Frosticus-ready Heavy Weapons Tank?

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• cyrone Posts: 1,030 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  Needs more Con. Constitution is the stat that Defiance works off of.

  
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• kelborne Posts: 61 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  You need more con. Con will buff defiance and increase the defense you get from juggernaut and of course GIVE MORE HP!!!!. I would ignore rec in favor of getting more con If you are worried about energy, the energy return from defiance also scales with con so it will do more for your energy gains then adding more rec will ever do for this build.
  
  I will also look into dropping protector in favor of vindicator, will give you more crit(more threat) and give you the legendary Aggressive stance/the best defense combo, combined with juggernaut will boost your defense to ridiculous levels.
  
  Also I don't see any combo attacks in the build so Warden mastery is doing nothing for you, I would switch it to strength mastery.

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• ajanus Posts: 501 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  PowerHouse (Link to this build)
  
  Name:
  
  Archetype: Freeform
  
  Super Stats:
  Level 6: Strength (Primary)
  Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
  Level 15: Recovery (Secondary)
  
  Talents:
  Level 1: Inhuman
  Level 6: Mighty
  Level 9: Enduring
  Level 12: Tireless
  Level 15: Physical Conditioning
  Level 18: Quick Recovery
  Level 21: Relentless
  
  Powers:
  Level 1: Bludgeon (Until Morale Improves)
  Level 1: Cleave (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenging Strikes)
  Level 6: Decimate
  Level 8: Defiance
  Level 11: Enrage (Endorphin Rush, Giant Growth)
  Level 14: Devour Essence (Rank 2, Crippling Challenge)
  Level 17: Supernatural Power
  Level 20: Resurgence (Evanescent Emergence)
  Level 23: Unbreakable
  Level 26: Energy Shield (Laser Knight)
  Level 29: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 32: Unleashed Rage (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
  Level 38: Miniaturization Drive (Rank 2, Reciprocating Gizmo)
  
  Travel Powers:
  Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
  Level 35: Teleportation (Rank 2)
  
  Specializations:
  Strength: Swole (3/3)
  Strength: Aggression (2/2)
  Strength: Brutality (2/2)
  Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
  Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
  Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
  Warden: Elusive (2/2)
  Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
  Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
  Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
  Vindicator: Modified Gear (2/2)
  Vindicator: Mass Destruction (3/3)
  Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)
  
  This is similar to my main tank. I know you wanted more Heavy Weapons, but thought I would share this anyways.
  
  Main points:
  
  2 Active Defenses. This is pretty crucial on boss fights, especially when you know you can take a ton of damage. Unbreakable as a filler active, Resurgence when you take a big spike to recover quickly.
  
  Cleave with CS for taunt, aoe, and Enrage builder.
  
  Devour Essence for CC and constant self heal
  
  Mini Drive and Disorient on builder for some debuffs to help take the least amount of damage.
  
  Gear:
  
  Keep everything as is, except this:
  
  On your Justice Primaries, replace all mods with the highest Con mods you have. Possibly keep 1 STR mod of the highest rank you have.

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  June 2014 edited June 2014

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,864 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  Bulwark and defensive expertise are excellent for added survival. I wouldn't recommend dropping Protector if survival is the main issue vs. Frosty (but Vindicator would be better for threat/dps, even if Defense's return is poor w/ Defiance and Juggernaut adding much dmg resist already).
  
  Easiest way to improve ur survival for ice daggers, regardless of build, and aside from stating Con (which you should do anyways), is to just pick up Ebon Void w/ VD. Any tank build is muuuuuuch more serviceable vs. Frosty if you can keep 10 stacks of VD rolling. Its not necessary at all for most other content, but it won't be easy tanking Frosty w/o it and no backup healers- esp as a non-100% dodge build. If its a theme issue, ya can always make it the last power slot ya swap out for a diff block or ability when not doing F&I, and then re-specing it is cheap.
  
  Otherwise you need at least one regular heal and prob 2 ADs (one regular one, and one like MD ya can pop in case ya get ice prisoned). Ya can always pop MD or Unbreakable early to give you less reliance on blocking to get a threat lead, or just tell ur team you'd like some time to threat-up on Frosty before they switch to him.
  
  Because of F&I's high innate dmg resist, added flat threat values like in CrC/CS advs and from Defense combo are much more potent for holding threat, vs. raw dmg. You still need decent damaging moves, but the challenging advs will make the most added difference for any build. If some other tank is taunting off you w/ CrC and higher dps moves, either they know what they're doing and can handle it, or they'll just die (and conveniently have their threat wiped). Same thing w/ suped-up dps that goes balls out on Frosty and doesn't expect anything bad to come from it- their lesson to learn, not yours. They can always hit Kenina for a while if they want to keep dishing out dps, or pack a threat wipe.

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• monsterdaddy Posts: 795 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  Check out my HW hero Raijin.
  
  The problem with Defiance is that Frosticus hits too hard and too often. If you find yourself in a PUG with no healer you will be unpleasantly surprised by how quickly she takes you down. I know, I had a 243% damage resistance hero with lots of self healing and damage debuffs get snapped like a twig again and again.
  
  In any case, with STR PSS, Cleave is plenty enough to hold agg with Enrage as form by adding Demolish R2 w/adv to debuff will significantly increase your damage and taking Warden Mastery. BTW Raijin's DPS isn't spectacular at 2.2K vs. Regen Dummies in PH but then again she never blocks so her DPS is sustained (get Laser Knight!!!)

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• monsterdaddy Posts: 795 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  flowcyto wrote: »

  Easiest way to improve ur survival for ice daggers, regardless of build, and aside from stating Con (which you should do anyways), is to just pick up Ebon Void w/ VD. Any tank build is muuuuuuch more serviceable vs. Frosty if you can keep 10 stacks of VD rolling.

  Ebon Void w/VD is very good but I think Laser Knight is superior for melee users. At high levels of damage resistance (200% to be exact) they offer the same damage mitigation. Laser Knight knocks off 25% before damage resistance. So with a 20,000 Frost Dagger, LK plus 200% damage resist means you get hit for 5,000 net. With EV adding 100% to 200% you get the same 5,000 hit. If your damage resistance is lower, then EV is better, higher then LK is better.
  
  But the main benefit is that LK allows you to continuously smack your target and keep agg up. There is a 9.1% damage decrease but I'm sure its still more damage than blocking all the time.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,864 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  yeah if LK adds a DR-less final 25% then I could see how that's better for particular high-end builds (ofc melee-only ones). My only concern w/ LK is its uptime is very short, so certain moves like Haymaker may have gaps in coverage, and you'll lose it faster if imprisoned.
  
  Does depend how often ya can go w/o needing to block, too. Sometimes Frosty can chain 7 or so daggers back-to-back, and I just don't see many builds being able to face-tank all that w/o backup or having to block some. To be fair, any build can learn the small interval between daggers and sneak in a quick poke or heal between blocking- hard to describe w/ words but it kinda becomes a rhythm once ya get used to it.

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• monsterdaddy Posts: 795 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  EV could probably work very well for a DoT tank. Lot of decent telepathic powers now including one with CC.

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• flowcyto Posts: 12,864 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  Yup, one of my Frosty tanks is a Regen one that uses the DoTs + EV and TK as filler. Its quite a nice combo since ya can threat decently while blocking, and def can be made self-sufficient.

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• stellariodragon Posts: 588 Arc User

  June 2014 edited June 2014

  Thanks for the info everyone. I already switched in some rank 7 constitution mods and I'm noticing the difference 17% defiance stacks make. Also, thanks for pointed out that my moves weren't combos for warden mastery. I wrote down some notes on moves and specs, and will get to that later.

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