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cybersoldier1981cybersoldier1981 Posts: 2,501 Arc User
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Because I asked someone to stop using slurs against gays.

...I have a log.
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  • cybersoldier1981cybersoldier1981 Posts: 2,501 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Zone] Me@Handle: [NAME] stop with the anti-gay stuff, okay?

    [Zone #2] Name@Handle: pretty much

    [Zone] Me@handle: It's a douchebag thing to do.

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  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Mob rule. You said an unpopular thing, someone or someones ignored you or reported you for spam.

    Also could have piled up since your first day logging in. You never know.

    Also I'd avoid calling people names. :\
  • cybersoldier1981cybersoldier1981 Posts: 2,501 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Yeah, well- I'm asking the ticket lifted. Sorry, it's a d-bag thing to do is nothing compared to what I can't post in this forum.
  • trailturtletrailturtle Posts: 2,291 Perfect World Employee
    edited June 2013
    Send in a ticket, we'll get it squared away if we can. Hate speech has no place here.
  • cybersoldier1981cybersoldier1981 Posts: 2,501 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Send in a ticket, we'll get it squared away if we can. Hate speech has no place here.
    Traily, I sent one in with a log.

    I take 100% responsibility for calling/insinuating the name.

    If this gets resolved, consider me grateful beyond words.
  • nextnametakennextnametaken Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I thought policy was not to discuss bans or get further banned.

    I'm not discussing bans here, I'm just thinking out loud with my fingers.
  • cybersoldier1981cybersoldier1981 Posts: 2,501 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Here is the email I got. Kudos to this guy!
    It is crucial that, when reporting players for a chat violation, you use the Report This Player feature from within the game. This will capture vital information for my team to investigate the matter.

    Our servers are outfitted with a functionality that temporarily suspends chat privileges from players who have been flagged in violation of chat policies or for spamming. After reviewing your account we have gone ahead and reinstated these privileges. Please be aware that this is a one-time good faith gesture and if you receive a silence in the future you will need to wait for it to expire.
    ....

    Good Job, Cryptic! Thanks!

    Trailturtle, if you had anything to do with this one, man- thanks a lot. I owe you a few whiskey-drinks.

    Zone chat is OFF until the chat-mute thing is resolved. Sorry. I like to go and answer questions and joke with friends, but I don't feel good about it.

    Next time someone does something, even if it's hate speech- I'm not taking chances. I'll just report them straight away.
  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I thought policy was not to discuss bans or get further banned.

    I'm not discussing bans here, I'm just thinking out loud with my fingers.

    This is an in-game matter, not a forum matter.
  • atringatring Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Trailturtle, if you had anything to do with this one, man- thanks a lot. I owe you a few whiskey-drinks.

    Trialy strikes me as more of a lager-drink kinda guy. Maybe it's the avatar. :tongue:
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  • scorpagorscorpagor Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Here is the email I got. Kudos to this guy!

    I'm happy for you that the issue has been resolved, but I do think you're giving them too much credit. The response from Cryptic you posted is an automated message, as I recall Bob recieving the exact same message some time ago when he got chatbanned for no good reason.

    What bothers me the most is this part:
    Please be aware that this is a one-time good faith gesture and if you receive a silence in the future you will need to wait for it to expire.

    A one-time good faith gesture. So what it basically says is this: The chatban was totally your own fault and you should consider yourself lucky that the guy who reviewed this was such a nice person.

    In other words: working as f*cking intended.
  • cybersoldier1981cybersoldier1981 Posts: 2,501 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    atring wrote: »
    Trialy strikes me as more of a lager-drink kinda guy. Maybe it's the avatar. :tongue:
    No, he's gonna drink whiskey. No exceptions.
  • trailturtletrailturtle Posts: 2,291 Perfect World Employee
    edited June 2013
    No, he's gonna drink whiskey. No exceptions.

    I spent a couple months trying new things, and buying exotic and interesting drinks. Then I bought a $15, 1.5-liter bottle of Canadian plastic-handle whiskey and felt much better about myself. :D
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Its good to hear Cryptic are taking the issue seriously.
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  • sanmercisanmerci Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    To support both Trailturtle and Cybersoldier in this matter, I propose that you both let me make you proper God's Blessings (what less-favored individuals call Irish Coffee)- I make it with proper Black Bush and good coffee, ample use of heavy cream, butter, and a sugared-rim. For standing up for what's right, it's the very least you deserve.
  • cybersoldier1981cybersoldier1981 Posts: 2,501 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    sanmerci wrote: »
    To support both Trailturtle and Cybersoldier in this matter, I propose that you both let me make you proper God's Blessings (what less-favored individuals call Irish Coffee)- I make it with proper Black Bush and good coffee, ample use of heavy cream, butter, and a sugared-rim. For standing up for what's right, it's the very least you deserve.

    I'm lactose intolerant- can you recommend a substitute cream/butter?
    I spent a couple months trying new things, and buying exotic and interesting drinks. Then I bought a $15, 1.5-liter bottle of Canadian plastic-handle whiskey and felt much better about myself. :D

    You haven't hit rock bottom until you've bought a $10.00 handle of Military Special. We call it 'divorce booze'.
  • atringatring Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I spent a couple months trying new things, and buying exotic and interesting drinks. Then I bought a $15, 1.5-liter bottle of Canadian plastic-handle whiskey and felt much better about myself. :D

    I'll give ya that. Say what you want about Canadians, they make a decent whiskey!

    *ducks behind couch*
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  • sanmercisanmerci Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I'm lactose intolerant- can you recommend a substitute cream/butter?

    It ain't as good with NDC, but it can be done; butter is mainly used to bind the sugar to the mug- I'll experiment with other things, but an adequate substitute should be possible. If nothing else, you can just throw out the coffee, butter, cream, and sugar and just drink shots of Black Bush straight...
  • forutnefireforutnefire Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Send in a ticket, we'll get it squared away if we can. Hate speech has no place here.

    Trailturtle, we have no in-game GMs. As you know Cryptic is not willing/able to hire some or some sort of in between position. I have, along with others, offered to do so.

    If there were, they would see the times when zone chat gets so bad it can rival youtube comments. Zone chat is ok occasionally, but sometimes hate speech is everywhere. A responsible system would do away with this.
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  • jaguar40jaguar40 Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Trailturtle, we have no in-game GMs. As you know Cryptic is not willing/able to hire some or some sort of in between position. I have, along with others, offered to do so.

    If there were, they would see the times when zone chat gets so bad it can rival youtube comments. Zone chat is ok occasionally, but sometimes hate speech is everywhere. A responsible system would do away with this.

    This.


    And of course players, the mob chat system, shows it's ineffectiveness there. Those people that spew the hate speech, racial hate, gays, and all types of hate never get banned. So much for justice. But those that speak out get banned by the mob ran chat system.

    Some channels, I dont bother participating in, not because I'm not friendly, it's because it looks, outside looking in that hate speech is the norm and socially accepted by that community and especially when they have the power to literally silence who say something against it.

    And it seems, not sure about it personally for reporting on that type of stuff, but from the looks of it, reporting it does nothing according to many people I know and dont know experience. The same offenders remain day after day getting bolder and bolder. It seems within a few more days, people will start throwing around the n-word like no tomorrow. They already throw around the three letter f word or six letter one for the proper folks. It's sad and seems like no one is interested nor able to do anything about yet, the ones that point it out as wrong especially in the chat channel end up silence as if saying "Hey, man, bashing someone for sexual orientation is not right" is in the wrong while the one that does the bashing is right and it's upheld as being right.
  • flamingbunnymanflamingbunnyman Posts: 1,995 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Trailturtle, we have no in-game GMs. As you know Cryptic is not willing/able to hire some or some sort of in between position. I have, along with others, offered to do so.

    If there were, they would see the times when zone chat gets so bad it can rival youtube comments. Zone chat is ok occasionally, but sometimes hate speech is everywhere. A responsible system would do away with this.

    This has got to be a "certain time of day" thing, because I spend 3-4 hours online most days, usually around 8-12 server time, plus most of the afternoon on weekends. I rarely see objectionable behavior.

    When I do, I just ignore it, unless it gets spammy and unavoidable - then I /ignore them. Usually by the time I get to that point, others have too, and the problem corrects itself. I rarely call people out on it. I'm trying to reduce the number of online fights I get into. :tongue:
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  • xcaligaxxcaligax Posts: 1,096 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Trailturtle, we have no in-game GMs. As you know Cryptic is not willing/able to hire some or some sort of in between position. I have, along with others, offered to do so.

    If there were, they would see the times when zone chat gets so bad it can rival youtube comments. Zone chat is ok occasionally, but sometimes hate speech is everywhere. A responsible system would do away with this.

    It couldn't be players within the game that moderate zone chat. And if it were the case, then the player would have to understand completely, the user term agreements of PWE, CO, and the policies of the company regarding social gaming interactions in compliance of their terms. Smackwell for instance wasn't chosen out of the blue to be the player moderator. He was chosen because he demonstrated that he knew, maybe memorized, but understood and upheld the forums user term agreements, rules, and policies in relation to the companies interests.
  • lafury001200lafury001200 Posts: 567 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Did he apply for the position while playing a character named "Super *****"?

    Everyone likes Smacky but seriously Eula is not his middle name.

    Not that there is anything wrong with that, but lets not give Cryptic too much credit in IP protection or seriousness.

    yeah even the forum chat filter edits it.
  • roughbearmattachroughbearmattach Posts: 4,785 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I thought that butter had no lactose in it, or so little as to have no effect on the lactose-intolerant.
    It is basically modified milk fat.

    Oh, and let's see if the chatban system is changed because of Neverwinter.
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  • honestresearcherhonestresearcher Posts: 657 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Iv been Muted in-game for a second time now, and i rarely speak to others besides friends.

    Remove the whole thing id rather have gold sellers!
  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Did he apply for the position while playing a character named "Super *****"?

    Everyone likes Smacky but seriously Eula is not his middle name.

    Not that there is anything wrong with that, but lets not give Cryptic too much credit in IP protection or seriousness.

    yeah even the forum chat filter edits it.

    It's true, I'm no saint. I even joked about it during my "training" because it's not like I had a clean record or anything. Now O_Farmer, that's a respectable guy I don't think I ever saw break the rules.

    However, I believe I was chosen for the task due to the fact that I can be impartial and objective on matters (same for Farmer). Yes, there's the people that have said I'm biased from day one, but my various friends that I'd given infractions to and edited posts will surely debate that.

    So yeah, I've gotten my fair share of chat bans and infractions (back in the day) but I've always understood that I deserved them and never challenged then (and further, sending a "Thanks for the reminder, it won't happen again," note to the moderators). I may act like a five-year-old most of the time, but I know when to put my big-boy pants on. :biggrin:

    PS - This:
    Everyone likes Smacky

    is sooo untrue! :P
  • forutnefireforutnefire Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    xcaligax wrote: »
    It couldn't be players within the game that moderate zone chat. And if it were the case, then the player would have to understand completely, the user term agreements of PWE, CO, and the policies of the company regarding social gaming interactions in compliance of their terms. Smackwell for instance wasn't chosen out of the blue to be the player moderator. He was chosen because he demonstrated that he knew, maybe memorized, but understood and upheld the forums user term agreements, rules, and policies in relation to the companies interests.

    If mechanically possible, I think it could be players within the game.

    But you're right, I'd assume they'd need to be some sort of veteran (prerequisites of that are negotiable), some in-game leadership experience, and most importantly a damn good understanding of the rules and regulations.
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  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If mechanically possible, I think it could be players within the game.

    But you're right, I'd assume they'd need to be some sort of veteran (prerequisites of that are negotiable), some in-game leadership experience, and most importantly a damn good understanding of the rules and regulations.

    I also think it's possible, but you'd need a lot of players. I certainly wouldn't want to do it. I'd hate to log into the game expecting to play and see a giant backlog of people who need to be reviewed. The forums alone could take hours to get through back in the day when we had the ability to report posts.
  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,334 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    We already have chat moderation by players within the game. You can see how well that's working out.
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  • ashensnowashensnow Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    We already have chat moderation by players within the game. You can see how well that's working out.

    I agree with this sentiment in principle, but think that how something like this is handled could allow it to work reasonably well.

    Finding a few people willing to serve in this role, and vetting them in some way, seems likely to be less of a problem than allowing everyone in the game to have moderator powers.

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  • lafury001200lafury001200 Posts: 567 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    ashensnow wrote: »
    I agree with this sentiment in principle, but think that how something like this is handled could allow it to work reasonably well.

    Finding a few people willing to serve in this role, and vetting them in some way, seems likely to be less of a problem than allowing everyone in the game to have moderator powers.

    "Finding a few people willing to serve in this role, and vetting them in some way, seems likely to be less of a problem than allowing everyone in the game to have moderator powers."

    I'm with Smackwell on this, I think finding people willing to do so w/out compensation of some sort would prove difficult.

    That being said the logic in what I quoted seems sound but would add a few things (if they were implied and understood then apologies).

    1. You'll need to provide these people some cover. Anonymity would be a good start.
    2. They would need some way to affect another player's account in a negative or positive way. I'll let the smarter players hash that one out, but given that they would have access to personal info (yes I know that sounds scary but aforementioned info is just logged type in a game) this might spook some people....which leads me too 3.
    3. You'd want some sort of final arbiter on the matter, be it Cryptic employee or another volunteer.

    This seems like it would just require too much, would it really be too much work for Cryptic to change things back to the way they were at launch? Don't like what someone says? Blam ignore. But that ignore no longer affects that players enjoyment of the game.

    also sidenote/correction: Yes Smacky everyone likes you here on the forums! Game I can't speak too with your blasphemous comments re: the most awesomest character of all time. But here on the forums we "luuuurrrrv" you. You will just have to deal with it. You're like Nepht. Everyone likes Nepht.
  • ashensnowashensnow Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    "Finding a few people willing to serve in this role, and vetting them in some way, seems likely to be less of a problem than allowing everyone in the game to have moderator powers."

    I'm with Smackwell on this, I think finding people willing to do so w/out compensation of some sort would prove difficult.

    That being said the logic in what I quoted seems sound but would add a few things (if they were implied and understood then apologies).

    1. You'll need to provide these people some cover. Anonymity would be a good start.
    2. They would need some way to affect another player's account in a negative or positive way. I'll let the smarter players hash that one out, but given that they would have access to personal info (yes I know that sounds scary but aforementioned info is just logged type in a game) this might spook some people....which leads me too 3.
    3. You'd want some sort of final arbiter on the matter, be it Cryptic employee or another volunteer.

    Ultimately my point was that a few people, carefully selected, with this kind of power seems likely to be better than giving everyone moderator powers. I didnt comment on the idea of removing the system entirely because I was replying to Jon's post that didn't really touch on the subject.

    For what its worth I completely agree that the ideal (for me) would be to remove this system entirely. If I don't want to see someone's posts I ignore them. But my disinterest in reading player X's posts shouldn't deny anyone else the right to decide what they want to read.

    I don't think that a volunteer moderator would need access to anyone's personal information in order to do their job. The current state of the matter pretty much proves that Cryptic has some code that allows for chat-bans without the banner having any of the banee's personal information.

    It seems that all that would need to be done is to have the number of reports/ignores needed to chatban be raised to ten thousand, and then code it so that the moderator's report counts as ten thousand.

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  • lafury001200lafury001200 Posts: 567 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Oh my bad. I hadn't had my coffee yet, apologies.

    "It seems that all that would need to be done is to have the number of reports/ignores needed to chatban be raised to ten thousand, and then code it so that the moderator's report counts as ten thousand."

    This would work, probably easy to code. Excellent idea. I hope the nw folks have better luck than we do and maybe this &^%& system will be a lousy memory.
  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Hey it would get griefers to refer their friends so they could get ten thousand people for targeted chat bans. More money for Cryptic!
  • sanmercisanmerci Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Hey it would get griefers to refer their friends so they could get ten thousand people for targeted chat bans. More money for Cryptic!

    Oo- way to really turn it into a moneymaker! Add an option for each /Ignore to attach a /chatban rider... at a cost of $1.00 each. Continue requiring 10,000 /chatban votes to actually silence a spammer (or the intervention of a GM/CM...)
  • c0wb0y33c0wb0y33 Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I got "Silenced" for asking Emrad Worrior, what's an "Emrad", once mind you. To much power for anyone person to have.:confused:
  • iamruneiamrune Posts: 969 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    c0wb0y33 wrote: »
    I got "Silenced" for asking Emrad Worrior, what's an "Emrad", once mind you. To much power for anyone person to have.:confused:


    What's a 'Worrior' for that matter? Or an Emrad?
  • jaguar40jaguar40 Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    iamrune wrote: »
    What's a 'Worrior' for that matter? Or an Emrad?

    I think Emrad is Electromagnetic Radar iirc.

    Worrior, you got me there.
  • clcmercyclcmercy Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    iamrune wrote: »
    What's a 'Worrior' for that matter? Or an Emrad?

    Maybe it's this?

    Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,334 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    jaguar40 wrote: »
    I think Emrad is Electromagnetic Radar iirc.

    Worrior, you got me there.
    He's worried about being spotted by EMRAD? Seems an awfully specific thing to name yourself for, but whatever...

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  • atringatring Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    He's worried about being spotted by EMRAD? Seems an awfully specific thing to name yourself for, but whatever...

    :wink:

    Maybe he took a weakness to it as a disad. :biggrin:
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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,334 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    atring wrote: »
    Maybe he took a weakness to it as a disad. :biggrin:
    Yeah, but wouldn't that be like Supes naming himself "Please Don't Hit Me With Kryptonite Man"? Or Bruce Wayne dressing up as "Hey, Did You Know I'm Not Bulletproof"?
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  • atringatring Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I never suggested he was terribly bright... :wink:
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  • canadascottcanadascott Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    iamrune wrote: »
    What's a 'Worrior' for that matter? Or an Emrad?

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