Fix and Adjust Telekinetic Maelstrom Debris Spam Lagspike already

avianos · December 2013

UPDATE: 24 March 2016
Telekinetic Maelstrom no longer scatters rock debris FX.
The power was fixed and no longer cause performing Issues
Thank you Devs!

Telekinetic Maelstrom a non-target 360 Degree Point Blank AoE from the Telekinesis Powerframe

This power is cool and efficient but it has a MAJOR Flaw that it hasn't been fixed the last 3 years I had been playing CO!

IT CAUSE TOO MUCH LAG FROM THE DEBRIS IT GENERATES

For every Enemy or Object this power hits, it creates Hundreds of DEBRIS Objects! The More Debris on Screen, the more LAG you and your Teammates will have

The Amount of Debris DO NOT SCALE with the Max physics debris objects slider like the Earth Powers do! but it's effected by the Visual FX Quality Which I have set on Medium and result to be still annoying! The Debris stop appearing when you set the SFX on low, but it destroys the Visuals you see on screen and not to mention THAT IT STILL EFFECTS OTHER PLAYERS' FRAME RATE

I was doing Warlord today with my MAIN TK-BLADE character, and I got scolded for using Telekinetic Maelstrom, the POWER that Blends with my FF Build Both in Efficient and Theme Spams a large amount of Debris!
I get Effected by the Lag as well I may add

Even if you put the visuals on low, it won't stop other players from lagging!

This should NOT be happening!

Please take a time and ADJUST this power

Either drop the Amount of Debris this power generates or Complety remove the Debris Effects

Other Powers that cause FrameRate to Drop:
Hurricane
Fire Breath
Fire Ball
Venomous Breath
Defile
Gas Arrow

and maybe more

flowcyto · December 2013

Yeah it makes me feel bad for using TK Maelstrom (esp if done before a cutscene.. dear lord the debris that makes o.0 apologies to any other players I've lagged out due to this- it wasn't intentional). Such a shame cause that spell is so powerful and has a great feel & aesthetic- I luv using it.

Unknown · December 2013

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avianos · January 2014

I would sacrifice the Debris to fix this power, right now it's a real treat and possible Tool for Trolling

Unknown · January 2014

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avianos · January 2014

Even if they make it scale with the Debris Slider, that wouldn't stop from Lagging OTHER players! They need to complety adjust the Debris ratio

Speaking of that, I got complains that I cause Lag to people while goofing around with the EARTH power frames :S

avianos · October 2014

/THREAD BUMP

Still Haven't been fixed and it's a Critical Annoyance which makes Avoid taking this power because of the Issue!
I have removed this power from my character because I was getting many complains that I lag people, to the point of being accused for being a Griefer
A lot of Crowd Controlers I come across on alerts use it, and cause both lag for me and for theirselves

If you use this power near Inanimated Objects you are just asking for your FPS to be killed

Cryptic please fix it, it's a shame for such power to get Scrapped because for Techical issues

flowcyto · October 2014

Sorry to hear that, avianos. I have yet to get complaints for TK Maelstrom use (though I should have the few times I accidentally used it before a cutscene), but I know just how bad the lag spikes can get. It'd be nice if the effects for this and others like Hurricane were toned down baseline, and the debris slider worked a bit better.

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avianos · October 2014

flowcyto wrote: »

Sorry to hear that, avianos. I have yet to get complaints for TK Maelstrom use (though I should have the few times I accidentally used it before a cutscene), but I know just how bad the lag spikes can get. It'd be nice if the effects for this and others like Hurricane were toned down baseline, and the debris slider worked a bit better.

Yeap, Hurricane also cause me lag, but despite that I am still using it, it's a Two-Edged Sword, Great Utility, Bad Tech Issues

gradii wrote: »

The extra debris can go, but the FX with the rocks being thrown, etc, should stay.

I agree, the Levitating Rocks should NOT be removed (it's freaking awesome Visual) Only the Debris needs to be touched

insaneyack · March 2015

Is it possible to get responses to issues like these? I never see any of these complaints addressed in the forums. Bumping this back up, for what good it will do.

notyuu · March 2015

Hell, even on my monster teir computer i experience a rather severe frame-rate drop [from 240fps down to 3fps] when the power is used to create debris objects...although i don't think that's the cause due to the fact that even if you set debris objects to 0 it still causes the frame-rate drop.

in a nutshell, his power NEEDS fixing as to not lag people to hell

avianos · March 2015

I will never use Telekinetic Maelstrom, will I? :<

I wonder what we need to do to get DEVs' attention for this subject

Contact TrailTurtle seems to be the only reason to do so nowdays >_>

theravenforce · March 2015

avianos wrote: »

I will never use Telekinetic Maelstrom, will I? :<

I wonder what we need to do to get DEVs' attention for this subject

Contact TrailTurtle seems to be the only reason to do so nowdays >_>

I personally dont get lag when I use this, at least not since a few months ago, (reason unknown), but I know it causes severe lag. I was in an Alert and everyone was frozen in time and then dc'd after I used it.

As it has been suggested here, remove the excessive debris. On contact with enemies/objects allow it to deal damage and apply stun but remove debris, there is simply no need for it.

Oddly enough, HURL, and hurl from NPCs causes alot of lag too. Would appreciate if something is done about that too.

crypticbuxom · March 2015

The only time we got something like this fixed was when ice powers were so harmful to gameplay in very much the same way. A group of players took one of the main devs through Therakiel Temple in a casual run, but the players deliberately chose ice builds to show them how bad it was. The devs immediately worked on the problem.

This was of course when the Cryptic was focused on CO so they had a big enough team to work on problems.

theravenforce · March 2015

crypticbuxom wrote: »

The only time we got something like this fixed was when ice powers were so harmful to gameplay in very much the same way. A group of players took one of the main devs through Therakiel Temple in a casual run, but the players deliberately chose ice builds to show them how bad it was. The devs immediately worked on the problem.

This was of course when the Cryptic was focused on CO so they had a big enough team to work on problems.

It may be an idea then to check if TT can record a mission where it is used or rather a player records it and posts it on forums. Preferably if TT was involved it would maybe have more of an impact.

roughbearmattach · March 2015

The next time there is some event hosted by TT or a dev, people should bring along heroes that have this power, and then spam it.

avianos · July 2015

HELLO i'm here to /Bump/ and /Pump/ this Thread again to get DEV's Attention to fix Telekinetic Maelstrom's Debris Spam

raighn · July 2015

TBH, I'm rather surprised nothing has been done about this at all... though at the same time utterly confused as to how the problem even exists... I've never experienced an issue with TK Maelstrom and I'm running on an outdated and failing AMD Radeon 5770 HD... I've seen countless complaints in zone chat about it over the years but personally I've never experienced the issues from it, and I run on maxed graphics even. The only time I've had framerate issues as a result of excessive effects was in an alert where a guy was spamming Avalanche, another was excessively using Cave in, yet another using Hurricane, another with an army of pets, and myself practically frozen in time unable to do anything for half the alert.

This sorta leads me to believe that there might actually be something else at play here causing the framerate issues for people with this power, but I can't really say anything definitively... for all I know it could just be dumb luck on my end that it's never once caused a problem for me.

Edit: went to test TK Maelstrom on one of my characters and still no framerate issues, but I did notice something else, that is really annoying me about it right now... the visual FX are GONE... no swirling vortex of psychic energy, no rocks lifting into the air... just myself levitating then a few rocks launching out of thin air... did they break something or am I just experiencing a graphics bug due to my failing video card?

avianos · July 2015

raighn wrote: »

TBH, I'm rather surprised nothing has been done about this at all... though at the same time utterly confused as to how the problem even exists... I've never experienced an issue with TK Maelstrom and I'm running on an outdated and failing AMD Radeon 5770 HD... I've seen countless complaints in zone chat about it over the years but personally I've never experienced the issues from it, and I run on maxed graphics even. The only time I've had framerate issues as a result of excessive effects was in an alert where a guy was spamming Avalanche, another was excessively using Cave in, yet another using Hurricane, another with an army of pets, and myself practically frozen in time unable to do anything for half the alert.

This sorta leads me to believe that there might actually be something else at play here causing the framerate issues for people with this power, but I can't really say anything definitively... for all I know it could just be dumb luck on my end that it's never once caused a problem for me.

Have you tested in Power Hourse? Or outside?
Try fully charge it in an area full of Objects (like chairs in RENCEN on in the area James Harmon is giving his Speech)
In what SFX Quality are you playing, I personally play on Medium , the Debrid complety dissapear in Low Setting

I noticed that too, there are people who can litterly spam it without causing lag to themselves and people who lag like crazy (including Teamates)
My Graphic card is ATI Radeon HD 4600 series
Which makes me believe that there is something between AMD and ATI users
Wasn't CO supported by AMD on the old forums banners?

notyuu wrote: »

Hell, even on my monster teir computer i experience a rather severe frame-rate drop [from 240fps down to 3fps] when the power is used to create debris objects...although i don't think that's the cause due to the fact that even if you set debris objects to 0 it still causes the frame-rate drop.

in a nutshell, his power NEEDS fixing as to not lag people to hell

^ Even Notyuu has issues with this power and her PC is a Gaming Beast Machine

raighn · July 2015

I actually did test it in a location with a large amount of chairs... and I run on Ultra with only a few things turned down, (just the distance stuff). I like the game looking at it's best and it runs just fine with everything on... CO is one of the few games I can still play on maxed settings....

avianos · August 2015

raighn wrote: »

I actually did test it in a location with a large amount of chairs... and I run on Ultra with only a few things turned down, (just the distance stuff). I like the game looking at it's best and it runs just fine with everything on... CO is one of the few games I can still play on maxed settings....

Ok Recently I Revised Telekinetic Maelstrom

SOMETHING HAPPENED here, something definitely happened here
it DOESN'T lag me to hell anymore, Stealth Fix perhaps?

Either that or the LAG only happens against specific enemies and objects

(oh and I play on Medium SFX)

EDIT: Nevermind, seems like the lag and the amount of Debris lagspike still exists

xrazamax · August 2015

I was not even aware of this. I never have experienced lag or even a sizable frame rate drop from using this power or others using it. I suppose now I'll know understand why if I ever see someone getting mad about me or someone else using it.

nbkxs · August 2015

I get zero lag from anything, except for the fx spam on the harbinger; because he's so insanely big. Running HD 5870 from about 5 years ago. But maelstrom doesn't bother me at all, and 5x hurricanes don't seem to have any performance impact either. I'm not sure what causes the problem for some folks. I'm running everything on max settings as well.

Fix and Adjust Telekinetic Maelstrom Debris Spam Lagspike already

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