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Secondary Q-items overrated and overpriced?.
diggot
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2 days ago i got my final piece of the 3piece set for seconday Q-items for 11k each,
and i was hesitant from the start if it was actually worth all that grind to get the 33k needed,
simply because granted they have 25% damage bonus with 3/3, but the amount of other stats
that are lost ... it didn't seem worth it. But everyone kept saying that are the best secondary items.
So now i have them. On my Ego-blade build i went with the +25% non-physical damage since
ego-blades (hopefully) aren't counted as physical, eventho they are melee.
But here was the BIG letdown.
My Ego-surge went from 42sec CD to 58 seconds, and counting the amount of crit lost
over those seconds, its a HUGE dps-loss for equipping "the best secondary" items.
And then there's the insane stat-loss. My blue/purple secondary had +30 stats on them for
the superstats. The Secondary Q-items has +19 i believe, and then +8 to the other stats -
and that's about it. So the amount of stats lost ALSO impacts the dps further.
So.. in my opinion, based on these facts, i would say it's pretty evident that spending 33k Q
on these items once you are 40 - is a complete waste of time unless you simply don't have any items,
but it would still be better to buy items from AH for 5g per piece then spending 11k Q on each of these items.
Anyone else who care to disagree and can proove me wrong?.
and i was hesitant from the start if it was actually worth all that grind to get the 33k needed,
simply because granted they have 25% damage bonus with 3/3, but the amount of other stats
that are lost ... it didn't seem worth it. But everyone kept saying that are the best secondary items.
So now i have them. On my Ego-blade build i went with the +25% non-physical damage since
ego-blades (hopefully) aren't counted as physical, eventho they are melee.
But here was the BIG letdown.
My Ego-surge went from 42sec CD to 58 seconds, and counting the amount of crit lost
over those seconds, its a HUGE dps-loss for equipping "the best secondary" items.
And then there's the insane stat-loss. My blue/purple secondary had +30 stats on them for
the superstats. The Secondary Q-items has +19 i believe, and then +8 to the other stats -
and that's about it. So the amount of stats lost ALSO impacts the dps further.
So.. in my opinion, based on these facts, i would say it's pretty evident that spending 33k Q
on these items once you are 40 - is a complete waste of time unless you simply don't have any items,
but it would still be better to buy items from AH for 5g per piece then spending 11k Q on each of these items.
Anyone else who care to disagree and can proove me wrong?.
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"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."
~me
any power will be tagged either ranged, melee or DOT
1 Non physical damage
A paranormal damage
a ego damage
b magic damage
c dimensional damage
B energy damage
a particle damage
b electric damage
c sonic damage
C elemental damage
a toxic damage
b ice damage
c fire damage
2 physical damage
A physical damage
a slashing damage
b piercing damage
c crushing damage
as far as whether they are worth it is up to you 11k q is a very small price
i usually get them for new level 6s and level up with them and drop for better gear when i hit 40
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dimensional is darkness and celestial power sets also some advantages in martial arts : unarmed
33k Questionite for the entire secondaries set is not too much.
They are mostly leveling gear, though.
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Besides that, i think we all can conclude that these items ARE useless for a L40.
/case closed.
however due to cryptic match you are only getting a 12.5 damage boost of actual damage
imo, the dmg-boosting Q gear isn't worth it. The 25% set bonuses are additive dmg, and thus get hit hard by diminishing returns (at least if ur an FF) as ur gear/level gets better. Armadillo's 25% dmg resist is also subject to DR- but for builds w/ low defense, like glass cannon ATs, 25% extra dmg res does help a good deal.. even if it get diminished a bit.
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vigilante secondaries are the best
You can get scaling stats for Alerts afaik, and on top of it you do not have to switch gear whenever you level (and the AH is really empty of good gear most of the time). The set bonus is the icing on the cake.
They are good for FF build to fill the holes while leveling:
-The defense one is great for offensive or support passives that need survivability. I use them on several characters.
-The offensive ones are useful on defensive or support passives or if you are using IDF. Even though their damage are addictive and so the bonus is much less than expected you still recoup the addictive damage lost to these power choices.
At lvl.40.... depending on the builds you probably lose too much in stats for an optimized build. As you pointed out CD reduction and Cost reduction were lost in the shuffle for these sets and for that they are at abig disadvantage.
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Though Im getting to the point where there isnt much left for me to buy with Q aside from the way pricey TPs and vehicle weapons, and the exchange is out of the question as well. I may try building a toon with some of this gear to see how it goes.
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Your wish was granted years ago. Welcome to the 2014.
And, i haven't touched the Q-secondaries, don't see a point.
And playing by myself since Aug 2009
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I don't find the damage boosting ones to be useful - except for one character, a Night Warrior / Regen "flying claws scrapper" type. There, the damage boost may not be a lot, but it was noticeable, and the loss of stats wasn't a huge big deal. Wasn't really a big difference either way, but tooltip damage was higher.
Armadillo secondaries, on the other hand - my leveling gear for pretty much all my in-progress characters is Nemesis primaries, and Armadillo secondaries. Especially for anyone without a defensive passive.
I first tried it on an AoPM character - squishy! - and it worked so well that it's just my standard now.
I typically gear 40s with Silver Champion Recognition primaries and unique secondaries, but sometimes the Armadillo gear still gives that extra bit of protection. I have it on a regen Gravitar tank - and now I can block through yellow bubbles and live. Couldn't without the extra boost from Armadillo. So, even though it's per character, I don't consider it a waste as it can come in handy for some fights to have a build that uses the Armadillo, even if it's not the usual gear.
Hi.
You lost a duel yes?
use vig gear to boost your primary SS and slot mods for your secondry SS into your primary gear (3 mods per secondry stat) and you'll end up pretty balanced, doing a nice amount of...everything.
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Yeah some things are broken... no I don't use/abuse them.. where would be the fun in that?