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FC.31.20140602.29 PTS Update
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This build is scheduled to hit PTS at 1:00pm, 8/20/2014
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FC.31.20140602.28
FC.31.20140602.27
Release Notes for FC.31.20140602.29:
Preview:
Steel Crusade:
Reawakened Automaton:
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FC.31.20140602.28
FC.31.20140602.27
Release Notes for FC.31.20140602.29:
Preview:
- The new Eye Auras no longer show through the back of your head.
- The new Eye Auras now all have icons.
Steel Crusade:
- The two brain instances now have sound.
Reawakened Automaton:
We have created a thread specifically for feedback on this new archetype. Please post about it there rather than in this thread.
- The Energy Builder has been switched from Sonic Blaster to Wrist Bolter.
- Grapple Gun Pull has been replaced by Gauntlet Chainsaw.
- Bolas fills the hole at 21 where Gauntlet Chainsaw previously was.
- Ego form has been replaced by Ego Surge.
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Bug
Where it happens
What happens
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It's actually at 17.
That'd make a nice fix for the passive actually.
Edit:
I mirrored this to the appropriate AT thread.
I'd also like to note here that this would be an excellent opportunity to give us the option to change color schemes for the gauntlet chainsaw or other gadgetry abilities. Right now, we're stuck with pretty narrow thematic choices, and giving us some more color options would be most helpful.
I think this may be the last we'll ever hear of this power. <_< R.I.P.
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Sorry.
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...I Want that perk now.
From how this new type of AT, the "Reawakened", reads, the AT comes with exclusive powers that you can't get on FFs till you get that AT to level 40. So, now you have a reason to level the AT to 40. To unlock Rocket Fist and AotM for FFs. Rocket Fist is fun, and AotM has potential if they give it another way of stacking instead of through KBs.
Yea yea i've read the whole what the "Epic AT" Awakened Thingamajig is.
It's still no, i don't find Rocket Punch worth of going thru 1-40 with an AT. Or AOTM.
Yea, the fun factor of Rocket Fist is, its a flying fist!! A Flying Destroidbot Glove!!... I do just fine/better and more concept wise with Tactical Missile.
Sorry, Homey don't play dat.
Hopefully this AT thing is the 1st and last time how they introduce new powers to the game.
And i can have fun with Rocket Punch by using Destroid Leader Bot device, which has more unique powers than this "Epic AT".
Or make it a Boxing Glove.
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This is pretty sad commentary, but even this second iteration of the new AT is still pretty lousy.
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Fix either of those, and I'll be happy.
If it had a bunch of neat powers that fill in interesting-but-untapped niches (Like, oh, maybe the Quantum Stabilizer passive, or a Form that supported laser sword better than Form of the Tempest), then it'd be worth levelling.
If it had a bunch of interesting cosmetic options for existing powers (fire breath with a hand emanation point for a flamethrower attack; gun arm options for munitions powers; that sort of thing), then it'd be worth levelling.
If it was a really well-built AT that only gave me Rocket Fist, that would also be worth levelling.
As is... not worth it, won't bother.
Right now the Automaton feels really lackluster. It's looks like the kind of thing a new player would put together for his/her first build. Which is disappointing. Personally, I think it needs it's own unique passive, and it's own innate talent. Those two things alone, could go a long way it making it feel "special".
If it goes live just as it now - a lot of players are going to be disappointed. Especially, because of how it was hyped in the initial press releases.
There's still time for change though. So we'll see what happens.
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....then I can test the AT as well as other things. Consider this a "Quality of Testing" addition.
...pretty please.
P.S. And the juggle emote for the anniversary? Also pretty please. :biggrin:
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I also made a post about the Automaton that I ensure would be the best course of action for it and the new powers. Something that will allow players to choose full melee, full range or mix both up.
Bug: Still can't see Sparkle, Streak and Sharp Auras.
If they really wanted an "Epic" feel, then it'd go out on a high note- w/ an awesome new power it gets at lvl 40. Maybe another good ultimate, since we don't have enough of those.
That.. could easily be epic. I dun want to feel like I'm hammering the devs, cause they must feel floored w/ all this negative response atm. But if they want an epic feel, that'd be one way to secure it - even if the rest of the build couldn't deliver much.
I ain't even gonna try suggesting something; at this point again I'm lost as to the intent of it all, and at some point its just their job to deliver on. My answer to them now would simply just be: "Surprise me"
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I'm with Finn and the others here. It's just two 'new' powers, one from that older Destroid Commander become. Rocket Fist and AOTM are nice additions, but I'd really want more new powers specific to the Automaton to justify spending time and resources on leveling. Make a new passive, a new buff, a new kind of block, even, Cryptic North.
Really, those two powers could be added in without a huge content update like this and I'd have been more satisfied, with how the AT's been hyped up to be full of new powers. I can only hope that Cryptic North can put together more new powers, perhaps from Black Talon. Even if they were different animations and emanation points for powers we already have, I'd be more satisfied.
That being said, I'm enjoying the mission aspect of the update. The first few missions have been nice, and it's fun to have a mission that starts out with saving lives, rather than 'Punch X of Y Mob type, wash, rinse, repeat.'
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Two powers! Not a very well thought out concept. Bad mish mash of powers.
Synergy, nil.
Very disappointing.
I do however thank Cryptic North for the new mission set up and the work done on the project itself... excluding the AT. Very well done. And not forgotten.
1) Quantum Stabilizer
2) Make AotM stack on something useable in a boss fight. (Preferable full charge or full combo).
3) A new ultimate power that doesn't suck.
4) Make this AT fit together in a way that's playable.
These four things would make everyone happy with the AT, I think.
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No, AotM is just too powerful so while it remains so strong (as if we needed stronger powers) that makes it a necessary power, and basically makes all other toggles worthless. So until that problem is fixed making AotM require anything more would be overkill. And the excuse of it being an epic power is not good enough. It buffs both ranged and melee equally, that's good enough.
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Right now? It buffs both by negligible amounts, because you can't stack it. "Good enough"? Well, I guess if you like the current state of mini-mines, that might be good enough...
My suggestion is to have it stack on completing a combo or fully charging a blast power; compared to current forms, that makes it much slower to build stacks, and totally incapable of building or maintaining stacks while not in combat. The tradeoff, then, is that the stacks you get are slightly more useful if you happen to be using both ranged and melee powers.
Edit: Oh, and it should have a giant growth advantage. Because, seriously, giant killer robots.
If made easier to use as it stands now, it will end overshadowing all other toggle forms because there's not enough damage bonus sacrificed for flexibility.
False. If it's made much easier to use - for example, stacking on all charges, rather than just blasts - then it could overshadow existing toggle forms.
But the version I suggested? Literally none of my existing characters would want to swap to that. I can imagine a few builds that would get good use out of it, which is why I suggested it, but most builds would prefer the superior stacking conditions offered by Concentration or Enrage or Form of the Tempest or Form of the Tiger or... etc.
Edit: Oh, and don't forget that it's not currently granting energy on stacks, either.
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Yes, because energy is such a hard thing to get in today's game with so many powers that give back energy now, and really, getting nearly 16% more damage with 8 stacks isn't enough to change? Interesting theory, so tell me in what universe would that equals less because if you change the trigger condition 8 stacks is easy to get. Changing the condition to half charge powers, you know how easy it is to spam half charge on many powers?
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..Why do your names have a space at the start of them? Is that a PvP thing, to make your character hard to target with a quick custom bind?
Interesting strawman. Who suggested half charge? Um... nobody? Except you, as an example of a condition that'd be too much. (Which, incidentally, it would be - funny, that, I wonder if maybe that's why nobody suggested it?)
But there are options inbetween "brokenly unusable" and "brokenly overpowered". There are options between "not practical to stack, ever" and "stacks to 8 if you look at your screen funny".
Pick something that makes it usable, but still less convenient, and then it's a fair tradeoff - slightly more damage once you really get going (remember your "nearly 16%" is additive and subject to diminishing returns and you'll be lucky if you see an actual increase as high as 4%), but it takes longer to get there and you can't keep stacks if you're not constantly fighting and you don't get energy back from it.
Wow, that sucks. However, can't you just debugger a character to 40 to get a new slot? Repeatedly?
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Even at a full charge outside of the ridiculously hilarious powers, that's not hard to reach. Almost 16%, an increase is an increase and if it's that much better people will pick it. Really, do you think it's that hard to charge powers, I do it quite regularly on all my characters and saying it would still be hard to get a full 8 stacks is really the straw man part. Also trying to hand wave the damage increase is indeed an additional straw man.
You are really underplaying how much more that would do in the long run.
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I'll just keep it simple. Level a toon to level 40...new toon unlocked. Thats how it works. Until you hit the max (which is above 100 toons if I remember right). So, just use debugger to make all your toons level 40 and you'll have all the toon slots you need. Or have people forgotten about this?
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You don't actually know what "straw man argument" means, do you? Contrary to popular use by internet trolls, it doesn't translate to "something I didn't want to hear". A straw man argument is where you argue against a ridiculous extreme position that nobody actually holds, and hope that the people following the argument don't realize you're putting words into other people's mouths.
For example, if I were to start with your "an increase is an increase" statement, propose an alternative form power that grants 1% more damage at full stacks, loses stacks the instant you leave combat, and gains one stack every minute you're in combat, and then point out how ridiculously useless and underpowered such a form would be... that would be a straw man argument, because you never actually suggested such a power in the first place.
So, to re-iterate my actual position: I am suggesting that Aspect of the Machine stack on completing a combo or fully charging a blast power. I am further suggesting that this is a relatively niche form, since not all builds actually use combo powers or blast powers, and even those that do may not be built around spamming combos or spamming full-charge blasts. And that this has further disadvantages in the form of not granting energy, and not being able to maintain stacks outside of combat.
Against this, you are holding that a +16% additive damage bonus above other forms makes it "that much better" that "people will pick it". Objectively, I can tell you of one person who wouldn't: Me. I would use it to create a couple of new characters that could make use of the niche proc conditions, but none of my existing characters would benefit from switching forms.
Outside of myself, of course, I can only extrapolate that other people would similarly see it as a niche power designed to work with certain sorts of unusual builds, and not as serious competition with any existing form. Your opinion may (and clearly does) vary.
It's kettle. Not spoon. Just saying...
This new form would be amazing for my "dream build" being that it buffs melee and ranged equally while scaling with str or ego if only it didn't have a worthless way to build stacks. I mean, I like stabbin' and shootin' as much as the next gal, but I also participate in boss fights and team content. As long as it doesn't proc on knocks. Having it stack on combo finish or full charges would be good. And I don't even care how much it buffs per stack (as long as it's > 0) since it's going to be crippled by DR anyway.
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Actually... no, we can't agree on that.
If it ends up very easy to stack, then I could agree with that. Maybe, stacking on half-charges, half-maintains, or combo attacks. That would be something that should have a lower damage bonus, because it would gain a great deal of ease-of-use instead.
If it ends up difficult-but-not-impossible to stack, like stacking on completing a combo or fully-charging a blast attack, and it continues to not give energy, then its current damage scaling is fine. (Or, it should be equal to enrage's melee bonus / concentration's ranged bonus, and give energy. That works too).
Basically, there are no absolutes here. A power that granted +1000% damage bonus is underpowered if it also kills you after 3/4 of a second - it'd show up on some joke pvp builds, and nowhere else.
It just seems like a no-brainer. The current stacking mechanic doesn't seem to be working out too well.
Then you would have a valid choice of using a normal form for energy and advantage points, or this AotM for stable and versatile damage. Considering the fact that some powers, like Crushing Wave, are terrible for use with Concentration, AotM could fill a very important niche.
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Actually I do, nice of you to try and think I don't though. What you did to underplay the power is straw manning. It's much better than you make it out to be.
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The one disagreement we have here: Weaker per stack while letting you stack melee and ranged = stronger overall. I'd rather run in with plasma beam firing and then hose someone down with a melee move. Appreciable is where we might agree, though. I say difference as 10% ish on full stack. That'd still make those builds viable, if not more than.Your melee or ranged would be slightly lower than a dedicated melee or ranged. That flexibility makes up for it. You best believe I'd be rocket punch -> haymakering my happy little butt off in such a scenario. We still have passives to take into account, though. Besides the afforementioned ebon destruction, does any passive buff ranged and melee equally? I mean flat dps, not a passive like AOPM that just gives a flat buff to all.
Something like this would probably help hybrid range tanks a ton. They do kinda need it.
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Try MA or HW or Might with Stormbringer/Earth Form/Quarry for one.