Boomerang Cone exploit needs to be eliminated/fixed...

agentnx5 · June 2013

Reminds me of the Team Energy Surge exploit all over again, but this time it's using a standard power and glitching it with a block. Using a macro script to make it function faster you can throw out major damage (up to 6000's) every 0.01 seconds. Not kidding.

That's right, easily 300,000 to 600,000 damage per second at level 40 when geared properly! And it's as easy as alternating blocking and throwing as fast as you can. For reference that's like killing Kigatilik with his almost 3 million HP in about 6 to 10 seconds.

THIS BUG SHOULD NOT EXIST!

At first it started among select groups of in-the-know players (like such thing usually do), but now it's so common I've seen even low levels in major/large supergroups doing it in common alerts. And let's not even get started with the people doing it in PvP...

So...

Can we get this bug fixed already?

Please?

Hello Cryptic North anyone home?

roughbearmattach · June 2013

It is kinda wacky when someone using this exploit enters an Alert, or even Gravitar, and just wins in seconds (minutes for Gravi).

Really, the power is plenty good--it doesn't need this ridiculous exploit, too.

roughbearmattach · June 2013

Just got out of an alert with Hroedigir. One player had boomerangs and dinos.

We beat Hroedigir in less than 10 seconds.

LESS THAN 10 SECONDS!

crypticbuxom · June 2013

I'm gonna play around with this before/when/if it gets "fixed".

EDIT:
So blocking a split second after you tap the power basically lets you ignore charge and activation time as well as energy cost.

We've effectively traded the device lag activation exploit with this block related ones.

roughbearmattach · June 2013

Likewise--I have two toons with this power that don't use the exploit. I would like to experience it first hand.

fudgemonsta · June 2013

Thing is, you don't even need a macro command to do it.

You can make a simple bind command in-game, and it'll do it for you with one keystroke.

Silly broken, but entertaining to watch Hi-Pan drop in four seconds.

crypticbuxom · June 2013

It almost makes the Backup Device issue pre-nerf look tame. Almost.

roughbearmattach · June 2013

It is much, much more broken than Backup! before the nerf, since there is no cooldown. The power isn't rare, or hard to get.

Imagine a team of people spamming Throwing Blades through Gravitar, a lair, or even team PvP. Heck, if Hero Games were active, this power would already have gotten a fix somehow.

monaahiru · June 2013

I thought hard how to do with this but even MD was useless and only thing I can do were Eruption or keep out from 50ft insta-death range.
This is hot and exciting in wrong-way. xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9e9Imn3xZU
I didn't even expect I can enjoy Bee Storm thrill in CO. xD

I just saw someone using this exploit in Smash and Legendary just melted even faster then Backup spams recent days.

bluhman · June 2013

Fix this, please. I'd rather get Carpal Tunnel syndrome some other way than through some stupid exploit not getting fixed soon enough.

monaahiru · June 2013

Nowadays, lowbies super-spamming Boomerangs in Smash !! OMG
Whose teaching !? o.O

theravenforce · June 2013

Yeah, this is a big issue, I know that the devs are aware of it and we will no doubt see a solution to it soon (hopefully this is not a flat nerf or a removal of critical hitting power).

Just did a nemcon with some boom users and it didn't take more than 5 mins, Shadow Destroyer inclusive...

bluhman · June 2013

I highly doubt we'll see some flat, unrelated nerf, because that won't get to the root of the problem. And that problem is that Throwing Blades is a ****ing weird cone:

- Not only the now obvious block bug, but...
- Has a delayed hit effect
- Doesn't damage objects!?

They got charge cones like Experimental Burst Ray or Telekinetic Wave to draw proper trigger code from; I'm pretty sure this is actually quite easy to sort out.

taintedmess · June 2013

bluhman wrote: »

I highly doubt we'll see some flat, unrelated nerf, because that won't get to the root of the problem. And that problem is that Throwing Blades is a ****ing weird cone:

- Not only the now obvious block bug, but...
- Has a delayed hit effect
- Doesn't damage objects!?

They got charge cones like Experimental Burst Ray or Telekinetic Wave to draw proper trigger code from; I'm pretty sure this is actually quite easy to sort out.

Just hope they dont lose the bounce I quite like the way it dose that

PS
Would also love to see it added to elec powers but only after its fixed

flamingbunnyman · June 2013

taintedmess wrote: »

Just hope they dont lose the bounce I quite like the way it dose that

Throwing Blades doesn't bounce, does it? I thought only Ricochet Throw did?

theravenforce · June 2013

flamingbunnyman wrote: »

Throwing Blades doesn't bounce, does it? I thought only Ricochet Throw did?

Throwing Blades don't bounce they do extra damage from stealth.

bluhman wrote: »

I highly doubt we'll see some flat, unrelated nerf, because that won't get to the root of the problem. And that problem is that Throwing Blades is a ****ing weird cone:

- Not only the now obvious block bug, but...
- Has a delayed hit effect
- Doesn't damage objects!?

They got charge cones like Experimental Burst Ray or Telekinetic Wave to draw proper trigger code from; I'm pretty sure this is actually quite easy to sort out.

Throwing Blades, aside from the working damage is one crazy power, it doesn't proc ANY AoE specializations such as Locus, cannot affect objects, delayed hit effect (severely in some cases) and yeah...it needs a fix....

riltmos · June 2013

monaahiru wrote: »

Nowadays, lowbies super-spamming Boomerangs in Smash !! OMG
Whose teaching !? o.O

It's because we keep making threads about it, not to mention someone on this thread said how it can be done pretty easily.

jasinblaze · June 2013

lowbies don't do enough damage in alerts has become lowbies do too much damage. frankly i blame the malvan forum.
even the Brazilians are doing it now jejewhoshjejeje
i imagine the nighthawk AT can do it too, all you need is one power
anyway the way i figure the more widespread it gets the more likely it gets fixed.
just enjoy the more social aspects of CO, chat during your alerts it won't matter just grab some popcorn

monaahiru · June 2013

Orbital Canon <<< Two Gun Mojo <<<<<<<<<<< Boomerang !!

Time to study Cryptic physical science !! xD

Probably Toothpick or something like that must be the most OP in this world.

bluhman · June 2013

Here's a more detailed measure of just how ridiculous these things are. It reveals:

You can be any role and still do ludicrous damage with Throwing Blades
You can do enough damage with Throwing Blades to kill an enemy that is otherwise completely impervious to damage.
Even if you have throwing blades and use the trick, you lose major DPS by not using it at every given second.

monaahiru · June 2013

Well, Throwing Blades spamming are just normal peaceful OP like some others.
But with button-mashing, like 16 shots in 1 sec with endless energy... will "melt" everything.

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greyerskies · June 2013

This seems to have become extremely common now. Every other alert, I hear that "whop-whop, whop-whop-whop-whop, whop-whop-whop" and see that dramatic side throw anim endlessly repeated (which looks ridiculous on most characters I've seen using it); just to make the obvious exploit that little bit more annoying.

Are my characters' chainsaws, pistols and laser swords forevermore doomed to redundancy versus the all-powerful "goofy ninja throw"?

keikomyst · June 2013

Seriously, why is Boomerang Cone so awesome and yet so utterly and inherently broken? Is it because it isn't a maintain like some of the other cone AoEs are? SMG Burst doesn't do this and it works fine!

Boomerang Cone has always perplexed me, for not being able to work on objects and applying a 'buff' that does nothing ("Throwing Blades", goes away in a second) ... it just feels VERY hodgepodge and held together with duct tape.

Needs fixing, not only to kill the exploit, but to make it all-around not-funky.

jellycupsowbug · June 2013

Being a cone, I'm surprised that they didn't make it "Boomerang Breath".

They should just remake the power. It's taking way to long to "fix" it, and the other cones seem to still work as well as they ever did, so it's not like they would have to innovate.

roughbearmattach · June 2013

Ugh.
It is becoming more and more common, just in the time between the start of this thread and now. I see new players adopting it and quickly leveling toons to 40 using this power, an energy unlock, Masterful Dodge, Concentration, and a passive.
*sigh*

fudgemonsta · June 2013

roughbearmattach wrote: »

Ugh.
It is becoming more and more common, just in the time between the start of this thread and now. I see new players adopting it and quickly leveling toons to 40 using this power, an energy unlock, Masterful Dodge, Concentration, and a passive.
*sigh*

Seems like a lot of selections.

Just pick AoPM, Conviction, and Boomerangs. Done, you got self heal, stats and tons of damage.

roughbearmattach · June 2013

Heh, but sad nonetheless.

theravenforce · June 2013

I liked Throwing Blades before the exploit personally, even though they were buggy, I liked the idea behind it.

Now it's just ridiculous..I was on a nemcon team the other day with my pet tech support build Techna Ology and BOOM SPAM EVERYWHERE!

I just got a little boost after the nemcon I duelled one of them and won :biggrin:

AoRP FTW!

I'm just looking forward to the fix, it means I'll be able to retcon my boomerang toon (YAY! Been wanting to forever!) buuuuuuuuuut also I get to try out a new concept AND don't have to worry about it ruining my and others game experience.

jasinblaze · June 2013

theravenforce wrote: »

I liked Throwing Blades before the exploit personally, even though they were buggy, I liked the idea behind it.

Now it's just ridiculous..I was on a nemcon team the other day with my pet tech support build Techna Ology and BOOM SPAM EVERYWHERE!

I just got a little boost after the nemcon I duelled one of them and won :biggrin:

AoRP FTW!

I'm just looking forward to the fix, it means I'll be able to retcon my boomerang toon (YAY! Been wanting to forever!) buuuuuuuuuut also I get to try out a new concept AND don't have to worry about it ruining my and others game experience.

You don't get retcons for fixed broken powers, everyone should get a retcon with telepathy though

roughbearmattach · July 2013

It is getting even more common now. I see Throwing Blades exploit in about every other Alert I take part in.

agentnx5 · July 2013

Saw it today being used to hyper-steamroll through VIPER's Nest on Elite. Killed Dr. Demogaard in a few seconds, and his pet after that. Pretty crazy when you consider the build that was doing the exploit was using a defensive passive too.

This is just getting stupid now.

keikomyst · July 2013

People are cramming all the exploiting they can before Cryptic drops the nerfhammer on Throwing Blades to make it useless.

*ineffectually throws confetti*

monaahiru · July 2013

I don't mind ppl using them in instance but not for Cosmic. Nooooooooooooo T.T

agentnx5 · July 2013

monaahiru wrote: »

I don't mind ppl using them in instance but not for Cosmic. Nooooooooooooo T.T

If it ruins the fun of the challenge for others, then it doesn't matter if it an instance or not.

If it allows people who abuse the glitch to accrue around 1000g an hour with relative ease (when other players not using it would take a hell of a lot longer to get that much), then it's not something which should be ignored.

If people abuse it in PvP so they can talk **** more, then frankly it just makes them look like a jerk and well... a n00b (by the appropriate definition, a player who thinks they know it all but actually don't have any skill or experience).

There shouldn't be an "ok" time to use an exploit, buy definition of what an exploit is. It's not an animation glitch. It's not a costume appearance glitch. It's not the brain gibblets glitch. Or the hold-your-gun-out or hold-your-sword-out continuously glitches. It's specifically and exploit which is commonly defined as:

Exploiting (gaming) -- "the act of abusing of a know game design or game engine bug/glitch with the intention of gaining something that players not using the glitch cannot possibly do, and the game designers did not engineer the game to be played in that way"

So... to clarify:

Not a glitch / "working as intended":

Using Sleep on somebody and then stabbing them with Shadow Strike.
Using devices to kill another player in PvP. (although generally regarded as "playing with a crutch" / cheap as the developers never properly tested the devices for balance with regards to PvP)
Using multiple powers that grant stealth to stay almost constantly invisible. Again cheap as it was clearly not tested well, but each component is working as intended and it is possible to counter with enough perception.
Using a lot of pets and summon devices to pet spam.
Using combination of debuffs and buffs such as fire snake to debuff to elemental damage and then hitting with an elemental damage attack.
Using vehicles' weapons (even if some of them like the Pulser are honestly overpowered) as intended

Glitches which are (or have been) exploited:

(Fixed!) Team Energy Surge device which was supposed to be a consumable. As result anyone could have spammable, 100% energy, always. Worse it could be glitched such that you could kill other players who were NOT in PvP mode. Essentially god-mode where you could attack non-combatants and not be attacked back.
(Fixed!) Nimbus of Force invincibility buy cycling between 5 devices on 6 builds (30 Nimbuses total). Instead Blood Moon devices were given shared cooldowns on identical items (something that is still pending to happen to those using the new Legacy Devices such as 5 NPGs or 5 Pheromones) so you could only use one at a time and builds were given 10 seconds cooldown between switching (longer cooldown if you're "in combat").
(Fixed!) Dodge tank of invinciblility, BCR with RR used to trigger every single tick of damage, leading to players who couldn't be killed unless you used BOTH the Trauma debuff and hit them with high burst damage when they were knocked off their feet (flatfooted characters can't dodge).
(Fixed!) Imbued pseudo pets. At one point you could use Imbue to give 100% critical chance to pseudo pets such as sigils, which was extremely overpowered. Initially Cryptic removed the criticals from pseudo pets, which just nerfed Grimoire, broke peoples builds, and didn't solve the root of the problem which was Imbue. Finally Cryptic, after much griping from the players nerfed Imbue into a weak Active Offense. Something frankly was long overdue but good riddance to the old broken Imbue-related exploits.
(Not Fixed!) [Incendiary Rounds 2] which is specifically listed as only a vehicle weapons, being used on characters where passives and such can buff it up to extreme DPS levels. This exploit is not as commonly seen because the [Incendiary Rounds 2] can only be stripped from a Hovertank-lockbox-only, rare, Avalanche tank. I haven't seen this around much so it could be fixed now, or simply the people that used it got bored of god-mode damage levels and stopped playing.
(Not Fixed!) Throwing Blades (this topic), aka. Boomerang Cone, being macro'ed or manually button-mashed between block and throw buttons to deliver EXTREME damage (and it's AoE damage too!) well above anything else in the game with no energy consumption and at a rate that makes other maintains look extremely slow (talking milliseconds here, up to 1000 Hz, where as other powers in the game are on a fixed 1 Hz to 10 Hz frequency, most are 0.5 between ticks of damage which is 2 Hz)

Bugs should get fixed. Exploitable bugs need to be prioritized to be fixed ASAP. Period.

No exceptions. No excuses. Dear Cryptic North, do your jobs and fix this already.

greeter777 · July 2013

monaahiru wrote: »

I don't mind ppl using them in instance but not for Cosmic. Nooooooooooooo T.T

Aren't you on the altaholic challenge? AND in second place? I would think this would bother you to no end knowing that people are leveling in minutes (not to mention the massive globals they are accumulating) what would normally take you days to do!

I find this exploit irritating on a whole new level! I've been playing since beta and wasn't annoyed by any power up until this point.

I usually find out about exploits well after the fix and even I can tell there is a major malfunction here.

I never used the "Report" function for anything up until two days ago to use for people using this horrible exploit.

Do we have any indication that the devs are aware, and/or working on it? Couldn't they simply replace the power with another power until they fix this one?

roughbearmattach · July 2013

How about people using the exploit to farm Mega Ds?

This is happening regularly now.

Joy.

flyingfinn · July 2013

They must be making billions of Gold.

roughbearmattach · July 2013

Yep.

Why, you may ask, are new costume parts, from a lockbox, selling for 2K? Because people have that much on hand.

Why are mod prices so low in the AH these days? Because people can routinely buy keys for Gs, at 10, 20, or 30 keys at a time.

crypticbuxom · July 2013

These super high prices for new costume pieces happened the second On Alert went live. I doubt its related to any new exploits.

monaahiru · July 2013

Fatal err0r !!

Probably its able for them to farm Mega-D in Resistance Elite mode but they still have to spend whole day for just like 500G or so. I think it will be lame day even with TB exploit.

There are no such cheesy farm method for Questionite so, I think it isn't so easy for them to farm keys so much.

fudgemonsta · July 2013

monaahiru wrote: »

Probably its able for them to farm Mega-D in Resistance Elite mode but they still have to spend whole day for just like 500G or so. I think it will be lame day even with TB exploit.

I make 200g's in an hour of Mega D farming on my dual pistols tank. 500 is nothing.

monaahiru wrote: »

There are no such cheesy farm method for Questionite so, I think it isn't so easy for them to farm keys so much.

Farm G's = Keys from AH or other people.

OR, farming Q is easy too. Find a spot with infinitely spawning guys like...Let's say...Vibora Apocalypse during Q hour?

monaahiru · July 2013

fudgemonsta wrote: »

OR, farming Q is easy too. Find a spot with infinitely spawning guys like...Let's say...Vibora Apocalypse during Q hour?

Free 10k Q hour !! Lol
But we don't need any special power for this. xD

flamingbunnyman · July 2013

monaahiru wrote: »

Free 10k Q hour !! Lol
But we don't need any special power for this. xD

You farm slow. Once a week, I turn on a movie and farm Q while I watch it. Two hours later, the movie's over, and I have 60-90k Questionite - enough to refine every day for a week or more.

fudgemonsta · July 2013

monaahiru wrote: »

Free 10k Q hour !! Lol
But we don't need any special power for this. xD

No, but Throwing Blades lets you do it 6 times faster then Lead Tempest, which is what I use. :rolleyes:

monaahiru · July 2013

flamingbunnyman wrote: »

You farm slow. Once a week, I turn on a movie and farm Q while I watch it. Two hours later, the movie's over, and I have 60-90k Questionite - enough to refine every day for a week or more.

Q drops amount change in normal or elite ? I never touched that. o.O

fudgemonsta wrote: »

No, but Throwing Blades lets you do it 6 times faster then Lead Tempest, which is what I use. :rolleyes:

I just keep block with Ebon Void in Circle of Primal Dominion and watch youtube just pressing [z] key sometime. Pestilence !! xD

roughbearmattach · July 2013

monaahiru wrote: »

Fatal err0r !!

Probably its able for them to farm Mega-D in Resistance Elite mode but they still have to spend whole day for just like 500G or so. I think it will be lame day even with TB exploit.

There are no such cheesy farm method for Questionite so, I think it isn't so easy for them to farm keys so much.

With the throwing blades exploit, each Mega D can be defeated in seconds. It is really, really easy to farm this way, generating truly massive amounts of Gs.

monaahiru · July 2013

If they farm like so, it will cause inflation of G not so far.

monaahiru · July 2013

Everyone got Banned from game, even a non-guilty tester !!! o.O

crappynamerules · July 2013

I think they are trying to fix this, but weren't quite aware of the problem. You actually can't tap spam throwing blades anymore, but I guess the block exploit works around the minimum charge time that was added.

Boomerang Cone exploit needs to be eliminated/fixed...

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