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cidersylph
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Hi there 
FrozenViolet here from PRIMUS Database.
We have a theme month going on over at the site for this month for Magical or characters with Magic origins!
A lot of changes and new pages are being created over there, and we would love to have you come on over and create and showcase your Champions Online character on our site. If you need any assistance, any of the moderators are available to help you bring life to your character on your own page. We have tools for helping showcase your supergroup as well!
So please come on over and join the PRIMUS Database community!
FrozenViolet here from PRIMUS Database.We have a theme month going on over at the site for this month for Magical or characters with Magic origins!
A lot of changes and new pages are being created over there, and we would love to have you come on over and create and showcase your Champions Online character on our site. If you need any assistance, any of the moderators are available to help you bring life to your character on your own page. We have tools for helping showcase your supergroup as well!
So please come on over and join the PRIMUS Database community!
@FrozenViolet in game
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Heh, but I'm lazy and still developing my personal "template" so all mine are still WIP.
The Primus Database, or PDB, is known to be rich with the personal lore of many many many of the Role playing community. With that said, I feel that it should be expanded more to the general CO community, as it's fun to tell the world about your hero, and your story.
They also have a Page of the Month that showcases chosen individuals the hard work they have put in their page. Currently the system to be chosen for it is nomination, and the moderators and admin of PDB will choose the winner out of their own discretion.
Caliga's PRIMUS Database! --XXX--The Caliga Build: Threatening Haymakers! --XXX-- Caliga and Conquer fanart!
Most of the general CO community views this website as CORP exclusive. To make matters a bit more uncomfortable, very few CORP members actually interact with the general CO community through these forums, and prefer to stick "to their own kind" on their own private website, giving the entire CORP community the label of "Elitist".
I want to break this cycle. And not to stroke my own ego, but the fact that I am the only non-CORP member, to win Page of the Month since 2011 says something about both communities.
For the general CO public, either PDB is not being publicized enough, or they just don't care.
As for the CORP community, interaction with the general public isn't being done enough. I would even go as far as to say that it's being avoided.
I know for a fact that many ingame actually view the CORP community in a very negative light because of this, and the same goes for how CORP views the general CO community.
I'm not trying to start any fires here, but this had to be said, and in a public venue for all to see.
Caliga's PRIMUS Database! --XXX--The Caliga Build: Threatening Haymakers! --XXX-- Caliga and Conquer fanart!
2. at least 60 are used for RP with freind, we have our own story lines
3. no idea how to do page
4. no time to
5. I'm still typing in the last 150 RP letters from the old forum message system. Which I ahve to merge with the rest, we were both up to our 500 limit
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
I'd like to start getting on the PDB soon. I'm just not in the mood to upload my stuff. And generally, I don't have the time or patience.
I also would not want my entries deleted or manipulated, as many CORP persons and I don't see eye-to-eye on things and some of their favorite persons are known trolls and troublemakers. And that's being as nice as possible without mudslinging.
The great thing about the wiki is that it allows you to protect your page from editing if you so desire. You can also contact a mod to protect your page.
To restate what Caliga spoke of above, we wholeheartedly want people from all of CO to make their page known. For one, you have more room to work on your bio, more space to upload photos of your character, and more room to describe activities your character is involved in.
~ FrozenViolet
Right, I know a couple of those moderators. All clear. I may get to this sooner than later, but I explicitly want my material unmolested, unless it violates some rule or something.
Heya! Just a note, protecting your page from editing is quite ok! There are several pages I've seen that have disclaimers not to edit anything on them. Also, your content is your property. If you wish to remove your content, you are welcome to at any time.
..And I just generally don't have the imagination.
@dr490nbr347hi / Playing since January 25, '11
Display normal Internet behavior. Come and make fun (yes, make fun) of my PRIMUS page.
Not all CORP members are isolationists ( though a lot are ) , go to CORP site search for my account ima there ima CORP member and I participated in Conquers protest vote. CORP isnt some secret League of Super Evil guys, nah its more like the Masons :P
*EDIT* http://championsonlineroleplayers.shivtr.com/members/1010602 been a member of corp for well over a year lurking watching them >_>
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I only know of one instance where some idiot defaced pages on PRIMUS DB and he / she was banned in a matter of a few minutes. And restoring your page is stupid easy, so it hardly matters.
[at]riviania Member since Aug 2009
* Although certain components might invoke Clarke's 2nd Law...
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
Heroic Roleplayer @epelesker | PRIMUS Database Moderator | Brigade Advocate
Pretty much. I've never heard of CORP members, or any other subset of the community, systematically vandalizing pages.
How about instead of everyone shouting and going NO U! We get some more non CORP members on as mods in the Primus database. Theres some already but more wouldn't hurt. Would help get the average Joe in game more interested in the PDB.
Shouting at each other solves nothing and will put the average player off the PDB.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
As the person in charge of handling this activity over at the PDb, I want to make it absolutely clear that if people have legitimate and constructive criticisms as to how it's being run, I would much rather prefer to hear those as opposed to the mudslinging that the discussion linked by Caliga has devolved into.
Nor will I tolerate a so-called forum celebrity throwing his weight around, twisting words to fit his position and essentially blackmailing a system I was hoping to use this month to gather information in order to fix. (Not to menton, this comes after Caliga actually won last month's PotM. EDIT: In a tie.)
Time and time again, I have stated that I understand the complaints people have about what people have equated as a "popularity contest ruled by the CORP clique", which is why I was even asking for feedback by trying something new in the first place. These same criticisms of favoritism and bias are also often levied at costume contests-- and yet according to CONQUER's argument, we're more in the wrong for it. How is this fair?
The reason why a certain subset of people seem to "win" PotM at all is because they happen to be the most active and form the core of the website's install base. Besides, why should it matter what connections someone should have to any one community or organization? Why should we control who people know and who they should vote for? What about the possibility that someone places a vote, others look at it and check it out for themselves, and happen to agree?
Enough is enough.
Heroic Roleplayer @epelesker | PRIMUS Database Moderator | Brigade Advocate
If you want to reach out to the other community, then use these forums. Have people post their link, that way you're not scrambling through the entire database. It also means everyone gets a chance to see the submissions and vote, instead of any group of people saying 'go vote for mine'.
Is there a 'rating system' for visual, writing, and originality? I mean, if I throw a hundred bucks worth of fan art on my page, that's one thing- but is the background and actual writing critiqued? I suck at HTML.
My main point is this- I never wanted to take part in these, because there's the mudslinging. That entire exchange looks toxic (recommend deleting that, honestly- and I'll gladly delete what I posted).
Like I said, when someone mentions a small minority element of a community, they're instantly attacked like this. Caliga at first was being honest- he did say there was some distance between CORP and the rest of the community, and there's not been much out of them. That's kind of scary, amigo.
HMMM Conquers argument you say? Read through the thread see I take the middle ground in this argument as a member of CORP since march 2013 ( before CoX shut down and you came here btw) AND a member and second in command of Conquer AND a user of the PDB since 2011. I do think the voting is a bit screwed in CORPs favor yes , but thats due to PDB not appealing to the average Joe in game not down to actual plots and conspiracy . This nonsense from all of you wont help.
Yes Caliga has fist in face style of diplomacy and maybe taking a more calm approach might have been better but some of his points and I say SOME not all of his points are valid and had to be voiced.
Almost all involved have showed a little disrespect to Bob, its his wiki and continuing NO U is silly.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
You guys have fun with your pissing contest. If PotM stops being the ridiculous shenanigan's that kept happening in the past, I'll consider participating again.
[at]riviania Member since Aug 2009
Heroic Roleplayer @epelesker | PRIMUS Database Moderator | Brigade Advocate
I feel you. But... it's sort of like, yeah... you cleaned the bowl but I'm still gonna wait a few hours after uncle Larry used it on chili night.
As for PotM, it should be a fun thing, not taken too seriously, and not a huge source of drama. In general, the pages that have won have been pretty deserving, including Caliga's. At the risk of spoiling Nepht's entertainment, please try to calm down, folks.
Yes, there are jerks in CORP, as in any large group. And yes, there are cliques, which are pretty natural in a long term organization (particularly as CORP has been around since launch). It's unfortunate in my view, as I enjoy meeting new, good RPers. Those who don't branch out are missing out, but c'est la vie.
Also, I consider FV, Epel, and Bob to be very good people. All three of them have reached out to communities beyond CORP, and the site's in good hands with them. Liath is not someone I know well, but he/she has been very diligent. Maek is an hard worker as well, but not around much.
Heroic Roleplayer @epelesker | PRIMUS Database Moderator | Brigade Advocate
Screw mah entertainment I really do wish it would calm down. PDB is a great place for bio's if PoTM causes so much conflict PoTM I think should be gone.
I advise everyone to make a PDB no matter what group you belong to no matter what you think of PoTM. Because PDB is more is much more than a silly contest.
Thats my thoughts on the matter.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Honestly, I wish I could judge an entire group by one person. I'd have chosen to judge it by you, to be fair. You're a pretty level headed guy and you RP well with a variety of different types of character.
I'm sure they are, I know a couple of their moderators and have nothing at all bad to say about them. But, it's not 'CORP'. It's a handful of individuals that happen to be in CORP. And some of these individuals are, as I said, troublemakers and trolls.
Some of this mudslinging is warranted. I'm pretty civil about most stuff, but Caliga made a fair and civil point (and I honestly took what he said as a friendly nudge to CORP, in their favor), but someone was obviously buttmad enough to come in here and lash out at him... and that's just sad, man.
Edit: "Buttmad" is a word I totally stole from Nepht.
I heard King copyrighted Buttmad Saga.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I used it in an anti-terrorism briefing, just so you know.
EDIT: The PotM talk page was closed briefly to allow time for the situation to defuse-- I have just reopened it.
Heroic Roleplayer @epelesker | PRIMUS Database Moderator | Brigade Advocate
I have a page saved for my main, I just haven't worked up the motivation to build up something pretty. PDB is quite cool, I've spent time perusing some of the entries and am impressed with how much work people put into their characters. More the merrier, keep it up.
REALLY I make a serious mega typo and no one pulls me up for it, poor show guys, poor show U__U
Let me pull myself up for you then. The line "( before CoX shut down and you came here btw)" should be after the line "AND a user of the PDB since 2011" not after "as a member of CORP since march 2013"
I would of edited that but I find a typo of this magnitude should be saved for all mankind
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
After speaking with Caliga myself, I have decided to take one of his suggestions to form a point of contact with the general CO community-- that thread being the result. It's not particularly complete, which is why I'm hoping for people to ask questions beyond what I've covered.
But it's out there, and I'm hoping that you guys will take the opportunity to learn about the site, and perhaps contribute.
Heroic Roleplayer @epelesker | PRIMUS Database Moderator | Brigade Advocate
I'm the only one who finds this catch 22 amusing?
Yeah. Doesn't take rocket science to realise that if people outside of CORP aren't voting, PoTM is mostly composed of CORPses, lol.
Not like I'm giving any *** to PoTM which is basically as smart and meaningful as high school popularity contest. IMHO PDB pages are something to be used as a clean and readable info of characters. Too much walls of text and unneeded fancy graphics is an instant "no read" for me.
Yes, one way to fix this so-called CORP overrun is to make the site (and the system) more appealing to people who don't usually frequent it, but even if we get an influx of new members to potentially participate in such an activity, if no one new latches on, then the situation won't change. It's "if you don't participate, don't complain about the result".
Which then comes to the expectation that we should quit doing it if the same people keep showing up and placing votes. Again, a good way to make a comparison is to look at costume contests to see how they're handled, especially in the complaint department-- people who often go to CCs will be more likely to win than someone who might participate rarely, though if the latter complains about it, the whole perfect defense thing kicks in.
Once the theme month runs its course, or perhaps even sooner, I'll have a survey prepared of sorts to see how things can be adjusted, but changing a long-running program like this-- that has been "broken" for so long-- takes time. I don't want people jumping down my throat if, come May 7th, the result isn't "satisfactory" enough.
'Cause you're going to get swallowed. :P
Heroic Roleplayer @epelesker | PRIMUS Database Moderator | Brigade Advocate
PotM is on the front page of PRIUMS, so it does add to the perception that the entire site is all CORP all the time. The only way that perception is going to change is if you can con non-corp people and their friends into participating in PotM. If all of the admins and mods are part of CORP (I have no idea who is or isn't in CORP, hence "if"), then you'll also need to con some non-corp people into doing that too. (That means someone who cares and is actually going to do work, not just a pretty face.) The new voting system isn't going to fly if everyone thinks it's rigged from the get-go by CORP.
Like it or not, PotM has a big impact on how people see Primus DB.
I'm going to point out that ANYONE can host a CC as long as they respect other people's time slot if they want to use the theater. And if there is a particular SG that you don't like how they do their contests, there are plenty of other choices. PotM is PotM. There's only one. CCs are not judged the same way as PotM ever has. It's almost always a panel of judges. Very rarely do participants get to vote, which is the total opposite of how PotM is decided. I think I proved how easy it is to abuse that for votes.
[at]riviania Member since Aug 2009
Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
I still write my own profiles on the wiki myself, generally go through bouts of time where I focus on one character in particular, especially one I've been playing heavily during those times. Seeing the PoTM, though, always makes me shake my head, because the winner is usually always someone within the CORP clique. Though I don't necessarily care who wins PoTM, it would be nice to see some folks who aren't necessarily CORPers.
I definitely agree on the notion of the PDB being a reliable source of information. Overly fancy visuals and walls of text don't necessarily make a great page. I've seen some far more simple and better constructed pages that make for a better, easier read than some of the fancy stuff that's been showcased.
I won page of the month September 2013 and I'm not a CORP member or a member of any in-game communities for that matter. I'm am unknown, known only by the few guild members I have teamed up with in none-RP moments to complete Alerts or other game related scenarios. Tho I have been in a few CC's.
My page: http://www.primusdatabase.com/index.php?title=Astromancer
So that would make me the first none CORP member to win since 2011, but yes, I guess it says something about both communities.
I remember the big roleplaying community back in the city of heroes days with cool fan art and fame and all that. I thought, thats just want I want! Thats the spirit of these games. Create your own hero with the tools provided, give him some lore then interact with the others like it was a DC or Marvel crossover.
So when it came to champions, I thought this might be a good time to involve my self in these roleplaying communities. Few years on and off since beta, I finally create a character I like, Astromancer. Then I decide first to create him a background story and Primus Database page. I do this, lots of random people I have never spoken to before or since decide to vote my page the page of the month. A great honor. I should get in contact with them in game and thank them I suppose or get involved with their roleplaying.
Yet to this day I have not talked to any in the roleplaying community which was my plan all this time. To create my character, give him his background then release him into the world. Just to much stuff got in the way to involve myself, But I hope soon this will happened.
Now page of the month was not something I aimed for, It was a page to hold information about my character and a place for me to sort out my thoughts and creative proses around my character as he became more and more defined trough each edit I did.
Now I saw several others characters having their pages pushed into the votes by their RP-SG members, which emphasized a sort of alienation, which is again one of the reasons I have yet to enter the RP community until I felt my character was complete enough that I could enter such a league. True, many of the pages that were suggested and would later win did perhaps deserve these victories as they where nice looking pages with tons of cool artwork, comic book worthy backgrounds and other aspects here and there, but did just end with other good looking pages being overlooked. Especially when the same pages were voted again and again for several months until finally all of them won, which ended with a great silence for more pages to be elected.
But again, this is not to put anyone in a bad light as I dont know any of these people, It's stating the problem which exsists with different in-game communities as xcaligax mentioned.
But my votes did not go over several months. I came, I was voted and I won trough no other influence then that they liked my page enough to vote for me.
So take my 2 cents for whatever you like, It's the words of someone who have observed things from a far, to afraid to truly participate.
Yeah, this is what I don't understand about this whole issue.
People are complaining about CORP members being the only ones who win and the only ones who vote...
What's your problem with that?
Everyone has a chance to vote and create a page. If you're complaining about only seeing CORP members vote...why don't you vote? It sounds like they just want to be confrontational about this...instead of simply doing what CORP members do...as in, creating a page and voting.
That supergroup held their "protest voting"...but it's funny, because that's probably the first time most of them even took the time to vote for a page.
In my opinion...the reason we see more CORP members on PDB...is because RP'ers tend to care more about their character and story more than someone who just plays the game for the game...and there is nothing wrong with either side of that coin.
I've disagreed with some of the past winners...simply because I thought another page was better...but all the winners have deserved it for creating a great page...CORP member or not.
VARIANT
"Nearly all men can withstand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
-Abraham Lincoln-
Now, for those concerned about the "old" nomination rules (that people seem to be worked up about) for this month-- we aren't even using them this time around.
One nomination is sufficient for an article to be considered, as the moderators will be choosing the winner. If a page is already spoken for, you will need to choose another-- of course, the goal is to have as many appropriate pages in the running as possible.
We'll be taking those votes until the stroke of midnight on May 1st.
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Now, as for the debate, I want to thank Vitality for raising the points he did with his post.
That's seriously all I can muster at this late point of night.
Heroic Roleplayer @epelesker | PRIMUS Database Moderator | Brigade Advocate