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Who would win in a fight: Therakiel or Takofanes?

zedbrightlander1zedbrightlander1 Posts: 3,797 Arc User
edited May 2013 in Champions Online Discussion
The topic is in the Subject.

Let the inane logic begin.
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  • chaelkchaelk Posts: 7,732 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ones undead and the other is not alive.
    Depends who has the fastest regen and recycle after death(redeath)

    I wouldn't want to be around if they get into a fight
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  • mushermusher Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    If it's a strict 1 on 1 Therakiel would have a good chance with his eye beam and massive damage spin-strike, but Takofanes has Doomlords, while Therakiel only occasionaly spawns enforcers and statues. Takofanes would take a fight like that.
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  • ashensnowashensnow Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Takofanes can't be attacked or damaged. I guess that gives him the edge.
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  • mushermusher Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Takofanes CAN be attacked during Halloween's Bloodmoon. But if Therakiel chooses to attack him on any other day...well, that would be a rather stupid suicide.
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  • ashensnowashensnow Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    musher wrote: »
    Takofanes CAN be attacked during Halloween's Bloodmoon. But if Therakiel chooses to attack him on any other day...well, that would be a rather stupid suicide.


    I would expect Takofanes, as he is supposed to be quite intelligent, to kite or block if he is attacked on Halloween.
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,000 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Whoever wins, we lose.
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  • mushermusher Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    But let's be honest, neither of them would win. There would be hundreds of heroes waiting in line to steamroll both of them. And though many will fall in battle, they will...recover at the nearest spawn point, and not end up dead like the poor bastards killed by Destroyer and enslaved by Takofanes.
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  • avianosavianos Posts: 6,178 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    All my Money to Therakiel!
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  • honestresearcherhonestresearcher Posts: 657 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    There's 2 sides to this debate, the winner based on Lore, and the winner based on the In-Game fights.
    Here's a rundown on both:

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    According to how powerful they are via Story and Lore. Takofanes is Immortal, Therakiel is only close to achieving it.

    STORY wise: Takofanes would win the fight.
    Takofanes is immortal, Therakiel is not. It would simply be a case of how long Therakiel can last.

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    According to how powerful they are IN-Game. Therakiel has a much faster attack rate, and more powerful hits. Takofanes is a slow attacker, whos hits dont really mean anything anymore, and he doesnt much have any special attacks.

    IN-GAME mechanically: Therakiel would win the fight.
    Therakiel hits harder, faster and has very punishing special attacks. His crippling eye beams give him a massive edge.
  • pallihwtfpallihwtf Posts: 677 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Servants, bring me the soul of Therakiel.

    No... wait.


    Okay, how about Takofane's servants vs. Therakiel's? whose army is the strongers? Lore or game wise? Turakian Deathlord vs. Any of the "minibosses" by Therakiel?
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  • greyerskiesgreyerskies Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    They'd both boast, bluster, and monologue at each other absurdly, comparing the size of their... dark armies and mighty swords(!) until the end of time.
  • theravenforcetheravenforce Posts: 7,140 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Shadow Destroyer would attack them both whilst they are locked in combat on Halloween and win.
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  • trailturtletrailturtle Posts: 5,496 Perfect World Employee
    edited May 2013
    theravenforce wrote: »
    Shadow Destroyer would attack them both whilst they are locked in combat on Halloween and win.

    Dr. Destroyer himself would be standing in the shadows. "Just as planned."
  • xcaligaxxcaligax Posts: 1,096 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    SUDDENLY CALIGA APPEARS AND HAYMAKERS BOTH OF THEM INTO A NEW UNIVERSE!!!

    In all seriousness, lorewise. I give the edge to takofanes. The immortality factor is an advantage.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,883 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Takopants better win or he is dumped. Be he warned I already have Mumm-ra's phone number!
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  • mushermusher Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    If he's immortal why isn't he the ruler of everything yet? (besides the fact this role is almost taken by Caliga)
    Obviously there is a way to temporarily "kill" him, and Therakiel would find it before trying an attack. And again, if he wouldn't, it would be one stupid suicide.
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  • bwdaresbwdares Posts: 1,517 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I am Thinking Therakiel (from a lore stand point) It was my understanding that Tako doesnt posess the same level of power he once did, and has been pushed back many times, wWhile Therakiel beat the good guys.

    Therakiel also has both Holy and Un-Holy powers, which I would think would give him an advantage.
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  • theapygoostheapygoos Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    musher wrote: »
    If he's immortal why isn't he the ruler of everything yet? (besides the fact this role is almost taken by Caliga)
    Obviously there is a way to temporarily "kill" him, and Therakiel would find it before trying an attack. And again, if he wouldn't, it would be one stupid suicide.
    meddelsom heroes, witches and sorcerers have seen to it that Kul Turak the Ravager remains in the earth.
    By Lore, Therakiel is strong, but he just doent compare to Takofanes the Archlich
  • kaosarcannakaosarcanna Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Okay, what do we mean by "immortal"?

    I mean, I thought Therakiel has been on Earth since the Fall ... isn't he already immortal?
  • celiziccelizic Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I don't have much to add so I'll just leave this here.
  • mushermusher Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Yes, certainly, Therakiel has been dragged God knows where by an unknowm force, presumably angels still true to their duty. Which means he was hiding for a reason, he needed to be hidden probably until the moment Heaven and Hell would clash in battle, so both sides would be too busy to deal with him. Or until he would have enough power to fight off anything that would try to drag him away, but him having that kind of power is unlikely, considering he destroyed the elemental gems to prevent the rise of the Archmage, and got rid of the strongest heroes in the process. Which means, and proven, they are a significant threat to him. Takofanes on the other hand never bothered with any precautions and preparations, just appearing with his undead armies and Doomlords, which is probably the only reason he has been kept at bay until now. We can only hope he never learns from his mistakes, and God help us if he does.

    Long story short: Therakiel is at a disadvantage no matter how you look at it.
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  • monaahirumonaahiru Posts: 3,073 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Therakiel will be never ganked by 100 Vehicles. ;(
  • kemmicalskemmicals Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    xcaligax wrote: »
    SUDDENLY CALIGA APPEARS AND HAYMAKERS BOTH OF THEM INTO A NEW UNIVERSE!!!

    In all seriousness, lorewise. I give the edge to takofanes. The immortality factor is an advantage.
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Posts: 3,781 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    kaosarcanna wrote: »
    Okay, what do we mean by "immortal"?

    I mean, I thought Therakiel has been on Earth since the Fall ... isn't he already immortal?

    Immortal has two, not entirely similar meanings:
    1. will not die of old age
    2. cannot die at all

    Stars exist for billions of years, but eventually they burn out and die. Even they don't quality for #1 and compared to them therakiel's lifespan thus far has been very short. Therakiel may have immortality type #1, but per lore he does not yet have #2 though part of is plan is to get that much power. Takofanes has both.

    #2 becomes more interesting is universes where souls can be consumed or destroyed (acts the Kings of Edom are said to be able to perform) and when you're talking about something like therakiel, one might think that presumably a dead angel's soul goes back to heaven couldn't he just rebel again? However, evidence suggests, no. Obliterating Therakiel's body *should* get rid of him. (I say *should* because this is a comic book universe and death is not always as permanent as lore suggests it should be).

    Takofanes on the other hand, will one day be floating in space looking at the spot where the sun used to be thinking "dang this sucks". Because he has both qualities #1 and #2 and really, unless you can jump to parallel universes eventually this is just going to be a bad thing.
  • jorifice1jorifice1 Posts: 588 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    celizic wrote: »
    I don't have much to add so I'll just leave this here.

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