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The last week, the amount of "I've been playing since Beta" people, who aren't the people normally seen talking in chat.
Now running in /anon and the only time they talk it's to insult someone, be rude about posts or badmouth CO.
In alerts, they are the Level 40's saying "do what we tell you, we are your only chance to succeed." literally
Yesterday, we had some in Zone saying loudly and at length how bad the F2p players are treated in CO. They didn't shut up until I said something along the lines of "looks like the COH remake group are advertising."
Wonder if they are doing on DCUO and MO, as well.
I'm writing down handles and going to start screenshotting. for 11h and 11n
Just suspicious after seeing gamehobo, shoot themselves in the foot by saying they want CO to close down because it will be easier to get funding for their remake.
Now running in /anon and the only time they talk it's to insult someone, be rude about posts or badmouth CO.
In alerts, they are the Level 40's saying "do what we tell you, we are your only chance to succeed." literally
Yesterday, we had some in Zone saying loudly and at length how bad the F2p players are treated in CO. They didn't shut up until I said something along the lines of "looks like the COH remake group are advertising."
Wonder if they are doing on DCUO and MO, as well.
I'm writing down handles and going to start screenshotting. for 11h and 11n
Just suspicious after seeing gamehobo, shoot themselves in the foot by saying they want CO to close down because it will be easier to get funding for their remake.
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And playing by myself since Aug 2009
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Instead they're just trying to ruin the game(s) that exist because they imagine that will increase their chances of getting financial support for their make-believe projects, as Gamehobo inadvertently admitted.
The idea that their complaining and attempts at sedition will change anything, however, is a total pipe dream on their part. Players are interested, as the name suggests, in playing games... they're not going to give up on playing games that exist in favour of doing nothing at all, so...
Thankyfully we have other people telling them to put him on ignore.
and offering things for sale, then putting them on ignore "for being a new player, you get a free ignore" too bad he did it to a 4 year player who immediately told everyone on trade.
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excuse my ignorance, whats MO?
I support "Sell Z-store items individually" & Japan Zone
Yes the user chat ban system works. Works for the good of humanity.
Be the chat ban hammer this game needs.
I don't agree with undue paranoia about fools who spread lies about the game shutting down or whatever to get people to check out their new game.
I do agree that some unethical people from other game companies do try to sabotage and draw players away from a game to theirs so they can get funding.
I do agree that the fools going out of their way to spread harmful rumors should be simply tuned out, laughed at, or simply declared that what they claim is false/lies. (but going out of your way to abuse the chat ban system is no better)
I don't agree with getting in a flamewar with such fools. There's a saying that should be heeded, it's "don't feed the trolls". Everyone who gets in a shouting match with those people who make up lies, it's just giving them the attention they want. Same thing applies to people who troll costume contests. (and I know this is easier said than done, but please try to avoid giving them undue attention)
I don't agree that Champions Online is a large target.
I do agree that most of the things that have, or are, driving players to not want to play Champions Online as much are entirely issues that Cryptic/PWE created themselves from neglect, poor quality programming and customer service, and insufficient financial funding & marketing.
I do agree that the best way to combat this is to:
A. Dispel the myths (would really help if TrailTurtle would share some real statistical numbers with us)
B. Share the names amongst your friends and SG mates as to who the most problematic accounts doing this are, but do NOT make a campaign out of it (as you'll inevitably get some people falsely accused)
C. Get Cryptic to setup a "Refer a Friend" system that rewards players for referrals of new players that stick around for a certain number of hours of gameplay time.
(if somebody put you down as a referral and plays the game for at least 50 cumulative hours, then you get 50g to one of your characters)
(if somebody puts you down as a referral and buys a subscription, then you get 100 Zen accredited to your Champions Online account)
I can assure you that Cloudsatdawn is a nice lady and not the paranoid type of personality, her intent is the good of the community. I do think she might be getting a bit too emotional (anger in this case) as a result of the threat this person is creating to one of her favorite games. That's understandable, but I think this topic may have been made with some emotional charge to it.
And that said, I think it's good that this topic was brought up, although I worry about it becoming fuel to encourage the trolls that started the rumor in the short term. In the long term it's good to get such discussions out in the open.
You are correct there are always a few mouthy people in Zone chat, but the incorrect response is to take on a vigilante attitude with "be the chat ban hammer this game needs."
The system doesn't work, it's too easily abused. Anyone who encourages abuse of the chat ban is in the wrong. But then again I can't say I'm surprised when I consider what you've said in the past on these very forums.
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But what if I already have him on ignore?
Sorry was busy in alerts, didn't see line of Zone chat text for the last forty minutes, time for a break.
time to get housecleaning done. think I cycled through all the alts...*shudder*
the alt-aholices list is gonna need a lot of amendments after this weekend
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Marvel Online. It's an online Diablo clone where you can't design your own character.
Which was its main selling point.
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I did one better I PM'd some of them and asked them if they remember the Viboria Pay incident ,did they know The Krunch or who said "don't be a d!ck" and they had no idea what I was talking about. Though I'm no beta player I only know most of these things because of Ginger told me ( he is ), its still catches them out. I think most of them are nubs from TPP. Any future desire I had to help TPP with a kickstarter donation is now gone.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Some of the people who were "here since beta" is a high doubt. They are likely angry people who left sometime after the kitchen sink patch due to failure in adaptation, and came back angry at CO's continued support. Staying on topic, for them saying "since beta", is likely confused for saying "at beta".
I would layout long lists of pros and cons for each group, even the chat logs from TPP, but... I'm not here to step on dreams, even if they are somewhat misguided at the first, or take a huge step in the wrong direction.
You never know what some of the strangest people can accomplish. So just wait for them to work out the kinks or even present convincing products of the game.
Worse still people that go I HATE YOUR FACE! without even playing the game.
I am going to avoid TPP and H&V , it wont be hard they will never happen.
*EDIT*
I can confirm after logging into certain other super MMO brought to us by the people behind the Vita ( I dont wanna break TOS here ._." ) that they are indeed also doing the same crap in Gotham ._."
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Can't speak for MO but I have seen some of this in DCUO. At the time I didn't pay much mind especially since everyone just gets mad at any mention of another game and the discussion turns into yet another one about WoW. I didn't realize there was a concerted effort going on.
The Phoenix Project is being run by people from the Titan Network (I don't know if Titan is directly involved, or if the two just overlap). The people I know from that group are good people, and I have no reason ti believe that they'd take on other people that aren't.
However, when TonyV (head of the Titan Network) was organizing his "Save CoH" efforts, he attracted the following of hundreds of random people who did anything from following Tony's suggestions to emailing death threats to NCSoft.
Tony went publuc several times speaking against the bad behavior, distancing himself from those people, and begging everyone to stop acting that way.
If these people are doung this sort of thing "for" TPP, I doubt that they are actually members of that team, but rather misguided rabid fans.
As far as the other two projects go, I don't know enough about Valence's team to say if they'd do such a thing. H&V... Well, Golden Girl spewed so much CO hate when CoH was still thriving that I wouldn't be surprised if she or someone on her team tried to make CO fail just out of spite because CoH closed down and CO didn't.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Its way to organized to be just a bunch or random nubs all 3 super hero mmos are receiving this troll spam at a time when The Phoenix Project is just about to start its kickstarter seem a bit to much of a coincidence. But thinking about it now I think your right Bunny.
Consider this people.
Its a purposely but futile attempt to get people to get behind TPP or it looks that way. Who had quite a large guild in City Of Heroes so has a lot of trolls at her command , who hates the TPP guys , who hates CO , who hates DCUO.
Yeah it doesnt really take a genius to figure out what troll is behind this. GG is trying to make it look like the TPP guys are behind this. Thats just sad.
Or its Gamehobbo and DeLta. <
cause no one gave a f@&$ about either :P
Yeah good points Bunny it seems TPP are being framed for this by either one of these tools for reasons known and unknown.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Nope.
As a member of DE:LTA we haven't been trolling anyone or shouting abuse or bad mouthing CO in Zone chat.
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Saying nope means nothing.
I suggest you leave that SG you seem nice. Gamehobbo was banned for trying ( I say trying it was rather pathetic ) to sabotage the game, we all seen it, he cannot be defended. Doesnt matter. Anyone in Hobbo's group is suspect.
What Hobbo did was bang out of order and this type of nonsense seems something he would do.
GG or GH its one of the two. And Golden Girl has not tried to rubbish CO on it own forums I will give her that.
Not just me that seen it. I have also saved the pages of this thread before they where edited by the mods. The same crap we see in zone Gamehobbo said here.
These are the facts Raven. Deal with it.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
As your brown nosing for Gamehobbo I may as well back brosis up here. People cant post anything about Jay without you popping up its getting tiresome.
Ravenforce what part of Gamehobbo admitted to it don't you understand? When people admit to something other people tend to blame them for that something. Just saying. I'm also a beta player so this tactic pisses me off no end.
Git Gud M8!
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Cause I'm worth it. Playing since 2009.
I thought that at first also but then I seen peeps going on about how the games shutting and all sorts of other lies in zone then going on about how great TPP is. Get this , one idiot was using the same name in ALL three super mmos, @____derp . Ive blanked the first bit to keep within TOS but other forum goers might recognize this dork.
Other alts have popped up spewing the same crap and with buddies it seems. Its organized zone trolling. Consider also a certain person admitted they where doing this in this very thread ( thankfully the crap was removed by the mods but you see the reaction of other players ).
Thats why we went overboard it was a WTF not cool man moment.
Git Gud M8!
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Cause I'm worth it. Playing since 2009.
Like I said, it's behavior I'd expect from that other post-CoH camp. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Golden Girl had a hand in this sort of crap. It fits her general past behavior.
It's hard to imagine that a person with that kind of complex exists, but... the world has all sorts.
Thank you all for the other information,
lkaughingxan: yes i've seen them too. MY apologies, for the a.. holes in game. Maybe they should read the business section and see the company running the game was put into liquidiation in August, not the game closed and the company still there.
Ravenforce I would like to apologize to, for him/her getting caught in the middle. You have always been polite and helpful in game.
Yes Nepht, i understand they know each other and the SG may have problem people in it. But as your brother put in his post, not everyone in a group is bad. Some just go overboard.
Thank you everyone for looking at the people in chat and watching. I also will try not to feed the trolls but instead just call them out as Trolls.
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I haven't noticed a plethora of bad behavior/chat as I learned a long time ago to avoid paying attention to Zone, or am usually not in MC which is where most problems arise.
It's not great for rep when a player tells new people to press alt-f4, but at the same time most of those new people should already have enough windows experience to be aware that its the close window command.
If I'm in an alert and I see a 40 or 40s play as if they were level 6s, I don't bother to berate them, it's not worth the time and effort, let alone does no one any good. When I came back someone "demanded" that you always pull the boss in an alert (soul siphon mind you) despite the fact that I was not only tanking (holding threat and taking the main hits) but also doing the main damage.
Heck, when Cybermind was fresh my first run people complained like no tomorrow. My premade's would breeze through. Before it left, the people who ran it for the most part had figured it out and played fine, albeit a lot slower to finish than previously mentioned pre-made teams.
There are problem players in every community, but since coming back a week or two ago, I haven't seen anything out of the norm.
I might be right and I might be wrong about a certain aspect but what is known the person I mentioned has been trying to get players to leave the game for years coming on the forums and and just being a git. There comes a time when players that love this game just go enough is enough. The game itself needs in game mods.
My last comment in this thread : The deal with a SG is ( and I've learned this fact through MMO experience ) a SG is as innocent as its leader. You lie down with dogs you get fleas.
People can say whatever they want about me I dont care
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
* I seriously hope J did not do what is claimed in this thread.
* I want the griefers to stay out of the game, so op you keep on taking names, maybe if we all start reporting things will get better. I am so sick of this.
* I spend a great deal of time sending pm's to newbies asking questions. I'm not going into details, but the last few days have me seriously considering putting a stop to that practice.
*Whomever is doing this can go suck a rotten egg.
*The players causing server lag through use of a certain power while interacting w/objects....guess what? You aren't going unnoticed.
*That this is taking place during the anniversary is making me crazy Hulk style angry, I hope you stinking rotten dbag griefers stub your toe on a rusty nail don't see a doctor and have to go through a hideous series of tetanus shots.
*I want paid in game mods like other games have.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
What I think so many of you younger CO players just dont get is many who once played this game actively now only do so very occasionally and always ALWAYS are instantly overwhelmed with disgust and anger for how poorly this games development has been handled. What happened to CoH/V has only added to this as once many who dearly love this genre looked to CO as a potential next gen CoH but it never did even begin to equal what had been made by in part the same dev team years before and already had the benefit of lessons learned with their previous community or so we had hoped.
I freely admit for myself CO is a game I once called a love/hate relationship with a hot girl with no real substance and extreme vanity issues.
Now days its far worse, my contempt has driven myself to now treat and compare my relationship with CO to myself being an abusive child who pops into home now and then to terrorize my worthless parents who drove me to a life of apathy and contempt for the world.
CO has earned this kind of player hate to be frank, and we dont hate you fanbois, no we pity you as we would any mentally disabled person clearly suffering from delusions and likely some level of autism.
It may sound harsh but that is the only thing logic can lead me to think about people viewing CO as a viable long term game experience and those who have stayed and played here actively for more then 6 months are a demographic that I have to ponder if they are capable of more then living in their moms basement and staying in their fantasy life 100% of the time, that fantasy ofcourse being they are on a worthy game.
Really, if the issue is people from long ago who've given up on the game, why would they be logging in and spending prolonged periods of time in a game they profess to have abandoned, spreading lies in its chat? Do you go to the home of this alleged "girl" you allegedly once dated, and tell her family and friends how terrible she is and how she's going to run away from them all in a few months?
No, it seems far more likely that this is indeed being instigated by those with a vested interest in seeing CO fail, possibly because of an erroneous belief that this would somehow magically make money fall out of the sky and into their development coffers (as Jaybezz has already admitted to).
Now, I pose the same question to you that I have to so many before you: If Champions Online is so terribly hateful to you, and you have no interest in ever playing this game again - why are you here? Why have you not gone on with your life, abandoning that which no longer serves you? It's not like we're going into your home, dragging you to your computer, and forcing you at gunpoint to log in...
- David Brin, "Those Eyes"
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LOL its harder to believe MMO players who routinely hop around a large pool of MMO during the phase they would of normally hopped onto CO or CoH to enjoy some super hero style gaming, might have grown so full of contempt for cryptic that they enjoy stirring up the hornets nest and try to get people to full on forsake this game so it can die the death it deserves? Then to buy into that there is a conspiracy afoot by would be rivals to bring this game down first, when anyone who has played this game knows its not bringing in much cash anymore, and barely worthy of the life support its on.
I truly pity the game itself and those who play it with enjoyment, as it makes me concerned for their mental health and their lives and the lives of those around them. That is how bad I personally feel CO is these days and I simply enjoy haunting many forums of MMO I no longer actively play beyond very occasionally as a largely solo check out whats new type thing.
You see in my eyes CO was a great con, that took advantage first of the pre orderers and life time subbers who fronting that much cash at launch really should of been enough to see CO develop alot in its first year, then they immediatly planned on trying to charge for Viboria bay. A zone now largely forgotton by all but the RPers.
Never make an enemy of one who once was a loyal follower, that is what cryptic has done with many one time fans. Fans who feel betrayed can be vehement and unforgiving in their rage and it can burn for a very long time. NC Soft made the same mistake with its action of killing off CoH/V and now I know many who will never touch a game like GW2 myself included and have stopped my GW play as well as I dont want to contribute to their server pop even slightly.
CO I never log into anymore either. I could, and could as I did long before these attempts to bring about other Hero games had any real presence on the net. I take pleasure in bad mouthing a game, and revel in knowing each time I earned a chat ban doing it, that I was turning more players to the darkside of chat ban abuse, thus further fueling the flames of failure for this game. When there is nothing for a villain to lose, every act to stop him only plays into his hand.
Psilence, Founder of the Psilencers. May the silence over take the world and thus finally bring us peace.
I'd like to see where you get your figures for how much money this game isn't bringing in, but I'm pretty sure I can if I just look up to the thin air above my head.
Keep your pity. If you don't like the game, there's the door. A lot of us still do enjoy the game, and its infinite customization. I'm not sure you fully understand how much of a condescending toolbag you sound like, here.
History lesson, dude. CO was supposed to be Marvel Online. Marvel pulled their funding and license last minute, forcing cryptic to sell CoX to NCSoft just to get the game launched in the first place. And we've been skirting by on no funding ever since, because the fact that the game even *launched* was a miracle. We scraped by financially to launch here. We scraped by financially to launch STO, and they had to sell out to Atari to even make the launches happen.
Stop treating Cryptic like Blizzard, you obviously don't know a damn thing about the financial history behind all of this. We've only *really* had funding for this company since PWE picked em up. Neverwinter almost launched just like CO and STO did, buggy as hell and unpolished, but PWE specifically wouldn't let it happen, since they actually have the coffers to allow for a delayed launch for polish reasons. We still have bugs in game as proof of how this has never been the case before.
So what you're saying is "I'm not having fun, so I'm gonna ruin it for everyone else"? You're the worst sort of person. Pathetic. What you do when you pull that **** is make other people hate YOU. The game lives or dies on its own merits. I know you've done a good job of making me wish I could shank people via the internet, all you're proving is that people are in fact capable of being as sad and petty as I think they are.
RIP Caine
You sound like the one with mental health problems if you hang about the forums of games you no longer play just to moan. Its a very Gamehobbo thing to do. The playerbase has started to stand you to dicks like you and you just have a yak up your arse about it.
I must say sorry to Raven she is a very nice person , she just chose poorly with the person she hangs about with. Saying that yes I do know I hang with an almost equally annoying troll but I have an excuse thats my sibling
Git Gud M8!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Cause I'm worth it. Playing since 2009.