captain America: Civil War here.

Ah, Angar: The hippie super villain. Well, in the way back he was. This is probably a decent update.

So, I'm guessing Fury's/Coulson's group is Secret Warriors... ish, and Adama's group is HAMMER... ish.

jonsills · March 2015

artmanpwe wrote: »

Ah, Angar: The hippie super villain. Well, in the way back he was. This is probably a decent update.

Yeah, just looked him up. He used to dress pretty hippie; his power was to induce hallucinations with his scream (he called it the Mindstorm). This guy induces catatonia instead, which is a lot easier to show on TV.

WTH JUST HAPPENED? (Agents of Shield spoilers)

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