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Whats the merit for doing Melee while we have so many viable Ranged DPS build?
monaahiru
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Where did the glorious days of Melee Tank build go?
Telepathy now ! But Melee for next !!
Where did the glorious days of Melee Tank build go?
Telepathy now ! But Melee for next !!
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There, viable melee!
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I'd like to see a crowd control pass before a melee buff. Some cc should be brought up to par with Ego Sleep and Bolas. Give us more variety. I also think knocks need to be toned down a bit. Just make it full immunity for a short duration after being knocked the first time and ditch the whole 3 stack rule. Spamming knocks are the new cheese for pvp these days.
I don't work at Cryptic. I know what I would do to balance melee with ranged. I'm practically writing a book on it.
Gotta add Close the Gap too.
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Also, I don't think ranged has anything similar to Thundering Kicks' flat 18% Dodge buff with no CD.
Not necessarily Tank Melee..
Then again it's considered ranged. But 4m isn't really ranged is it?
Range can fully charge attacks any time> melee must be in close range for the duration of the charge.
Same with maintains.
Then range has the advantage of positioning AOEs more safely and effectively.
CC is a joke in this game but is more useful to ranged toons and less useful against them.
Melee has trouble with hit boxes of large bosses and generally remains exposed to their most devastating attacks which are usually pbaoe.
This game is built in such a way that it basically caters to builds that are ranged DPS, tanks, or in many cases ranged dps tank mages. If you enjoy playing healers, CC, or melee you can but these roles are unnecessary in 90% of the game with CC being the most useless role.
LOL i just Googled "tank mages" and this is literally the first image that popped up.
If your looking for a role with "merit" try the tank mage!:cool:
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Well, at least the mobs in COX had specializations and roles. Each villian group in COX had a different focus
Tsoo: Melee and healers
Devouring earth: buffs and CC
Freaks: high speed heavy hitting melee and self heals/rez
COs mobs are all the same tankmages. I mean, does it really matter who you choose to fight in the PH? All the villain groups in CO are just re-skins of eachother with the small variation of what schtick the high ranking mobs use.
Throwing tank mage PCs against tank mage NPCs is what makes it feel like such a zerg fest.
PVP is starving without rewards
1. Please give us Daily PVP missions that reward Questionite.
2. Please give us an exchange rate between Acclaim and Recognition so that PVP has access to all "On Alert" PVE rewards.
Both of these are less annoying when you remember to use the "Follow" button. But yeah, it's a pain when you fully charge that attack, and then just before you release, the enemy knocks or holds you or takes one step back, or whatever, and you lose the attack. :mad:
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I never seem to have that problem bunny. I usually just root them in place with a lunge before I send them flying to Tokyo.
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To clarify, the inability to fully charge a melee attack mainly comes into play on PVP.
My statement was more to the general inconvenience that comes with melee (even in pve).
Yes, you can lunge to a target and then attack but that's an extra step that must be taken before you can even begin to queue up your attack. If your using a melee cone, then you may have to lunge, and then reposition to get all of the mobs in line before you attack, where as a ranged cone like for example grasping shadows requires lower maintenance to keep the max number of targets in a cone.
With range, i don't really have to do much if any thing to set up and maximize my attacks, where as melee requires way more movement/positioning to get results that range from similar to inferior (depending on what your up against).
My main is melee, so its not like i hate melee. Its just that range is way more user friendly, an advantage that can be negligible in your average CO battle but can be more prominent in tough fights and in pvp.
PVP is starving without rewards
1. Please give us Daily PVP missions that reward Questionite.
2. Please give us an exchange rate between Acclaim and Recognition so that PVP has access to all "On Alert" PVE rewards.
To bad the "follow" command had a speed nerf when we got Athletics and Mach Speed. And that it doesn't even work in PvP.
If done right massacre can crit for 10k
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If done right Dragon's Claw can hit for that much without crit.
Yeah but at least massacre doesnt look like your doing Tai-bo
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And Massacre leaves your back exposed to attacks after each attack, the furthest from what an actual animal does. What's your point?
Yep. I do both Ranged and Melee but I sometime feels I need some Penalty for my Ranged build.
I think some fix for Ranged/Melee DPS or Tank role "percentage" will work good for this.
1) Using Primus Spark Shield and never blocking unless absolutely necessary = more DPS
2) Your Fire Snake attacks/debuffs immediately
3) You can use Laser Knight (oh wait, 2GM w/Close the Gap and Demolish, oops nvm!)
4) Hmm there is no #4...
My suggestion for balancing this would be to let STR buff melee damage by a multiplicative %. For a superhero game, super high STR just doesn't have enough benefits IMHO and I think this could help a lot of powersets, i.e. Might.
That should make a power like annihilate have the highest dps in the game, but it is nowhere close.
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I would have to agree with this so hard. Its why I sighed when I heard the Haymaker, Roomsweeper and the like was getting rebuffed while none of the Heavy Weapon powers were.
I do not care about open for attacks and all that ho ha I just dont want to look like a tool when I am attacking
Games a cake walk so I just pick stuff that looks cool.
Look at Dragon's Wrath firstly its a plebeian move thats spammed by Darth Dragonball ASSassin froobs ( yeah I am a b&^$h you guys should know this by now ) its animation also looks poo. Theres lots of reasons NOT to use a move.
Most ranged attacks also look poo :<
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How about personal enjoyment of the game?
Why should anyone be "required" to make a FotM type of character if they're not going to have fun playing it?
What is the sense of having all these powers to choose from if one is only going to pick the "best" ones?
And finally.....because it is EVER so much more satisfying to be all up in someone's face beating the snot out of them than pew-pewing from blocks away.
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IMO, the general issue with melee vs ranged isn't about raw numbers. I can get good numbers with Might now (even though I'm pigeon-holed into statting crit). It's easy to compare numbers against stationary targets.
The real issue is mobility. Lunges aren't good enough to close the gap for a variety of reasons. I'm not just talking about PvP, but try running a timed alert with 3 melee characters and a ranged character who kept kiting the boss. If that person who kited were to keep dying and respawning every 10 seconds, rendering his DPS and stars non-existent, the group would have more of a chance of winning the alert. Because the 3 melee characters are spending more time relocating than doing damage.
Ranged does not have this problem. It can stand where it wants without interrupting its flow of DPS. Even if you were to nerf raw numbers of ranged powers, it likely wouldn't impact the overall DPS compared to melee all that much. A smaller constant flow is still better in most cases than occasional big hitters.
I won't even delve into how PvP works in melee vs ranged, because it's just ridiculous without using overpowered devices to compensate.
This isn't an issue unique to Champions. Try playing a fighting game which is melee-focused, but has a ranged character. Now have that ranged character fight a character who cannot run in the game, only walk and hop. You know what you get? This. It doesn't matter that the melee character can murderstomp the ranged character if he gets a good hit in, because he'll barely have a chance to make that hit. (The melee char did win in the clip I linked, but I think you can compare how much effort each player had to put in for a victory.)
I don't believe this can be solved without changing the mechanics to their core. Like making all attacks root you, or making almost all ranged attacks root you. It's too much of a deviation from gameplay everyone is already used to. And it likely just isn't fun.
But don't worry, because even if you're melee, you'll likely be able to handle any current content. PvP does not have any reward worth stressing over, so if you're playing it just for fun (which, if you are playing it at all, you essentially only have fun as a motivation), you can have that with most matches.
Only worry if we ever reach a point where you basically either can't play as melee, or the amount of effort it requires is insane compared to ranged. Something like the flying bots around Harbinger were, only much, much worse.
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