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Maintenance & Release Notes, 5/24
trailturtle
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We will be having maintenance tomorrow to improve the Forum Malvanum alert.
Start time: 7 AM Pacific
Release Notes:
- The villains of PSI have escaped one fight too many, with their evasive behavior leaving the crowd psilent instead of enraptured by the spectacle. PSI will no longer leave the Forum Malvanum, leaving heroes without targets to compete against.
- After traveling thousands of light years to reach Earth's moon, Tateklys has made a short jaunt to an Ikea and picked up brighter lighting for the Forum Malvanum. Those who claim that his golden skin lacks luster, making him simply gauche, have been appropriately shown up by the Praetor of the Lunar Games.
Start time: 7 AM Pacific
Release Notes:
- The villains of PSI have escaped one fight too many, with their evasive behavior leaving the crowd psilent instead of enraptured by the spectacle. PSI will no longer leave the Forum Malvanum, leaving heroes without targets to compete against.
- After traveling thousands of light years to reach Earth's moon, Tateklys has made a short jaunt to an Ikea and picked up brighter lighting for the Forum Malvanum. Those who claim that his golden skin lacks luster, making him simply gauche, have been appropriately shown up by the Praetor of the Lunar Games.
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Now it's only able with 5 lvl40 good DPS.
Just one Healer, Low DPS Tank or Lowbie in team is Auto-Fail.
It ...uh ...just looks like they all swarm into a corner and squeeze through a crack in the wall.
I'm not sure if that's how it usually happens, but I laughed when I saw it.
Timer isn't changing. The amount of time intended is the amount that you get after the cut scene ends. This fight isn't meant to be easy, and the eighth round is intentionally very, very difficult.
Fixed! And fix is verified, with the help of some very awesome forumites -- shout-out to everyone who gave some time to appease the Great Old One RNG.
New headcanon.
This is terrible. I've seen very, very few people get past it. Hell, 30 more seconds would help. I'm trying to figure out what happened to the middle ground between 'easy' and 'virtually impossible'. If I've got no chance of winning something, I don't bother with it. Hell, I don't even play slot machines.
Otherwise, you'd might as well be honest on this and say 'requires lvl 40 DPS to complete'.
Any word on fixing those costume materials- the gladiator helmets, boots, and gloves?
So basically the alert is a waste of time to queue up solo since it requires a full team of lvl 40s that can pump out ridiculous amounts of dps.
"Hey here's some new content. I hope you enjoy what little you get to see since you won't be able to finish it."
I thought this alert was not all-or-nothing.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
If you fail to defeat Ironclad and his buddy you get like 11-12k resources.
As for the Duratok/Ironclad fight, I runned the new alert yesterday once... using my lvl 40 multipurpose survivable support, with relatively low dps. The team had some other lvl 40s for sure. All rounds were extremely easy, with only the two awesome gladiators requiring some more time. Then the dreadful duo comes along and we are able to knock out Duratok and leave Ironclad with roughly half a bar. I still got 11K resources (plus the rewards from the daily mission).
I have the impression that on a prebuilt team the fight would be more doable.... the two spread out making AoE power half as effective. With a good team you could corral them and AoE them out of contention, othewise... fail.
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It always takes like one minute to just take one of them down with alot of power, 30 more seconds would be a fair amount so it's still difficult but not nearly impossible.
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A good tank and some AoE attacks to attack/get aggro from both at the same time, maybe.
Very hard but not unfeasable. Rarely succeded. Too bad for the lower levels (below 35, OMHO), as they lack enough efficiency. It's better to form a 4-5 team before queueing.
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People want 40s so that they're getting people with a full selection of powers, advantages, specs, and gear.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Someone below lvl39 is death for all team.
I just leave from map when we where not all lvl40 team.
Some of us like to get as far as possible with what we're given, even when we know it's going to be impossible to complete. After all, you still get rewards as long as you complete round 5.
If you intend to grief every team you end up in that isn't good enough for you, please don't queue until you've formed a full team that meets your approval, so that WE don't have to put up with YOU making us fail.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Can you really blame them for hiding? After the horrible treatment hero telepaths have gotten? And if villains are treated worse that heroes....:eek:
But yeah, its nice to see this fixed...its a massive shame about the DuraClad Timer though..It was originally 1:30 on PTS and we complained...we were told the timer was being adjusted...and apparently this is no longer the case..
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Then, there should be 2 queues as it was done in pvp. I think mixing 2 things is a bad idea. While I won't be a quitter myself, I can forsee that this would be a pain if you can't get a premade team together that basically defies the whole alert philosophy.
But being particular about the team makeup, queueing solo, and then quitting because it isn't good enough is greifing, plain and simple.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
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It is not different from the timed smash alert, just that the chances of succeeding are smaller. From what I got yesterday, initial and early quitting was quite frequent so you can judge it whatever way you like but this is what it is happening.
While I don't quit, if I see that the team makeup does not have chance of succeed I just take things lightly and relax during the alert.
Anyway, we'll see how it goes this weekend, to see if Devs did right or wrong.
If this person is able to leave the alert, then the alert is working as intended. You can't have a go at the guy about it. It's his choice.
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The alert time is a significant problem. This isn't like Gravitar where there's a method that you have to adapt your tactics to. This is a broken timer. I'm not sure how this was tested- though I'm sure everyone dragged out their elite builds for it- but unless you have a full team of DPS toons, you will fail this alert.
If your game is going to cater to only one playstyle after you've boasted that one can have ultimate customization, you may need to re-evaluate your content.
"Screw you, you useless n00bs that thought a F2P game should not require a subscription to be able to handle content, screw you idiots who thought that 'being the hero you want to be' means you don't have to be all-out DPS."
Gee, thanks. I'll remember not to renew my subscription because being screwed on number one is at least cheaper than being screwed on num,ber two. At least Cryptic made the decision easy.
Saves me time. I don't have to bother with this alert. GG.
Way to take a quote out of context. In the post you quoted, I was telling people to stop complaining about the timer starting before the cutscene when it was designed to take the length of the cutscene into account, and to complain about the amount of time given instead.
You, on the other hand, are suggesting that just because a method exists to leave an Alert, it's ok to use that method to grief others.
Then again, if that's true for chat bans, I guess it is here too. Forget I said anything.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
I ran the alert last night and we gout PSI and managed to curb stomp them.
However, when Duratok and Ironclad came up we "failed." With about 30s to spare we took down Ironclad and just as the timer ticked down from 1s to 0 Duratok went down but it still failed. Guess we have to shave 1s off our time.
Best part though was that the cutscenes didn't lock up my computer.
100% agree here...
Seriously...
If you really want to make this uber challenging.. or for those who earn it.. why not make the alert lvl 35 -40 only like Gravitar?? or better yet...lvl 40 ONLY... after all they want the best of the best...
If it's really meant to challenge those players, you can see why this question is being asked.
I never said it's okay to grief others.....unless, of course, you can show me where I did. Jeez, and you're accusing me of taking things out of context.
Perhaps some self reflection on your part is called for.
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If you really want to be "difficult" you already did that with the scaling and nerfing my 40s. I beg to wonder if many of the devs and higher community have actually ran smashes where many of us had to carry others who couldn't contribute. It's funny that now I can go to neverwinter where they easily make sure the so called instances of quests there that are similar to alerts they don't nerf the players but only let you queue ones that are close to your level. Hint. Hint
Telling me at this point something like that wouldn't be feasible with the system would be ridiculous because all the games share about the same coding at this point and NWO's is just a slightly newer version. Between games now there should be more trickling of improvements going back and forth at this point. We were already given a better invasion ending simply by allowing that mission to be 35+ and it felt a lot better.
With these quotes I have to agree as with all the work the devs did in cutscenes and the fact I do love the fact of the eighth round why should there be a timer for it? Why not put in a fail condition if your team all falls and block entrancing for that round until that fight is done? You nerfed us to 30 and most of the community in this game at this time after over 4 years has a 40 not below. I really understand you want to implement content for everyone, but you cannot cater to both at once like this. Stop gating the 40s lower when the whole focus of this event was to be the best of the best and focusing on the character.
I feel both the duo round 8 and the final round should be like gravitar's fight with the gating on death instead of a timer. I wouldn't know on firewing because I haven't had a chance to reach him, but like any gladitorial combat it wasn't a show with a timer, but the fact with competition it was about who was better and even if the duo was to go easy, both sides should be able to fight their all without a restraint of a timer. It gives a bit more variation too. The only reason I can think of as to a why not is the whole time of things if it works right or not if done. As to what it seems from one stand point understandable if you don't want yet another bug, but in the long run if it works fine of it done without a timer and a fail condition would be much much better.
Basically like these comments here I can just about stand by is why bother with this alert? It'll be exactly like sky command. Your player base is telling you not to make it easy, but to make so people will want to run the content.
There's a reason people can always enjoy blood moon and the winter and anniversairy ones and you know what? I could say the lemurian invasion and nighthawk might actually fit in there now too. Maybe they would enjoy the other stuff you put in as events because you listen to the player base to make it better. We don't want a hand out to get to the last round, but we want it feasible if you're going to put us to 30 that we can actually see the end of the fight. The fact its now coming to actually having to assemble a team of those more so on the pay to win side of things is a bit much. Otherwise you are most likely going to be paired up with anyone on the low side which for many I have.
So again those that are paying in this case I am like many others on a monthly basis why should we get the frustration on it?
You want to cater to silvers, golds, lifers and everyone doing all of that inbetween. It's not rocket science or that difficult to make money and please a player base. You could even go as far as saying there are ways to actually topple over WoW if you did it appropriately but the first and foremost is to listen to those here.
You're making it hard to keep supporting at this pace as I'm slightly worried now on how you'll handle any other events that will come out. I don't log in as much as I used to as is because how certain things are handled.
(and another thing, make rewards not just cosmetical, make it mean something, like when i played the warlord event and he dropped a -15% res core mod, INSANE for a challenge that trivial. Make the malvanum phatter still or nerf the easily grindable loot)
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Custom alerts are up for two weeks, then go to the next one. Warlord had its two weeks. It's over. Normally, we'd be starting "GRAB the money and Run!" today, but the Forum Malvanum was inserted in the rotation before it.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
It is? Wow, I just got it very recently myself.
On the topic though, I sincerely hope that these half-asked, unfinished and rushed 'events' aren't some sort of a sinister plan so make players turn away from CO so that the people who aquired it along with the developers would have a good excuse to shut it down.
They should realize the potential in CO and bring back the full dev team to concentrate on some actual content, not have someone throw us a few empty promises of thing we'll never get to see. OR broken content.
Think u misunderstood, i dont want the whole game to be hard, i want it to be different levels of challenges, and the incentive to do them. Yes only the most powerful should require a team, that i agree with, like the forum malvanum last challenge. But im talking about people wanting it easier, so the there will be no "most diffult" Can't there be both? I like casuals, they are probably more sane than me that dosent spend insane amount theorycrafting and trying to find ways to increase my dps maybe 5% more. But thats how i enjoy my mmo's, and most mmo's can accomodate for both. It just seems that all the players think its a human right to be able to clear ALL the content, not something to be aspiring to be able to.
I like the difficulty of the alert, its nice to actually see something challenging for a change in champs. I do however wish that players with level 40 fully geared toons would quit being weakened. We do all the math and get all the best gear just to be dropped down to level 30, it kind of makes leveling a toon to 40 almost pointless.
Also this times 100000000000000000000000000000000, getting really tired of being nerfed for reaching max level while others are getting *pat on head* "it's ok you dont want to actually play the content or level in our game will just bump you to 30 when you want to do alerts". Tired of carrying people through alerts so they can powerlevel their toons without ever stepping foot out of MC. I had a f2p player who has been playing since alerts ask me how to get to MI, they were level 40 and had leveled all toons through alerts.
As has been noted by several players, ATs have been pretty successful in the alert:
I like it, and hope to see more content that's based on this in the future...how about a new zone for players?
Like solo content arenas.
Hope to see more... And trailturtle, any ideas for adding some PvP reward system in the future? Just to make sure if I should get that ebon ruin or not XD.
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I'd like to see the quotes where others state that. Preferably including ones stating they were using Behemoths, Glaciers or Radiants.
If you can't find them either, maybe there's a reason for that.
It was alright, though I still don't really see how the racing rings tie in. Also, what was that artifact we recovered from racing? Really rather curious about that.
Apart from that, for a race who has a galactic empire and enslaved such races like the Roin'esh, Malvans looks like a bunch of hobos, to be honest. I expected a high tech arena rather than a stone pit. Sort of dissapointing.
Apart from that, the timer did help a lot but it still requires a pre-made team of high DPS characters. Ranged in fact, Melee barely catch up and only are useful for the Arena Veterans and Duratok & Ironclad. Otherwise ranged own during the waves. And the rewards are rather underwhelming, I mean- 4G and a chance for a costume piece of an action fig? Meh.
I like the alert, but should have been planned better and made better aesthetically.
Granted, I found his fight interesting as it's similar to Gravitar's bubbles ("F**KIN' BUBBLES!") without the OHK (mostly), so you have to move if you're not made of iron.
And I wouldn't call wave 8 difficult. A timer with damage sponges where all you have to do is spam your stronger attacks and pray you and others can hit hard enough before the clock reaches 0 is fake difficulty.
Well with that said, mind if I make a new suggestion? Either shorten up the intro speech to the eighth round or make the timer not start until after the introductions are out of the way. It seems kind of silly to have 2+ minutes when the majority of it is spent listening to the voices of the characters. I personally try to run this with my 40 toons, and they aren't the most effective in dealing massive damage, and it also doesn't help when I have teamates who are fresh to the game, like they just got out of the powerhouse after creating their characters fresh. That is my only concern, other than that excellent addition to the content.
That he is. To be honest, his voice is a little strange, I pictured him as an elitist alien rather than a villain sounding phoenix flight user.
The most mind-boggling aspect of this content is that it requires GOOD level 40 characters to be successful, but it's using the Auto-level-to-30 system to accommodate low-level characters whom are incapable of effectively contributing.
Imagine a team of five level 15 characters trying to complete this alert on their own.
Also, the design of the arena is sad and embarassing. What happened to the artists from the beautiful Lemurian 10-man alert? These stone textures look like someone experimented with the noise and bevel filters during their first use of Paint Shop Pro from 1997. And why is a high-tech space arena made of stone at all?
I can now attest that a team including one lvl 37 Invincible and one really good healer (seriously, thanks, man - didn't catch your name, but you saved my shiny metal can a lot!) can take Ironclad down and get Duratok down to 1/2 before time runs out. I didn't catch the other types or levels, because I didn't take the time to hit O, but there was also at least one Impulse or similar force user. Still didn't finish, and still laughed at the idea of a "crack team of Gadroon commandos".
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