My Main Character - Design choices

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Additional question to the calc-geniuses: wotw vs aopm GO!

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• aiqa Posts: 2,620 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  glortor wrote: »

  Additional question to the calc-geniuses: wotw vs aopm GO!

  
  Questions like that are not easy to answer, it all depends on what you want.
  Do you want the highest damage out of the rest of you choices go with WoTW (assuming you have enough energy to spam all your attacks), if you want more survivability and still keep relatively good damage, and/or need more energy, AoPM is pretty much without equal.
  And since only you can decide what you want out of your character....

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Last one seems the most functional to me- others have Enrage but few moves to really support it as a toggle (main issue is ur main attack isn't procing Enrage, but is rather energy-heavy). Also, ur 2nd build isn't tech feasible atm due to the tier restriction on 100Hands.
  
  Also, if ur taking Compassion as the toggle w/ Seraphim, then ya want Rec or Pres as an SS. Seraphim is also not really boosting Dragon Kick (which ya need to proc Sentinel Mastery), nor is Dragon Kick giving ya Rush w/o a Focus toggle.
  
  I'd prob just use a variant of the 3rd build- taking FotT (and a Dex-focus) over Compassion, and consider changing the passive. Sentinel Aura already gives ya a passive healing aura as is, and Wither + the Mastery are quite nice in groups, as are the crit-heal boosts when using crit-able heals. A lunge would also help the build to have a cheap MSA trigger, but it may not be as essential to the build as long as ya have Rush and a fitting toggle.
  
  And yeah, just as in the other thread, much of the decision making (like what passive is 'better') mainly comes down to ur goals and what powers ya like or plan on using. That's not really for us to decide.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  flowcyto wrote: »

  Last one seems the most functional to me- others have Enrage but few moves to really support it as a toggle (main issue is ur main attack isn't procing Enrage, but is rather energy-heavy). Also, ur 2nd build isn't tech feasible atm due to the tier restriction on 100Hands.
  
  Also, if ur taking Compassion as the toggle w/ Seraphim, then ya want Rec or Pres as an SS. Seraphim is also not really boosting Dragon Kick (which ya need to proc Sentinel Mastery), nor is Dragon Kick giving ya Rush w/o a Focus toggle.
  
  I'd prob just use a variant of the 3rd build- taking FotT (and a Dex-focus) over Compassion, and consider changing the passive. Sentinel Aura already gives ya a passive healing aura as is, and Wither + the Mastery are quite nice in groups, as are the crit-heal boosts when using crit-able heals. A lunge would also help the build to have a cheap MSA trigger, but it may not be as essential to the build as long as ya have Rush and a fitting toggle.
  
  And yeah, just as in the other thread, much of the decision making (like what passive is 'better') mainly comes down to ur goals and what powers ya like or plan on using. That's not really for us to decide.

  
  I just wanted to see the figures but it seems to be straightforward then. WoTW if I want raw damage, otherwise AOPM. I definitely want to keep the str con solution.
  
  What are your thoughts on the rebirth/revive/etc? I don't see people die a whole lot in situations where a rez actually makes a difference, while rebirth is okayish sometimes but I really only get killed if I get impatient. I'd only use that as a means to be even more aggressive than I already am.
  
  The end of it is that while I love my current build, it's not doing much in helping my team, while I'm probably asking too much to be able to do decent damage, be survivable, and be able to take care of my team?

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  glortor wrote: »

  I just wanted to see the figures but it seems to be straightforward then. WoTW if I want raw damage, otherwise AOPM. I definitely want to keep the str con solution.
  
  What are your thoughts on the rebirth/revive/etc? I don't see people die a whole lot in situations where a rez actually makes a difference, while rebirth is okayish sometimes but I really only get killed if I get impatient. I'd only use that as a means to be even more aggressive than I already am.

  Yeah, here it is pretty much is as straightforward as taking WotW + melee role for pure dmg, or taking AoPM + hybrid role for the versatility.
  
  Rebirth can be good for pugging Rampages (namely F&I, or vs. Gravi w/ a squishier build), if ya can spare the slot for it. Otherwise, I find that its usually not needed, since the 5-min cd recovery packs or servitor serums can always pop ya back up w/o using a power slot (or just recover and run back if the instance doesn't lock-out). Main benefit to Rebirth is that, unlike the devices, its cd is affected by gearing- so it can potentially be used much more often.

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• selphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  How I'd solve this is as follows:
  

  • Need versatility → AoPM
  • Non-squishy → Str/Con/Int Juggy Wardicator (It's PvP standard for a reason)
  • Form → Enrage
  • How to proc Form → UR, get Haymaker as boss killer
  • Haymaker needs energy → Get MSA
  • How to proc MSA → Get Rising Knee and Conviction
  • Need to take care of team → Get Rebuke and a rez
  • Load the rest of the build up with The Works™ i.e. Ego Surge, MD etc etc

  
  Tada~:
  
  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Name:
  
  Archetype: Freeform
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Strength (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Glacier
  Level 6: Physical Conditioning
  Level 9: Healthy Mind
  Level 12: Body and Mind
  Level 15: Relentless
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Negotiator
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Radiance
  Level 1: Rebuke (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Unleashed Rage (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Aura of Primal Majesty (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 14: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
  Level 17: Masterful Dodge
  Level 20: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 23: One Hundred Hands (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 26: Rising Knee (Flowing Strikes)
  Level 29: Enrage
  Level 32: Divine Renewal (Rank 2)
  Level 35: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 38: Ebon Void (Voracious Darkness)
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35: Teleportation (Rank 2)
  
  Specializations:
  Strength: Swole (3/3)
  Strength: Physical Peak (2/3)
  Strength: Brutality (2/2)
  Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: Elusive (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
  Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
  Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
  Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
  Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)
  
  Swap Ebon Void for Unbreakable and steal points from Divine Renewal and Teleport to get it to R3 for AD rotation variant.
  
  Remember that one of AoPM's strengths is energy management. It can use energy-intensive high DPS rotations like Laser Sword that other passives have trouble sustaining. It also softcaps your additive bonus from Pre on top of Hybrid role's innate healing bonuses so your Rebukes are actually pretty good and you can always switch to Support role to make them even better.
  
  For a kick-oriented variant (Miya is traditionally a kicker iirc) you'd need to drop Enrage since kicks don't usually knock. Swap the following:
  

  • Str/Con/Int → Int/Con/Dex, Light on Int, heavy on Dex and Con
  • 100 Hands → Iron Cyclone with Vortex. Suction is more important than raw DPS on trash.
  • Unleashed Rage → Dragon Kick. Main AoE after pulling in with Cyclone.
  • Enrage → Form of the Tiger.

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• selphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Edit: Double post

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Its a good rewrite of the build, though I'm not sure making it more Haymaker-focused is what he's going for.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Haymaker really doesn't amount to much with 100h's dps. So there's replacing that too.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Haymaker will likely do more single-target dps due to its 50% knock immune bonus on full charge, but then you'd use it for single-targets and 100Hands for short-range AoE.
  
  If ya just want to focus on 100Hands and not use Haymaker at all.. then, yeah I'd follow the Focus toggle + Dex route- Enrage just isn't as easy to support it w/o becoming rather gimmicky. A focus toggle also adds another reason to use a move like Dragon Kick.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  flowcyto wrote: »

  Haymaker will likely do more single-target dps due to its 50% knock immune bonus on full charge, but then you'd use it for single-targets and 100Hands for short-range AoE.
  
  If ya just want to focus on 100Hands and not use Haymaker at all.. then, yeah I'd follow the Focus toggle + Dex route- Enrage just isn't as easy to support it w/o becoming rather gimmicky. A focus toggle also adds another reason to use a move like Dragon Kick.

  Well I definitely want to keep enrage and juggernaut. I detest dex primary for its utter lack of survivability.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  glortor wrote: »

  Well I definitely want to keep enrage and juggernaut. I detest dex primary for its utter lack of survivability.

  
  Alrighty- well Pounce gives ya a quick MSA trigger and enrage stack- could always alternate that w/ 100Hands I guess. Else, its the usual stuff for Enrage (Aggressor, UR, etc).
  
  Oh, and as low-defense Dex PSS is, Dex Mastery does mean ya can skip Severity gearing for bonus healing in offense slots- so its not completely w/o potential survival boosts. Its dodge options are pretty weak, though.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  flowcyto wrote: »

  Alrighty- well Pounce gives ya a quick MSA trigger and enrage stack- could always alternate that w/ 100Hands I guess. Else, its the usual stuff for Enrage (Aggressor, UR, etc).
  
  Oh, and as low-defense Dex PSS is, Dex Mastery does mean ya can skip Severity gearing for bonus healing in offense slots- so its not completely w/o potential survival boosts. Its dodge options are pretty weak, though.

  
  Yes, a friend warned me about that when I was trying to go dex primary on my first LR attempt.

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• taintedmess Posts: 446 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Rising Knee is a Knock and can also be a debuff I use it on a non KB brawler build I run

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Rising Knee is good, but not really for 100Hands since the crushing debuff gets eaten quickly by the first 2 ticks of the maintain for not much of a dps increase (prob not over just taking R3 Rising Knee, and at that point mine as well sub it with a lunge if ya want a gap closer- or pickup demolish's debuff and have a diff MSA/Enrage trigger).

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  taintedmess wrote: »

  Rising Knee is a Knock and can also be a debuff I use it on a non KB brawler build I run

  RK is excellent for haymaker and demolish if you want to make a boss buster.

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• selphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Don't use primary Dex, use primary Int for a Dex heavy build o.o
  
  Expertise buffs your HP pool and has bugged scaling with Dex in a good way. Detect Vuln will make your Haymaker slaughter F&I and Elite Lair bosses and Enlightened buffs your heals.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  selphea wrote: »

  Don't use primary Dex, use primary Int for a Dex heavy build o.o

  ^ This. I kinda went this way on another character just a moment ago.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  selphea wrote: »

  Don't use primary Dex, use primary Int for a Dex heavy build o.o
  
  Expertise buffs your HP pool and has bugged scaling with Dex in a good way. Detect Vuln will make your Haymaker slaughter F&I and Elite Lair bosses and Enlightened buffs your heals.

  I'd agree w/ using Int PSS and Dex+Con, but apparently he wants to keep Enrage + Juggy- so it'd be a Str PSS build anyways.

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• selphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  That's because he was comparing it to Pri. Dex!
  
  There's other ways to stack Dex and get amazing survivability. Pre/Dex/Con or Ego/Dex/Con with minimal Pre/Ego, FotT and Spirit Reverb for example.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  PRES/Int/Con or PRES/Dex/Con have started to rival Int PSS options for being my fave type of SS setups. Not for quite the same reasons, but the heal boosts are nice w/o taking too much of a dps hit (or practically none if ya have a means to roll Vulnerability on bosses).

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• monsterdaddy Posts: 790 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  glortor wrote: »

  Well I definitely want to keep enrage and juggernaut. I detest dex primary for its utter lack of survivability.

  Your distaste for DEX is unfounded. DEX primary can get an additional 18% defense bonus from gear so with Warden's 30% that a hefty 48% increase. Use a Justice Fitness with 2 R7 Impacts, and Best Defense/Agg Stance and DEX can easily hit 80%+ damage resistance from Defense alone.
  
  Now DEX primary also buffs Severity and Critical chance which improves your crittable healing like Conviction.
  
  If you want more proof, I have a DEX primary WotW Claws build in just Legion but she can solo Gravitar.

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• selphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  It's less EHP than Swole/Juggy or even Force of Will and Hardened so that already puts Dex below 4th place, i.e. below average for EHP.
  
  That's only relatively speaking ofc. Even the bottom 4 superstats for survivability can still do feats like solo Grav/Andrith with offensive passives.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Yeah, that's overselling a 18% bonus defense from gear a bit, imo (and assuming ya gear for extra Def over maxHP). Dex PSS isn't really the boogeyman here, though- the rest of the build and the gearing tends to decide whether ur really squishy or not anyways. Just that Juggy is really good in the era where nearly every build has Con SS (post-dodge rating nerf).
  
  Every PSS does seem to have some survival options, though- depending on how ya build/pick. Int has Expertise or Enlightened + Con, and + Dex for crit-heal boosts. Ego has Force of Will and crit-heal boosts (plus Ego mastery w/ Con_Dex). Con is Con. Str has Juggy, knock resist, and Swole. Dex has Gear Util, crit-heal boosts, and Dex Mastery. Pres has Force of Will, crit-heal boosts, and good innate bonus heal. Rec has Gear Util, 2nd Wind + cds, Rec Mastery + Con_Dex, and Well-Rounded. And End PSS has a very bad smell to ward people off from choosing it.

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• monsterdaddy Posts: 790 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  selphea wrote: »

  It's less EHP than Swole/Juggy or even Force of Will and Hardened so that already puts Dex below 4th place, i.e. below average for EHP.
  
  That's only relatively speaking ofc. Even the bottom 4 superstats for survivability can still do feats like solo Grav/Andrith with offensive passives.

  That extra 18% defense from gearing makes up about half of Force of Will's defense. (Which really means Force of Will is too wimpy IMHO.)
  
  Take EGO vs DEX as PSS. With the same gear we have EGO with 90% damage resistance vs. DEX with 80%. Yet DEX has more crit chance and severity and with a Justice Healing Glove and a Heal mod -- a bonus 60% heal vs. EGO's Justice Precision mod with a crit mod (assumes both have DUC). Plus DEX has 10% extra damage resistance debuff.
  
  So 80% vs. 90% damage resistance means DEX takes 6% more damage than EGO (1.8^-1/1.9^-1), Yet the DEX will heal for 50%+ more than EGO based on heal bonuses alone.
  
  I don't think EHP comes close to telling the whole story.

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• selphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Well Ego also has Ego Mastery for 300HP but yea it doesn't have the same freedom to pick up two Sentinel mods for healing, although I get a little uncomfortable seeing such a low base crit chance on either build :P

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• jimhsua Posts: 1 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  One thing: the justice set bonuses add a lot to survivability in a -idcator loop. Deriving the values, the offense bonus adds approximately a Legion's Defense + 1 Impact prism 5 worth of defense to a build, for free. This is enough to pull offense-y and heal-y builds ahead (DEX and PRE) in terms of balanced performance.

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• monsterdaddy Posts: 790 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  I oops'd on the Ego crit, Ego should be better.
  
  But in the scheme of things it does show a nice balance with Dex as adequate on defense for much more offense (if built well). And it does suit martial arts form melee builds very well.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Name:
  
  Archetype: Freeform
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Strength (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Devastator
  Level 6: Physical Conditioning
  Level 9: Healthy Mind
  Level 12: Boundless Reserves
  Level 15: Amazing Stamina
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Negotiator
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Radiance
  Level 1: Rebuke (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Unleashed Rage (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Aura of Primal Majesty (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 14: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 17: Roomsweeper (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 20: Dragon Kick (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 23: One Hundred Hands (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 26: Enrage (Endorphin Rush)
  Level 29: Unbreakable (Better You Than Me)
  Level 32: Ascension
  Level 35: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
  Level 38: Masterful Dodge
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35: Teleportation
  
  Specializations:
  Strength: Swole (3/3)
  Strength: Physical Peak (2/3)
  Strength: Brutality (2/2)
  Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: Elusive (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
  Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
  Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
  Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
  Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)
  
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  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Name:
  
  Archetype: Freeform
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Strength (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Devastator
  Level 6: Physical Conditioning
  Level 9: Healthy Mind
  Level 12: Boundless Reserves
  Level 15: Amazing Stamina
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Negotiator
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Radiance
  Level 1: Rebuke (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Unleashed Rage (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Aura of Primal Majesty (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 14: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 17: Inexorable Tides (Instep Crush)
  Level 20: Dragon Kick (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 23: One Hundred Hands (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 26: Enrage (Endorphin Rush)
  Level 29: Unbreakable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 32: Ascension
  Level 35: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
  Level 38: Masterful Dodge
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35: Teleportation
  
  Specializations:
  Strength: Swole (3/3)
  Strength: Physical Peak (2/3)
  Strength: Brutality (2/2)
  Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: Elusive (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
  Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
  Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
  Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
  Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)
  
  The main difference is utility vs damage, here. Roomsweeper seems to be overlooked. Its combination with Dragon Kick is very potent, but that way it slows down the rate at which I gain Rage stacks because of the knock-away factor. Which is why I added BetterYou on Unbreakable.
  
  Also, instantaneous knockup + root is very useful in places like Andrith.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  they both look pretty good. It seems like they have much close-range, short-reach melee AoE. Not that it's necc a bad thing, but I'm wondering if some of that redundancy could be helped. I guess it comes down to whether having larger-reach AoE is important to you or not.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Been wondering if I should get expulse there instead, for example. It does both knock and snare, if I'm not mistaken. What other options are there for aoe knocks? Something with damage possibly?
  
  I tried reverse polarity on E/W but knock-to doesn't seem to proc rage.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Odd that EW doesn't proc Enrage, cause I'd think it would. Still doesn't make it a bad choice, in light of procing MSA and being a near guaranteed 'pull-in' when charged enough. For Might or Enrage I'd prob just stick w/ Vortex Cyclone otherwise. The dps is low, but as Selphea said earlier its more about clumping things up so all of that juicy close-range AoE can hit more targets. Expulse is nice and flashy, but the scattering KB will be counter-productive to even the rest of ur build.
  
  Wide-reach AoE certainly is not essential to any build, though- its more of a QoL thing, ultimately.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  What is vortex cyclone under? I checked it under wind but, nope

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Sry, I meant Iron Cyclone w/ the Vortex adv- I just call it Vortex Cyclone for shorthand.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Chains don't fit this one, no... I'll go with either of the above, for now. Might look around for something with a ranged knockdown instead of knockback.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Heavily inclined towards Lightning Storm with Stolen Thunder here.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  If ya think it'll fit the concept (know ya had sparkstorm before) then go for it if ya want it. Its a costly AoE (and the KD is on the 1st tick), but AoPM should help w/ that.

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Aopm and int and capped cost reduction, yes. I'll test. Sparkstorm was another character.
  
  Here's the current idea:
  
  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Name:
  
  Archetype: Freeform
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Strength (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: The Devastator
  Level 6: Physical Conditioning
  Level 9: Healthy Mind
  Level 12: Boundless Reserves
  Level 15: Amazing Stamina
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Negotiator
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Radiance
  Level 1: Rebuke (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 6: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 8: Unleashed Rage (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 11: Aura of Primal Majesty (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 14: Molecular Self-Assembly
  Level 17: Enrage (Endorphin Rush)
  Level 20: Dragon Kick (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 23: One Hundred Hands (Rank 2, Rank 3, Ghostly Strikes)
  Level 26: Lightning Storm (Rank 2, Stolen Thunder)
  Level 29: Unbreakable
  Level 32: Ascension
  Level 35: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
  Level 38: Masterful Dodge
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35: Teleportation (Rank 2)
  
  Specializations:
  Strength: Swole (3/3)
  Strength: Physical Peak (2/3)
  Strength: Brutality (2/2)
  Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: Elusive (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
  Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
  Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
  Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
  Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)
  
  Question: is Rebuke reliable enough as a self-heal? I'm intending to solo stuff like Andrith and whatever else I haven't found yet. Heard there were a few.
  
  Question2 in relation to the first one: since I'm planning to solo, is aopm or defiance the better choice?

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,830 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Soloing lairs isn't what I normally do, so hopefully others can help w/ that perspective.
  
  Rebuke is decent, but if ya have high energy then Celestial Conduit taps will fill ur health up quite faster- you'll want the ability to deselect target or target urself to be convenient, though. Other heals that don't also double as damage spells will target you when solo, even w/o deselecting ur current target. That sort of usability may come into play when ur soloing, or may not really matter at all- depending on ur playstyle and setup.
  
  BCR/RR wouldn't be bad w/ MD, and the dmg penalty is counteracted by it not being a cast spell like a regular heal is, but it won't be a burst heal outside of MD uptime.
  
  Bionic Shielding is decent in this situation as well, but w/ the debuff it essentially becomes a short-cd burst heal- and can be tricky to not overheal with at times.
  
  Defiant would make soloing less intense (or at least less cd-reliant), but also knock down ur base dmg quite a good deal. Possibly would depend on whether ur doing this on Normal or Elite (and keeping in mind that farming is prob more efficient on Normal than on Elite, unless ur just going for the challenge of it).

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• glortor Posts: 331 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  Yeah I'm wondering about the math of the mana and damage reduction of defiant vs all the benefits of aopm, really re: which one is faster, being cautious with aopm or facerolling stuff but killing it slower, with defiance.

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• monsterdaddy Posts: 790 Arc User

  December 2014 edited December 2014

  DPS between AoPM and Defiance won't be much different as long as both solve your energy issues. Defiance may even be faster in harder content due less blocking and healing needed.

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