Need some advice - Sithlord build.

diggot · August 2014

I've created a costume based on my favorite star wars character Darth Malgus,
so i set out to build the powers accordingly to what a master of the evil forces would use.

It created a problem with no direct healing, only heals based on darker means such as drains
or a type of focused use of power to heal the body.

http://powerhouse.nullware.com/powerhouse.html?v=9&n=&d=1523A523INGB0E0E10OE209E500E8071200AI04AJ01EH07FG01Q303EB00ED03EK0537010tcK0nGQ42c5

Currently it has everything a Sithlord would have. Duelwielding swords, lightning, AoE-push,
drain life, bodyhealing, charging attack, debuffing enemies, paralyzing attacks.

The build has over 50% crit when selfbuffed, almost 8k hp.

My issues: Running out of power fast, and trouble with soloing boss-enemies.

A true Sithlord should be able to face even the toughest opponent solo and prevail.

Any ideas or suggestions?.

kallethen · August 2014

I would say you need to sacrifice one power slot for an Energy Unlock. Considering you have a number of powers that stack Ego Leech, you should choose Ego Reverberation as your unlock. That would help in the energy department.

selphea · August 2014

What's the toughest boss you want to solo?

And if you say Frosty, be prepared to get narrowed down to a very cookie cutter build

jairevans · August 2014

Force Lightning is good and all, but how you going to play a Sith that can't Force Choke?

Lightning Arc is a pain to supply energy for without concentration, INT, END, and ionic reverb. Plus it needs Negative Ions on its victim for much of its damage but then again, you don't have it ranked so its probably just a thematic toy.

I'd probably want to go more Laser Sword than Id Blades for a Sith but your build still inspired me. I'd do something along these lines.

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name: Force Choke

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Invincible
Level 6: Ascetic
Level 9: Academics
Level 12: Healthy Mind
Level 15: Field Ops Training
Level 18: Covert Ops Training
Level 21: Command Training

Powers:
Level 1: Ego Blade
Level 1: Ego Weaponry (Rank 2, Siphoning Strikes)
Level 6: Id Mastery (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Mental Discipline (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Ego Reverberation
Level 14: Ego Blade Breach (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Ego Blade Dash (Nailed to the Ground)
Level 20: Telekinetic Maelstrom (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Masterful Dodge
Level 26: Force Shield (Force Sheathe)
Level 29: Palliate (Absolve)
Level 32: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
Level 38: Ego Choke (Garroting Grip)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Distortion Acrobatics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Superjump

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (1/3)
Ego: Aggression (2/2)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Warden Mastery (1/1)

Sixth Sense, Slaughter, Focused Strikes, and Warden Mastery are going to make Ego Weaponry kill your enemy and heal you very quickly. Probably don't even need Ego Blade Breach in there at that point, maybe take the ranks out of it and just tap it to stack the debuff.

Form of the Tempest may work better with this build but the 10% more crit for Siphoning Strikes could be handy from Mental Discipline.

You've got your Masterful Dodge and your Nimble Mind of course. I didn't put BCR and Conviction in there because of Siphoning Strikes.

Mental Storm offers some possibilities for other specializations but Wardicator is just easier and so much critical chance is in there. So enjoy the ticking damage and the debuff and forget about the incapacitate.

TK Maelstrom is probably better served as Ego Blade Annihilation because of all the Ego Leech you are going to build up. But you're a Sith. It's fun to go all Force Unleashed every once in a while, pick up every thing that isn't nailed down, or chunks of the ground itself in this case, and hurl it at everything in sight. And the animation is perfect for you.

Force Shield is a little showy, I think Sheath is more useful than the rank you put into it. Tap it and get back to work carving things up. You can always heal through most aggro with Siphoning Strikes. And if you have too much for even that with Masterful Dodge on cooldown, it's time for a little Mind Trick. Palliate, Absolve, and get back to killing.

Ego Choke is a terrible power. Low damage, doesn't work on the creatures you want it to, bad, bad, bad. BadASS that is! No, seriously, it's bad. But it's very fun and thematic to use occasionally for the fun of it in a few situations. And the debuff is nothing to sneeze at.

Also, your friends will HATE you, but Telekinetic Wave is a LOT of fun if you want a mass Force Push. And once your friends hate you, they'll fall faster to the Dark Side. If not, who needs friends? There's a Rule of Two for a reason. Just saying you might slip that in there and give it a try... In an Alert... When the boss is Teddified. ----SO EVIL!

cyrone · August 2014

Keep in mind that the energy return on Force Sheathe scales to Rec.

diggot · August 2014

jairevans wrote: »

*snip*

That build looks very interesting, but it lacks 2 things.

1) No Dex, so i'm going to lose A LOT of crit. Maybe Ego-surge makes up for that?.
Currently i have just under 50%, and considering that Siphoning Strikes needs crit to work,
it is very important to have a very high crit.

2) No Melee-AoE ?. I put Egoblade Frenzy there to be able to dispatch multiple weak enemies fast,
and frenzy is perfect for that job. Does Ego-breach do AoE dmg?.

Thanks for the reply and very interesting build. I'm tempted spending a 2nd Coin to respec.

Also.. One of my goals with the build is to be able to handle the Terak, or any similarly powered boss with no problem.

/Edit: Ok.. HOLY CRAP, i tried your build and it wrecked havoc. The only differense is that i took the 2 points
from Dash, and used them for Insisive Wit to gain more Ego. I just fought Terak and didn't drop under 90% health
unless i was playing around. And with Ego-surge active, i'm up to almost 60% crit - insane.

I was abit divided on which skill to pick last. Metal storm or Kitetic wave - both are good sith-powers and i really
wanted both but there wasn't enough points to go around, so i picked Storm for the aditional 24% dmg (24% resist debuff).

I might remove Dash to test Kinetic Wave, but Dash is such a fitting skill. If you watch the trailer, Malgus pretty much uses dash
after he forcepushed the weak Jedi over some rocks.

In all, this build rocked. I love putting my mind to a costume and making the powers accordingly to the roleplay fitting the suit.

You have tought me well, my master

.

flowcyto · August 2014

Here's a shot at it:

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Disciple
Level 6: Covert Ops Training
Level 9: Acrobat
Level 12: Shooter
Level 15: Ascetic
Level 18: Quick Recovery
Level 21: Impresario

Powers:
Level 1: Electric Bolt
Level 1: Ego Weaponry (Rank 2, Siphoning Strikes)
Level 6: Ego Reverberation
Level 8: Form of the Tempest
Level 11: Night Warrior (Rank 2, Rank 3, Silent Running)
Level 14: Ego Blade Frenzy (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Gigabolt (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Ego Blade Annihilation (Rank 2, Mental Acuity)
Level 26: Ego Blade Dash
Level 29: Masterful Dodge
Level 32: Force Shield (Rank 2, Force Sheathe)
Level 35: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
Level 38: Ego Choke (Garroting Grip)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Distortion Acrobatics (Rank 2)
Level 35: Flight

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

Gigabolt is ur force lightning (as is the EB) and AoE alpha strike. NW to be sneaky (and cause it boosts all dmg, makes building easier). Rest is pretty standard TK blade stuff. Ego Choke was added at end cause it doesn't feel like a Sith w/o it.

Siphoning Strikes is pretty amazing w/ enough crit and dmg bonuses, so w/ enough Con and some backup tank cds, should be pretty easy to solo most stuff, provided ya can stay in melee and not get knocked around everywhere.

edit: changed Resurgence for MD- figured it'd be better when you already have healing coming from Siphoning and Conviction.

jairevans · August 2014

diggot wrote: »

1) No Dex, so i'm going to lose A LOT of crit.

2) No Melee-AoE ?

Edit: Ok.. HOLY CRAP, i tried your build and it wrecked havoc.

1) Yeah, I've been reading a lot of posts about Dex as a SSS not being very good unless you are deriving energy returns or form bonuses off it because the crit nerf hurt it so much. That's why so many of the talent specializations are geared towards flat crit bonuses to single target attacks. Between that and your secondary stats granting crit and of course some crit gear I figure you're about as high on crit as you're going to get without PSS Dex. But I'm guessing you noticed that on Terak.

2) I've found melee AE very disappointing. Random creatures deciding to back out of it, poor groupings, bad range, after playing with Lead Tempest, Epidemic, Hurricane, Lightning Storm, and Gigabolt I hardly even consider Ego Blade Frenzy or Brimstone or whatever to even be AE. Instead of wasting DPS time trying to get them positioned I'd rather just focus things down. And with all the siphoning strikes crits you should be able to heal through any additional time it takes to do that. Now with lots of mooks mental storm and telekinetic maelstrom will kill them quick and if you do take TK Wave it'll smash them too. Of course Flow's lightning build will be better at minion sweeping. This is more find the biggest baddest mofo and show him you're the true Dark Lord of the Sith. Let your slaves deal with the minions.

3) Hahaha! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

flowcyto · August 2014

When I first got into the game there was still some talk of all the ATs going around pretty often, and the Disciple never usually came up as one that was ever recommended ('it has low defenses' or 'its squishy', I kept hearing). Well, after leveling one I can say its one of the best melee ATs out there- rivals the Savage imo. The deal-maker is Siphoning. It really is that powerful on a crit-based dps setup.

Done Gravi a few times w/ that AT and it was pretty easy each time, considering how much grief she can normally give melee dps. I guess you've discovered how good that adv can be too

If I were to amend my build, I'd swap EBF (hate using melee cones myself) for EBB. Choke could be traded for TK eruption or maelstrom for more AoE options, but its not essential. I use EBB as the filler attack on the AT when I dun need the healing.. unfortunately that's not most of the time cause the high dps means its likely that I'm drawing aggro.

diggot · September 2014

Updating this thread since i've ran into some very aggravating issues.

This is the build i am currently using, as suggested.

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name: Force Choke

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Intelligence (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Invincible
Level 6: Ascetic
Level 9: Academics
Level 12: Healthy Mind
Level 15: Field Ops Training
Level 18: Covert Ops Training
Level 21: Command Training

Powers:
Level 1: Ego Blade (Incisive Wit)
Level 1: Ego Weaponry (Rank 2, Siphoning Strikes)
Level 6: Id Mastery (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Mental Discipline (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Ego Reverberation
Level 14: Ego Blade Breach (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Ego Blade Dash
Level 20: Telekinetic Maelstrom (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Masterful Dodge
Level 26: Force Shield (Force Sheathe)
Level 29: Palliate (Absolve)
Level 32: Mental Storm (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
Level 38: Ego Choke (Garroting Grip)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Distortion Acrobatics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Superjump

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (1/3)
Ego: Aggression (2/2)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Warden Mastery (1/1)

My main issue is, the total lack of damage. He can solo the Terak Teleiosaurus with no probem,
takes about 5 minutes and not dropping much in health.

However, being a melee-dps and critting for 4k damage with a fully loaded Ego-breach on a debuffed target isn't my idea of a melee-dps. My other 2hander hero will smack NPCs for 10k+ damage using Annihilate.

I also have an issue with the stats. Currently i have PSS-EGO and Int/Con SSS.
But considering i have a very crit-demanding build with Siphoning Strikes, i have most of my gear with dex stats, going up to 231 Dex and giving me 25% crit.
I did some testing and removed the chestpiece which gives 105 Dex, it reduced my crit by 5%.

So i had a long conversation ingame today about maybe respecing my SS to:

PSS - ??? (Con?).
SSS - EGO / Dex.

Being at relative low health, 7.2k, i really don't feel like skipping Con as a SS, and despite the tip to use gear with health, there are only chestpiece with +health AFAIK, and using the mod-slots for health is a no-no becaus i need those for crit% mods.

The Con-stat i currently has, gives me about 1300+ HP, combined with my chestpiece they make up for almost half my health.

Changing powers is a no-go since it is a sithbuild. And all possible passives/forms have been used and the damage is still very poor compared to other builds... is melee-ego THAT BAD ?.

I know the Dex isn't doing that much for crit, "only" about 12%, but it still gives more crit then EGO does, and EGO is a PSS. So totally removing my Dex-gear and putting all stats into EGO would decrease my crit% drastically.

At max 3/3, Sixth Sense gives maybe +5%crit with a 400+ EGO as SSS, which is utter BS considering my Dex which isn't even a SS, gives almost 3x that on half the stat.
So how do i keep the crit, but increase the damage?.

Or is this build just not that kind of build that can be made delivering those big numbers?.

Dumping all Dex, for All EGO yes/no ?.

flyingfinn · September 2014

I was gonna point you towards Smackwell, but then i realized that i misread the title.

flowcyto · September 2014

diggot wrote: »

-snip-

The build is missing EBA. You've disabled crit on ur main combo/Ego Leech builder (and also can't take it to R3) and didn't take an 'execute' ability for ego leech (TK Lance or EBA)- I suspect these are the biggest culprits to the lower dmg issue (though I obv wouldn't skip on Siphoning for its healing). EBB is better dps as an Ego Leech stacker than the TK combo, but ya lose the crit-healing and EBB takes much more energy (its better used when ya dun need the healing from the combo but are still building to 5 stacks).

You geared for much Dex, but Dex isn't currently an SS, so that means ur missing out on the SS dmg boosts. Ya could swap Int SS for Dex SS if you've stated mostly Dex anyways. Could also use FotT over Mental Disp then- shouldn't be much a change in dps at 8 stacks of focus, but you'll get more energy to work w/ things like EBA and TK Maelstrom, and 4 free adv points.

6th Sense works off ur 2ndary SSs, which I guess are pretty low atm. I'd prob take a 3/3 Follow Through and 2/3 6th Sense setup w/ EGO/Dex/Con, and maybe just wear some CD reduction gear. That should give you plenty high a crit rate.

Con SS is good, and remember that Con makes Nimble Mind's crit better, so its also a means to increase ur burst dps- as long as ya use Ego Surge often. Could also take ES/NM to R2 to make it last longer, and take Offensive Expertise over Mass Destruction in Vindicator to further lower its cd. You also ranked the energy builder- I hope you aren't having to use it that much.

diggot · September 2014

After turning each skill inside out and comparing passives, i have decided on the following build.

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Name: Force Choke

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Void
Level 6: Indomitable
Level 9: Agile
Level 12: Enduring
Level 15: Shooter
Level 18: Acrobat
Level 21: Ascetic

Powers:
Level 1: Ego Blade (Incisive Wit)
Level 1: Ego Weaponry (Rank 2, Siphoning Strikes)
Level 6: Id Mastery (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Mental Discipline (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Ego Reverberation
Level 14: Ego Blade Breach (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Ego Blade Dash
Level 20: Telekinetic Maelstrom (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Masterful Dodge
Level 26: Force Shield (Force Sheathe)
Level 29: Ego Blade Annihilation (Rank 2, Mental Acuity)
Level 32: Mental Storm
Level 35: Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
Level 38: Ego Choke (Garroting Grip)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Distortion Acrobatics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Hover Disk

Specializations:
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (1/3)
Ego: Aggression (2/2)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

Currently it has everything i need. Good survival, hopefully strong ST-dps, good AoE.

I removed both ranks from Mental storm and put them into EBA. I also replaced Int for DEX as SS.
Lets hope it can compete with my 2hander-build in dps.

diggot · September 2014

Thanks everyone who posted and lead me to my hopefully final build.

Current build and with my newly acquired Heroic gear, i pushed the dps to new limits.

Crit % from 34% to 45% - over 70% with Surge.

EBA crits for 2x6-7000.

Ego Surge is down to 40 seconds CD, and with a 20sec duration, i run Surge every 20 sec.

My energy is almost always ontop, and i constantly run with 5stacks of Leech.

Maelstrom crits for 5k.

My HP increased by 400hp.

I am well aware that this is no way near the "min/max" topbuilds in the game, but it kicks ****
in the long run, and stays alive pretty good. Totally useless in pvp tho, but i don't pvp so that don't matter.

/cheers.

Need some advice - Sithlord build.

Comments