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The Guns of God - How do I push 2gm to the limit
gradii
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Cuz I wanna make a toon in honor of all those who cry OP over 2gm, a priest or angel themed character who uses the holy 2gm, the Guns of God.
So I need suggestions on how to get the ultimate 2gm dps. I'd prefer not to use mini drive adv, so any suggestions not using that are welcome. ebon circle build fine.
So I need suggestions on how to get the ultimate 2gm dps. I'd prefer not to use mini drive adv, so any suggestions not using that are welcome. ebon circle build fine.
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Ego Primary, the usual spec trees. Ego/Dex all out.
That can get you up to 4k dps average.
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
Besides, if you're getting 5k or more without that then what's the point?
Post your build.
Entirely not on the build concept, but one of my alts, Parish, is a fallen angel that is looking to redeem herself through excessive use of firepower with 2GM (I even have a golden magical aura that appears on her hands in combat, just to tie in with the concept). My build certainly isn't OP, but 2GM has always been very strong, but to get good DPS, you DO end up pretty fragile. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
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Yes, just about anything can be made OP. It is of my opinion, however, that 2GM is inherently OP and given the tools we gave in game we can throw around 10k DPS for next to no energy cost using a power that we can start with (as in Tutorial start). You can push 12k if you really want to squeeze it for everything you've got. This...is Two Gun Mojo. I prefer the pre-buff version to be honest. The damage to energy cost was much more balanced back then.
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
I agree somewhat, but maybe going back to how it was pre-buff would make it a bit weak. If I remember correctly tgn was buffed by 60% but I don't think I would agree with a 37.5% nerf, I'd prefer something like 15%.
An besides, there are a few powers/mechanics that are a much bigger balance issue than tgm (things like high damage click attacks and AO/AD cycling).
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With the best gear I would rank ranged DPS damage as follows:
1) Power Armor (Rocket Punch full charges/Minigun/Micro Munitions w/Avenger Mastery DEX PSS)
2) Rimefire/Ice Blaster Hard Frost taps (w/Firesnake/Mental Storm [or Strafing Run if you can macro it]) (Guardian/Vindicator)
3) Ego Blast w/Mind Opener and Mental Storm (simplest build IMHO but TR is buggy)
4) 2GM w/Close the Gap and Mental Storm (maybe even add Rimefire) This is melee range but adding Energy Shield with Laser Knight with a melee debuff attack (Demolish or Shred) can add a lot of durability. [Tap melee attack just before blocking Gravitar's yellow and you'll see what I mean.)
Note: all this assumes unlimited energy (i.e. CoAP)
If we are talking just 100 ft range I would guess:
1) Power Armor (as above)
2) Other Power Armor with Guardian/Vindicator
3) Ice Blaster w/Hard Frost or Lightning Arc w/Thunderstrike or Ball Lightning
5) Defile/Infernal Blast/Firesnake
6) Force Cascade/Geyser
I haven't tested all builds so if anyone has more info on the above I'd love to hear your ideas.
Problem is, when ya start to throw in things like MS and SR into the equation, many (Ranged) builds can become competitive that otherwise weren't.
There are many melee attacks (mostly charges) that are close to (or over) 400 base dps, which is close to TGM (before the 10% -resist). So technically many melee builds, while not extreme damage (save for a few like Haymaker, or a couple of high-dps Slashing moves that can use Shredded), can def be up there.
Melee TGM w/ Close the Gap and R3 Demolish taps (not charges) is prob the best ya can get from TGM, aside from the usual supporting stuff like ES/NM, DUC, Conc, Quarry_TC_NW_KM_EF, etc.. and whether ya count throwing in things like MS and SR as still being a 'TGM build'.
In general, I do think TGM is a bit OP, more or less cause of its accessibility and sheer efficiency is tough to match. But in terms of unbalance there's def far worse culprits out there (more on the 'too weak' than the 'too strong' side, imo). Main thing I'd do for TGM at this rate is nix its 10% piercing and move it to AR instead.
- Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
Even back at launch and in the early years 2GM without being more then a solid stable power for its teir was in wide use. Many free forms figured out early on how few main attack powers where needed and that outside of serious pvp extreme survival builds where game breaking. So many took flavor powers, often with either weapons or effects with strong visuals for RP like certain spell looking ones or even simple auras.
Yet even in the early days people took 2GM to some amazing limits myself included.
Power Replacers for attacks like 2GM allowed for some wide diversity in builds beyond anything possible after the change. People used the Owl Screech craftable in the Arms line to turn 2GM into a reliable soft CC effect useful on even players at one time in the games history.
My personal fave was to make 2GM my main attack in an era when most built for FC spam for serious ranged.
I used the brainscrambler pistols power replacer, sadly never got the rarest version but had a step under which where damn shiny. This turned your pistol dmg in to psi dmg, which made it possible to be buffed by all kinds of things not normally useful to a 2GM build. Only new a few around the game and forums who had gone the route of the serious psi pistoleer and its the loss of my old account during all the huhaa of ownership of the game and my character Psike who Id happily to this day lose out on the superior statted main offense gear slot item to wear the old brainscramblers for that simple subtle build change impact.
Their to remove power replacers to this day is one of those bone head hand slap to the forehead WTF moments that helps me resist the old itch to play MMO.
Ill stick with games I get to choose how they mod up and what I want removed. Im done letting devs lacking the grey stuff between the ears they need make choices that make the games I enjoy less rather then more.
Its was in #3 for the long-range list. To me LArc is a bit more balanced cause it has more drawbacks and stipulations to optimize than does TGM.
- Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
That's an odd claim, I am fairly sure you are wrong.
How much dps are you doing with TGM and LA, and what are the exact builds?
You're overreacting.
There have been very few posts about someone actually preferring tgm to have lower dps.
Cyrone made one, then I replied to that, and flowcyto said he'd prefer the -10% resistance to be removed. That is much less than I'd expect from a thread about getting the highest possible dps out of one of the highest performing powers.
So how about those TGM and LA dps numbers and builds?