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The Laser Knight Archetype
thebuckeye
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I've suggested this many many times but I thought I'd suggest it one more time...and in a new way...
Archetype: The Laser Knight (STR 10, CON 10, INT 10, END 8 (INT and END are interchangeable here))
Primary Super Stat: Constitution
Secondary Super Stats: STR, INT or END
Specializations: CON, Protector, Warden
Role: Tank (melee range)
Level 1: Laser Edge (aka Lightspeed Blade in the power tray)
Level 1: Laser Sword
Level 6: Lightspeed Dash
Level 8: Invulnerability
Level 11: Particle Accelerator or Lightwave Slash
Level 14: Energy Shield
Level 17: Unified Theory
Level 22: Inertial Dampening Field
Level 27: Particle Smash
Level 32: Unbreakable or Nanobot Swarm
Level 40: Plasma Cutter
that's my suggestion for a new AT...we haven't had one produced in awhile and this would be a good one...I think...
Archetype: The Laser Knight (STR 10, CON 10, INT 10, END 8 (INT and END are interchangeable here))
Primary Super Stat: Constitution
Secondary Super Stats: STR, INT or END
Specializations: CON, Protector, Warden
Role: Tank (melee range)
Level 1: Laser Edge (aka Lightspeed Blade in the power tray)
Level 1: Laser Sword
Level 6: Lightspeed Dash
Level 8: Invulnerability
Level 11: Particle Accelerator or Lightwave Slash
Level 14: Energy Shield
Level 17: Unified Theory
Level 22: Inertial Dampening Field
Level 27: Particle Smash
Level 32: Unbreakable or Nanobot Swarm
Level 40: Plasma Cutter
that's my suggestion for a new AT...we haven't had one produced in awhile and this would be a good one...I think...
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We'll probably see something like this... except we'll see it after they release that new laser sword focused Passive, meaning it will have that instead of Invulnerability, and probably be in the Melee DPS role
Meaning IDF would likely be a MA form, and Dex would be the PSS.
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Because that would be terrible enough that players would complain about it.
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yep it worked just fine for me when I ran a play test of it...INT as a Secondary with the cost reduction in the STR spec tree no problem...
I have a Laser Sword character with a near identical build using Int primary, Dex/Rec secondary... and I have to say... Energy management is a pain...
Also... you tested with STR primary??? but your suggestion says Con primary...
Might want to go back and retest with your exact proposed build...
That aside... I doubt it'd be another tank... It will probly be Melee DPS role, though it could still end up with IDF instead of a MA or Enrage form...
I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
I'm going to be running tests with both of these my original suggested build...and this one here...and continue with my original STR based build and see which works more efficently and is more user-friendly...
Archetype: The Laser Knight (STR 10, CON 10, INT 10, END 8 (INT and END are interchangeable here))
Primary Super Stat: STR
Secondary Super Stats: CON, INT or END
Specializations: STR, Vindicator, Warden
Role: Hybrid or Melee
Level 1: Laser Edge
Level 1: Laser Sword
Level 6: Lightspeed Dash
Level 8: Quantum Instability (using Electric Form as a place holder in the test build)
Level 11: Particle Accelerator or Lightwave Slash
Level 14: Energy Shield
Level 17: Unified Theory
Level 22: Inertial Dampening Field
Level 27: Particle Smash
Level 32: Unbreakable or Nanobot Swarm
Level 40: Plasma Cutter
And the CON variant from my original post will have Invuln swapped out for Defiance in lieu of gradii's suggestion just so I can say I've done my due dilligence.
It was changed from a M/st power to R/aoe but is still listed as a M/st, which is why people play it with WotW
BUt I like the AT.
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because the Laser Swords themselves scale off of STR and if the Hybrid/Melee route is chosen, DEX has no Cost Discount advantages...
that said I'll make a build that is DEX centric and see what happens...swapping DEX in place of STR, and Following The Blade's stat progression...this will be a pure Melee dps build for the purposes of this suggestion.
The Laser Knight (DEX 10, STR 10, REC 10, END 8)
Role: Melee.
Primary Super Stat DEX
Secondary Super Stats STR, REC.
Specializations: DEX, Brawler, Warden
Level 1: Laser Edge
Level 1: Laser Sword
Level 6: Lightspeed Dash
Level 8: Quantum Instability (using again as a place holder for the testing purposes since the power is unavailable, Electric Form)
Level 11: Lightwave Slash or Particle Accelerator
Level 14: Energy Shield
Level 17: Unified Theory
Level 22: Inertial Dampening Field or Form of the Tempest (and considering I'm using Electric Form this is hilarious)
Level 27: Particle Smash
Level 32: Unbreakable or Intensity
Level 40: Plasma Cutter
Laser Knight
Role: Hybrid
Primary SS Int
Secondary: Str/Dex
Specs: Warden/Protector
Powers:
Level 1: Laser Edge
Level 1: Laser Sword
Level 6: Lightspeed Dash
Level 8: Personal Force Field/Quantum Instability
Level 11: Particle Accelerator/Lightwave Slash
Level 14: Inertial Dampening Field/Form of the Tempest
Level 17: Bionic Shielding
Level 21: Energy Shield
Level 25: Molecular Self-Assembly
Level 30: Unified Theory
Level 35: Particle Smash
Level 40: Plasma Cutter
Oh and thebuckeye, you were using the old AT progression, it changed when the devs gave Ats forms back in 2012
sure I'll give it a test...however I'm going to have to move when the Form choice is made because of IDF's number of powers requirement which is why its later in my other builds under testing...Swapping that choice with Energy Shield in your progression meets that number requirement...
Might be too fine actually. Remember, archetypes are supposed to be specialized and one-dimensional... that's actually the reason people might complain, cause it's not specialized in anything like the other archetypes!
Can't very well start selling premade FFs now can they
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and I just did the test for the PFF INT primary...at low levels it is way too energy hungry to make it viable for an AT it might work as a Free Form retcon build but for an AT no...and so before this variant takes a bow I'm going to swap INT for END as was suggested and give that one a try and see how it does...However The Defiance variant does really well at low levels for Energy Management relatively speaking...and the Electric Form with Dex primary works so far...will report back shortly...
AT's SHOULD actually not even be a part of the game...
There's a whole lot of SHOULD things... but I'm talking about THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN... and so far all the archetypes are little goofy pieces of trinity gameplay. The reason we give ourselves for that is of course that if people want interesting versatile characters that can solo, they need to farm/pay for FF.
That's why I think the "Lazer Knight" is likely to be the same, and that since it has an offensive passive related to it that it's likely to be a full on Melee DPS archetype. If we're lucky it'll have a heal, but that seems unlikely since there isn't one in set that would really work with it, and there aren't any out of set that really fit the theme (and archetypes are most definitely concerned with theme). I can definitely see it having Unbreakable as an option though, along with obviously the Power Armor block with the Lazer Knight advantage, so it certainly won't be one of the squishiest ATs.
I'm seeing Dex primary with a MA Form, since it definitely couldn't go with a Strength-based Form.
That is, of course, if it ever exists at all. I have this strange feeling that I read something official that said they have no plans to release any new ATs anytime soon...
Yes, Free Forms that don't take advantage of the things you can do with real Free Forms. Archetypes are just like poorly built free forms... heck I can't even say poorly built, because even a lot of poorly built freeforms still take advantage of the fact that you can mix offense and defense in ways that Archetypes don't. So yeah, Archetypes are like if someone threw together a free form with the intention of making it feel like you're playing a class-based trinity game, and then disabled the ability to change any of the powers... neat o3o
Sounds like you're having a lot of fun planning out your next Free Form character.... seems like that's what all these AT suggestion threads end up as
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That said, the testing is shaping up rather well. The Hybrid Role, End Primary with PFF works so far am up to Kevin Poe's UN-skippable monologue. The Tank Role CON Primary with Invuln and the one with Defiance also handled it with ease. As did the Melee Role with Dex Primary.
If others want to build other variants and add to this suggestion as a way to design an AT (which hey TrailTurtle that sounds like an idea for a new contest if we could get corporate support...)
I have a PFF w/ Int primary Laser Sword... I could have told you it's too energy hungry... I even have a post about it in the Combat & Powers forum trying to get assistance with that issue >.< though I'm one of the most stubborn people out there when it comes to builds... and I've refused pretty much every solution thrown my way, because they keep trying to change every aspect that I stated in my first post are not changing...
Eventually I'll get PFF w/ Int Primary to work out...