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Is CO the best Super Hero MMO ?
neverwinter1973
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Compared to that other Super Hero MMO I used to play, CO is better in my opinion. That " other " Super Hero MMO kinda falls flat after their level cap. They have a lack of missions so you pretty much repeat the same content over and over again which you have to pay for. CO seems to have quite a bit of missions from what I've seen so far.
That " other " Super Hero MMO isn't solo friendly like CO. I like an MMO that allows you to group up or solo instead of only being able to progress in a group.
The character customization is far superior and unmatched compared to that " other " Super Hero MMO. Not only can you customize your appearance in detail but you can customize your combat and powers. That's something I haven't experienced in any MMO other than CO at the moment.
That " other " Super Hero MMO isn't solo friendly like CO. I like an MMO that allows you to group up or solo instead of only being able to progress in a group.
The character customization is far superior and unmatched compared to that " other " Super Hero MMO. Not only can you customize your appearance in detail but you can customize your combat and powers. That's something I haven't experienced in any MMO other than CO at the moment.
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The others out there tend to either have you play as canonical characters established in real comics, or have you basically be their manservant/sidekick's sidekick.
To be honest though, Champions appears to be the only one based on a tabletop game, and I think that's the root of why it has that unique selling point, from those roots.
If say, someone made a Mutants and Masterminds or GURPS Supers MMO (do not ask me how a GURPS MMO would work because it would be NUTS I feel), then maybe Champions Online could maybe have some competition. But to be honest, CO has it's niche.
I personally would love for it to have a competitor that is roughly in the same 'be your own hero' genre thing. Adversity prompts innovation, which while we do have can never have enough challenges added to it to boost the creative juices.
(expects that somewhere in an office a dev hates me for saying they need more challenge to their work when I know nothing of how complex or awesome their job is)
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Two others either aren't traditional mmos, or have some fatal flaws.
They situation may change in the future, but for the time being CO isn't exactly surrounded with competition.
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At this point, the lack of attention pretty much speaks volumes about how little regard Cryptic has for this game.
That said, the other options manage to be even more horrible.
So, yes, this is the best superhero mmo.
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I will note that this is the currently existing crop, i have hopes for cot, havent followed the other 2 as strongly, but really if a super hero mmo with acceptable customization that actually has content made for it comes around, co would return to distant second where it had been. obviously a s startup with volunteers, i have questions about longevity, but since it can play even with servers down, it beats every other mmo out there by default.
Our competition isn't so great, and having had about 10 seconds of interaction with one of CoT's devs (trolling CO users on an article about us, to drum up publicity in about as unprofessional a manner as possible) I hesitate to say we're going to stay that way. I'd been sketch about that project from the start, but I've never seen a "game dev" act like that. She was worse than Phil Fish, and that project is gonna lack what made CoX so good in the first place: That incredible world, and those fantastic NPCs.
Rumor has it that CoX is possibly going to make a return. Which A: I'll believe when I see, and B: Valve is rumored to be involved, which might make it worth it if it does happen. Even still, I'll probably keep CO as my main mmo. CoX was great, but I prefer the combat and customization here. Imo, we've always had better gameplay. I wish we'd take some lessons from CoX about how the world was built, and the quality of the writing, though.
Sadly, if it's not orcs and wizards, it doesn't seem to stick around. Friggin EQ and WoW ruined mmos for us in that regard, for some stupid reason the public thinks an mmo isn't serious unless it's got elves in it.
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Yet here you still are, trolling the forums. You have the saddest life.
Golden ***** has nothing to do with CoT except pissing off all the people who're actually working on it. She has her own delusional project called "Heroes and Villains" which so far still only consists of concept art from her Poser software.
"She"? Do you mean Golden Girl? Because she has nothing whatsoever to do with Missing Worlds Media and City of Titans. She has her own project called Heroes and Villains, although it only seems to produce slapdash concept art.
EDIT: Dammit! Ninja'd by Kojiro!
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Instancing: Being able to grab my second account and just PL on my own instance in a room full of purple mobs was awesome. Doing the same for my friend so he could have a 50 in notime was also great.
Purples: They could drop from any mob level 47+ so gives another reason to farm.
Group content: We have Alerts and rampages, but outside of Apocalypse Aversion, I haven't seen any lengthy content that needs a group. Rampages do require multiple people but they are over in 20 minutes or so.
Variety in zones/early experiences: Yeah, you end up getting the Jewel of Hera about 1,000 times but you could go to several zones, a lot of zones in fact, throughout your career, Made the game more fun.
PvP: I've had fun in Zombie Apocalypse and some fun in B.A.S.H. but I miss the 8 v 8s, the super fast buffing and healing and the team rivalries.
Things I prefer in CO:
The Market: It's a lot more fire and forget compared to CoX, where I had to re-list stuff because people flipped or whatever...and there isn't a lot of variance in prices. Stuff is either "Expensive" (1,000G+) or "Decent" (200-700G) with no crazy prices.
The Costume Creator, Excepting Auras: I despise the Aura system here, it should have been account wide so all my characters can use them, but the face sliders are great. I also love capes early on and there's a good variety of stuff out there.
The Freeform System: This is obviously the game's biggest draws. I like making concept builds come alive and though you are "boxed in" by "needing" an active defense, a heal, an active offense, a passive...you still have a lot of room to grow.
Overall Champions is a lot of fun. If I could have my own instanced missions I could reset for loot/PLing it would be awesome.
Oh, and to hell with Golden Girl, what an annoying player she was...bleuargh.
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There are a lot of really significant flaws with this game, which is disappointing, because it could be really awesome. But it's still better than the alternatives.
Tell me how that constitutes a troll when the OP is asking folks' opinions on the game.
Also, 'still here,' actually I pop on about once a month to see if anything has changed. Or slightly more frequently... you see, for some strange reason the Neverwinter forum login doesn't work right on an iPhone, while the CO one does. So I usually log in on CO, then switch over to NW... but occasionally something catches my eye.
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Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
That being said, the only things in DCUO's favor is the lore and the travel powers. I guess the graphics are pretty good too. I haven't played Marvel Heroes, but why would I want to play that when I can't make my own hero?
I have to admit that I'm hoping CoT wil bring back the things I loved so much in CoH such as giant monster attacks and alien invasions that everyone could do, and I know a lot of people like villain play as well. I did love that they added reformed villains and evil heroes at the end, that was kind of cool.
I'd really love to see some improvements as well. Dynamic content would be awesome, or hero/villain open world missions. There's a lot of things that could make a superhero mmoprg feel more immersive.
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Avengers Alliance is something that continue to be actively improved.
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The reason some people think it is trolling is becuase people like us cannot give out opinion since it is not "Champions is the best eva" type of reply.
And for the question no I do not think it is the best out there, it is the only one worth a weekend try.
Otherwise the combat is your standard tab-target style encounters that many mmos will have, and even then they're generally less intricate and involved than what you would find in more high-action tab-target mmos, so if you're looking for a more action-based game you'll want to look at one of the other superhero mmos out there. The action in CO is generally very casual and involves a lot of mindless spamming (of course some people like that).
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Indeed, I still like more CO combat over DCUO but it is a matter of opinion.
Regardless of the technical details, DCUO and MH are better than CO since they are getting frequent updates and advertisement and CO is not.
Why would anything else matter?
And like Gradii pointed out, you're a sidekick. Hero side you choose either Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman as your mentor as part of the tutorial. And they basically tell you what to do the rest of the game. I must admit that I like how you can explore a bunch of DC locales, and interact with DC comics characters. It's especially fun on the villain side. But, the novelty of that is limited. (Honestly the reason I quit DCUO was that thing where their account server got hacked. My password got changed and I was never able to login again, OR get any sort of assistance from customer support.)
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ARPG. The A stands for Action. That's what those types of games are called.
You are a hero in DCUO. Do you really think Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman is going to spend time helping some putz? Having a mentor does not make you a sidekick, it just means you have a lot to learn. You know, going with that story thing the game has. Clearly, your character is powerful enough that the heroes don't have to sit there and babysit you 24/7 like they do with actual sidekicks.
If giving you mission makes you a side kick, then everyone in this game is a sidekick as well. Maybe you didn't notice all of those mission the Champions gave you?
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In other words, you start off as being nothing more than a plot device to get the NPC into the action.
Now, mind you, DCUO is much more in your face about it. In CO you have more missions unrelated to Champions or UNITY, but you still have a lot that are.
The degree to which many people complain about it is a bit overstated, IMO.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
In the current market, I feel that CO is the best one.
For all time? I still have to grudgingly give the nod to COH. No matter how I may have felt about that game, or how much I loved CO (especially since I could get in on the ground floor of it), when you compare peaks, COH had the numbers hands down.
I always find it interesting that these types of discussions always ignore the positive features of DCUO and gloss over CO's negatives. Another thing I find interesting is that you NEVER find these types of discussions on DCUO forums. The only time I see CO mentioned is when people complain about names being unavailable, which, btw, is such a wonderful feature here. I'm thankful that Cryptic allowed me to name my character regardless if it's been taken.
If I had to sum it up, I'd say DCUO is created by people who love the Superhero genre. CO is created by people who are somewhat familiar with Superheroes, maybe they've seen a few movies and picked up a few trades but there's waaaaaaay too much missing from this game to make me believe Cryptic loves the genre (sorry, but even Tumerboy said he wasn't a fan of Superheroes).
Look at the end of the day, are you having fun here? What difference does it make proclaiming which game is the greatest? Why do you need to validate your opinion? Just enjoy both games for what they offer. A rising tide lifts all boats.
Ice is default/main tank? There's no Brick powerset?
Man wut?
The travel powers are awesome, as is the integration of travel 'moves.'
The controls are, again, utterly wonky (at least for PC play). And chat... Uh.
DCUO is better supported and the graphics are awesome, though.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
Anyways, as someone with some familiarity with other Superhero comics other than DC.... It feels very superhero to me, NOT DC, but superhero. I constantly find myself drawing parallels to Marvel characters, and sometimes Image or Darkhorse. Yeah, CO has a bunch of things where people go, "please help us mighty hero!" whereas in DCUO it was more like, "Oh, you're with Superman? I guess you can help out." If you mean that Clash of Titans game Blizzard was tinkering with.... that died while it was still in the concept stage.
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My list is:
#1: Champions online
#2: Valina World of Warcrft
#3: Guild Wars 2
etc...
Towards the beginning of 2010s, (2008-2011) the recession in the economy began to affect the MMO development world in a drastic way. The game developers' fetishistic obsession with balance began to taint their gaming philosophies forever (Fun Vs. Practicality). This was the moment where the segregation among the gaming community became acute (Rich vs Poor).
The two balances the developers constantly struggled against were:
1. Class balance
2. Pay 2 win balance
Champions online integrated the c-store in a very mild way, allowing hard working(in real life) casual players to have fun with their extra money without sabotaging the gameplay through pure pay 2 win.
It's also one of the last generation MMOs to embrace a complete freedom and the chaos that came along with it.
In other words, developers just don't make MMOs like they used to anymore.
That is why Champions Online is so precious and still going strong despite its age.
I think the weight of existing lore is the unsolvable problem of DCUO. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman cast shadows so hyumangous big, you can't possibly get out from under them. Meanwhile, nobody outside of PnP circles ever heard of the Champions, and CoH built their lore completely from scratch. Cryptic never had to worry about undercutting Defender or Statesman. And, to be honest, Marvel wouldn't have this problem, either. They spread the love around so much better than DC that you could spend hours arguing over who their Big 3 is.
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It's not that the JLA took center stage, it's just that the core premise was that "the team" were a satellite group affiliated with the JLA, though not full members.(at least not at first)
I had a lot of awesomeness. Like seeing Wonder Girl slug it out with Lobo. But the JLA are THE core team of Superheroes in DC. And the big 3 are the leaders of the JLA.
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So if you want to be a french speaking naval captain modelled after Napoleon who uses a saber and a flintlock, yes you can.
If you want to be a arcane monstrosity, fusing the aura of a cat onto a human, creating the most evil of beings, a catgirl, then yes, you can.
If you want to shoot lasers out of your face and call yourself Shoop Dawg, yes, you can, and you will probably Da Whoop.
It would be interesting if we started up another thread and each wrote a single feature we would consider essential to a superhero game, and see what the common consensus is and then compare that to what is on the market or used the data to create a survey of what players value and get people to fill it in.
I work so much that it's nice to log in for 1/2 or an hour and feel like I had some fun. Fun is what mmo's are about.
I used to play LOTRO but it's too bogged down and takes like 5 hours and lots of specific planning to do some of the raids. Mounted combat and difficulty of raids ruined it for me.
Used to play The Secret World until they added AGIES or whatever it is where you had to slot specific things (forget what they are called) to go through the armour before you could kill them. That ruined a nice game for me by making it completely cumbersome.
So I am enjoying champions again and have played it on and off since getting a lifetime sub when it first came out. To my delight, when I came back they had vehicles and streamlined crafting, and added alerts. Loving the fire and ice and gravitar.
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