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hammer and sickle emblem only for nemesis
makforever
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Why heroes can wear symbol of hundreds of millions of death? 'Hammer and sickle' ist better than swastika and is also illegal in some countries. Im not sure if some peoples may even breaking theirs local law by promoting that symbol in internet.
So 'hammer and sickle' emblem should be allow only for nemesis.
So 'hammer and sickle' emblem should be allow only for nemesis.
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Same reason star should be abandoned.
So really. Get real.
Name the countries it's illegal.
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I can give You two examples:
http://www.rferl.org/content/moldova-communist-symbols/24725790.html
http://rt.com/politics/poland-bans-communist-symbols/
World War II casualties(60mlns)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
Communist casualties(85-100mlns) but I have heard about 300mlns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
Star isnt so obvious.
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In your first example its only band for political purposes there for would not be ilegalin in this context.
As for the polish one its a bit unclear the artical states
"communist attributes can still be used for artistic, research and educational purposes. Collectors will not be punished either."
Co would probably fall under artistic so again would be safe.
Also in both cases the law could be challenged in the EU courts leading to it being effectively side stepped.
Illegals just not what it used to be.
First off you really want the figures for casualties under the natzi regime as quating the world war 2 ones leaves your point wide open for "what about the casualties in war such and such"
Also for compleat ness I wonder what the death toll figures are like under a capitalist rule sure no mass killings but I wonder if the number of individual deaths are higher.
Even the Germans have banned the swastika...
And if you want to talk pure body counts, our beloved U. S. of A. would rank pretty high up there...
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Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
Thumbs up for OP. (or should that be banned since that was used to determine if people should live or die?)
I think OP should try to get region ban of the game for his country, i heard PW is keen for banning countries. Or try to get internet banned for the people promoting the Hammer and Sickle.
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Some people RP villains, and for that reason alone I have to disagree with you.
On the same note, and for the same reason I think a WW2 'iron cross' should be available.
Now I'm personally a bit ill when I see someone use the symbol for a 'hero', cause I know my history. Why pro-nazi's are reviled in the country and pro-soviets communists aren't?
I can't explain it really. Not that I don't know why, but this isn't the time or place for it.
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Like many former communist countries Russia reverted to pre-commie symbols. Right now Russian symbol again is two-headed eagle.
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Secound: Im sorry for making politics, I really didt predicted that communism could be debatable for You, I just wanted to ask about emblems.
My country had hard time with communism and I know that Im right but it seems that Im alone with my opinion here so I dont see point of this thread no more and I asking to close it.
I wish you all well no matter of yours views.
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Really? I did not know that, so I stand corrected...
And actually, I think that's kinda cool. Always preferred that one anyway...
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Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
As a double-standard concern has been raised with the initial post let us consider what applying a single rule accross the board would do.
If we made it ok for any symbol associated with a regime that commited or attempted genocide then the nazi version of the swastika could be added to the game.
If we banned those symbols of all regimes associated with genocide we'd...
ban the Turkish flag because of the Armenian genocide,
ban the Australian Flag (my own countries flag) for the genocide and attempted genocide of many of Australias indegenous peoples,
we'd ban the British Flag, the British not only were responsible for some of the Australian genocide attempts before it's independance but they invented the concentration camp!,
we'd ban the American Flag! Including the Travel power! Because amongst the many dark parts of American history (and i'm not ignoring the good bits, this is not an anti-american statement) is that the Nazi eugenics program was based on an American one! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States and let us not forget the concentration camps filled with innocent japanese americans after pearl harbour,
The same is true if we implemented bans based on the comitting of past war crimes, massacres of civlians, indiscriminate bombing, use of weapons of mass destruction, use of concetration camps and lots more.
Note that i am making a totally non-political non-partisan unbiased point. I am merely pointing out historical facts and the logical consequence of applying the same rule to everyone. I suggest that failing to apply the same rule to everyone would be the political stance.
No country has a monopoly on evil. Genocide, forced sterilisation, segregation, internment camps and massacres of racial/ethnic groups have been common atrocities comitted in most countries at some point in that nations history. As human beings we all should be ashamed and should be honest and uncompromising with ourselves about the terrible wrongs comitted by our own countries in the past.
While she has been rescued
what diabolical mastermind
was behind the devious brain-napping of
the Volterrific Dr Cerebellum?
That right there is some good sense.
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Humanity, from its birth, has been surrounded and infused by evil, by violence and hate and rage against oneself and one's neighbor, with "enemy" and "ally" changing on the whims of convenience.
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Either everybody agrees this is only a game and ALL symbols belonging to history should be allowed, including the most dreaded ones : eg : both svastika AND hammer and sickle in the name of "freedom" of speech/fun whatever
Either everybody agrees those are not "country" symbols but political ones and we remove all of them completely (as well religious symbols like star crescent, cross etc...)
But the problem is many countries have religious symbols on their national flag, and who will decide what is a "good" symbol and a "bad" one related to everyone's country history?
On the other hand comics-wise, many supervillains had such symbols : red skull, masterman, red guard, vanguard etc...it all pertains to united states history and their relationship toward them
If you take USSR supervillains in the 70-80's they gradually shifted to superhero when in real world the USSR dismantled...
I totally agree with the author of this post, being european for some countries seeing communist symbols is like seeing the svastika in a game in israel, so either we take into account the sensitivity of ALL or we dont take into account the sensitivity of ANYONE
from Superman : red son DC comics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Red_Son
Just replace the hammer and sickle by a svastika and maybe you will understand how pleasant this picture can be for european people who suffered from communism.
I have no love for communism, or as it is sometimes named "real socialism", I find this political system morbid.
Alas, I find this thread unnecessary and I am against calling for an unneeded censhorship.
And I see few people from Finland here. If they, people from the country which has NO reason for even slightest trace of tollerancy for the Red Scare, aren't offended, I think that OP is simply overreacting.
So keep your ban-hammer(and sickle:biggrin:) to yourself.
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Do i need to list every act of genocide and ethnic-cleansing war crime from the history of europe? The Aboriginal people massacred by the British for example? The atrocities against the native peoples of the Americas by a panoply of european powers?
What flag hasn't been soaked in the blood of the innocent? What european state has never been stained by the mistreatment of Gypsies or indigenous peoples?
While she has been rescued
what diabolical mastermind
was behind the devious brain-napping of
the Volterrific Dr Cerebellum?
The Greatest Evil In The World.
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Do you know how many millions of people died wearing the hammer and sickle to stop those wearing the svastika ? The war in Europe was not won only by Usa and England do you know?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union
And I am from an european country that suffered under the fascim and if someone had the guts to fight fascism..well he cannot be totally bad.
Trying to ban the hammer and sickle is a popular activity for neo-nazis in some parts of Europe and beyond, sadly.
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Oh yessss...are you talking about the wonderful communists heroes who signed the non-agression pact which officially made the USSR allied to the Nazi in 1939 ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
Officially instructing all the communists over the world to resist against "the imperialist war" and sabotage factories, planes and enforcing nazi propaganda along their own...bravoooo clapclapclap
They valiantly fought for love and liberty and flowers and blablah as soon as ...1941...And only because the Nazi invaded their land or else they would not have moved a single finger....So dont make me laugh:biggrin:
But you know : you convinced me : i will create a character named Captain North Korea (since all flags are completely neutrals right?) and he will wear proudly his neutral emblem of his neutral political stance on his neutral chest....
...oh wait....North Korea flag is not in the list...do i sense a bit of illogicality here ?:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
There's plenty of countries missing their flags. Is that illogical?
And why is still going on?
They are not going to remove the Hammer and
Sickle emblem.
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Oh thank you, i am so glad to have your authorization
Yes.
Because i choose to. If you don't like it, don't read it. And don't answer it.
Writing something in big letters
and in bright color
doesn't make you right.
Good.
I suggest same to you.
What you said.
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Is it still ok to create Captain North Korea? I am just asking... :biggrin:
Yes, and grats on necroing a thread.
A really old symbol associated with a nearly every Indoeauropean culture.
It was banned only to made it harder to use by neo-Nazi movements...
Nonetheless, the thing with a Hammer and Sickle being allowed in a pop-culture is a purely political reason, as it is still used by some legal political movements.
You'd have a very hard time trying to ban it from a PWE game when this symbol is still used by the ruling Communist Party of China, lol. :biggrin:
Anyway, this is simply how things are, better to get used to it as it is very unlikely to change.
My pet pevee is more with people using it on the Russian modern characters, especially when said characters are government approved heroes.
In-universe they would be simply requested to drop this symbol and roll with modern Russian insignias before being acknowledged by their own government, but I suppose it's just a critical research failure when making a character.
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