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cryptic: an embarrasement of great potential wasted due to bad management
frankendreadz
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Well we all know this is that case atm
even with their other products their method of implementation is more haste rather than getting it right.
When u compare them to other developers under PW unbrella they are sorely lacking.
I recently went to have a look at another game within PW called blacklight retribution and I was surprised with how well their implementation and cycling of updates and changes is very good...
They have adoped the requirement that PW wanted, it took time and effort but now its there and working fine. I know its a pay to win model, but a lot of FTP games are.
Now with cryptic the problem is not the lack of talent, they have that in spades, but the shoddyness of their development lifecycle
We have a game here, which if this was implemented correctly, would not still have bugs htat are over 3 years old. Now I don't know about you, but thats just shocking and unprofessional. Now what is hte effect of this, it hits their reputation and therefore their revenue stream. Who is gonna ask them to develop anything new, if htey just cannot maintain correctly what they have now. To point out, this is nothing to do with new content, thats a seperate issue. People, i.e. clients/customers are spending their cash, time on an series of IPs. They could at least make sure that ALL bugs are fixed and corrected. It might take time, but in thel ong run it will be worth it. You get your reputation back, people will be appreciated and therefore recommend their products. This leads to greater revenue which can be given as profit to shareholders and or redistributed to new and or improvements. Only concentrating on one revenure stream is not the answer. It foolish and very shortsighted and lazy. In the end you will be seen as a snake in grass bunch of time waster and will loose a lot of revenue from that stance.
even with their other products their method of implementation is more haste rather than getting it right.
When u compare them to other developers under PW unbrella they are sorely lacking.
I recently went to have a look at another game within PW called blacklight retribution and I was surprised with how well their implementation and cycling of updates and changes is very good...
They have adoped the requirement that PW wanted, it took time and effort but now its there and working fine. I know its a pay to win model, but a lot of FTP games are.
Now with cryptic the problem is not the lack of talent, they have that in spades, but the shoddyness of their development lifecycle
We have a game here, which if this was implemented correctly, would not still have bugs htat are over 3 years old. Now I don't know about you, but thats just shocking and unprofessional. Now what is hte effect of this, it hits their reputation and therefore their revenue stream. Who is gonna ask them to develop anything new, if htey just cannot maintain correctly what they have now. To point out, this is nothing to do with new content, thats a seperate issue. People, i.e. clients/customers are spending their cash, time on an series of IPs. They could at least make sure that ALL bugs are fixed and corrected. It might take time, but in thel ong run it will be worth it. You get your reputation back, people will be appreciated and therefore recommend their products. This leads to greater revenue which can be given as profit to shareholders and or redistributed to new and or improvements. Only concentrating on one revenure stream is not the answer. It foolish and very shortsighted and lazy. In the end you will be seen as a snake in grass bunch of time waster and will loose a lot of revenue from that stance.
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This is a practical critisim of how they are running this current IP if you not got anything practical to stay, please don't.
If my opinions offends, then thats your problem.
I do know about bugs, been in IT for over 20 years, but the way cryptic is run compared to others out there its is beyond a joke. quite frankly it IS unprofessional. Most of my career has been about troubleshoot systems, procedures and code, the one thing it has come down to each time is people!
The level of minor bugs which some of them have been outstanding since lauch in CO is unexceptable. It shows poor procedures and quality control. I am begining to doubt that if they have any actual day to day procedures, that it is not being followed. The worst is that people are paying for what is overall a faulty product. Usually most software faults are fixed and rectified, but other new ones reoccur. If a proper code management structure were in place a lot of re-occuring faults would vansih. This is not the case with Cryptic and their development models.
Its not about how you can compare it to other PW run games.
Though I'm not denying that Cryptic has a lot of issues. You're only as strong as your weakest link. Champions should be considered a prime example of how they work as a whole. This should not be considered an insult considering that CO is the most fun game despite having no updates.
tehre are 3 things i do like
1: customisation
In the 2 IPs I've played by them this was a winning factor to me
no other mmo comes close
the nearest is DCUO so far... but still not close
2: power builds
For freeform this is theo nly way for me to play... I love coming on and try out new builds
3: the community
I've met quite a lot of long time players and compared to most online communities, they have been fun, annoying, funny, helpful, angry, nerdy, torlling, spamin, piss takers but they are some of the best I've enountered.
Those are the main reason I come back again and agian... and it is a shame that these strenghs are not uphold
It doesn't really matter how we post, questions remain unanswered. The bugs from the original beta remain a problem, concerns get ignored or brushed aside. Being nice hasn't done anything for the game.
People have tried the 'post a list of bugs' thing, that didn't work either. This game could be so much better, but the potential is being wasted.
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actually it a lot older than that .. retribution is just another one of those updates it has recieved I thin kthe FTP model is I'm correct.
My comments are addressed to the way the 2 houses "zombie" and "cryptic" have dealt with their IPs
In my opinion zomibe has a more pro feel to its development and lifecycle
that is the heart of my issue
IN IT overall, a culture of slackness and redirection has become the norm compared to actually delivering a decent product
If I bought say a TV that when I started it it only sometimes produce a picture, then say about 18 months later is may actually work for a bit.
Wrote in to complain about it and there is no responce how would you as the comsumer feel..
I don't see why this kind of conduct should be acceptable
Its unbecoming and childish.
Most people put up with it due to the high level of jargonsim and smokescreening that happens, so they just switch off.
I'm sorry but in no other field is responsibility for your actions is lacking...
christ even retail has a consumer law and practice in place.. In IT its just not enforced... So its become the dumping ground of slackness
For example the recent outages over the servers. If you back track it , you prob find is due to someone not bothered to do what they are paid for.
But I a leaving due to stuff like this.
After browsing the CO forums, I don't think this game is much better off.
And how long have you played it ? If you have played it for longer, all you have to do is look at the patchlogs before and after Vehicle Online, and you will see that they are maybe not even 1% anymore of what we had before.
WHOA HOLY CRAP!
That's just... INSANE.
Hmmmm you think they would have learned when the economy in this game was ruined similarly.
If CO is any indication they will do nothing about it and a few exploiters will now control the economy.
I have no time to play Neverwinter with its extremely high pricing for everything. No thanks I want a life beyond my computer screen.
Are that also again exploits from the so much wanted Foundry here .. or from regular gameplay ? I couldn't really see that even after reading 6 pages in that thread
That's from content Cryptic made. I think specifically from a couple of bosses that were bugged.
The Foundry had* it's share of exploits going on but in the form of speed leveling that made Smash Alert farming look like a joke.
* - those exploitation maps still pop up but the XP and gear gains from Foundry maps took a serious hit to compensate
I think people would be much less annoyed if more of the obvious bugs were fixed. Or if we actually got some patch notes stating they fixed some things.
That is... LOL.
... lmao.
Wow.... that's pretty bad.
Feels like I wasted 60 dollars now.
This exploit sounds terrible. If what's being said is true, the exploiter is able to "cash in" and make thousands of real money?
It should be a no-brainer to see that kind of pay-off is worth getting caught and banned for. Just get a new account and do it all over again until it gets fixed. Lovely. It's also sad to see that there are players in the thread who don't see the gravity of the issue and are dismissing it as nothing to worry about. This sort of thing can potentially drive players, especially paying ones, away.
EDIT: Just noticed this post from page 20 of that thread:
Hahahahaha...
Poor guy doesn't realize that Cryptic doesn't have an ingame moderating staff, and expects players to do the work for them by using report spam.
Biggest mistage ever was to let the auction house even run with astral diamonds (questionite) so you cash in Zen. Now add that all epic items (epic dungeon loot/pvp items/whatever) is bind on equip and people can one shot elite boss mobs or do even worse things the ruined the market within one week.............
Pretty much done with that game. :rolleyes:
Part 1: NW-DMFKR9RPL http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?427711-Brunnen-des-Lichts-Teil-1
Part 2: NW-DLBTN8W28 http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?444281-Brunnen-des-Lichts-Teil-2
Icewind Dale campaign Osthafen sehen & sterben (German)
NW-DMC3IOWAE http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?477201-Osthafen-sehen-amp-sterben
And yes .. it is released .. they take real money for items .. that alone is enough, and also on the english version of the PW webpage it is marked with the released symbol.
On the german its however not even released at all :rolleyes:
Things like this one made me very sad about NW.
Because it's a fun little game but with current amount of bugs and exploits going there it may never live up to it's potential.
Sadly, it has a few signs of rushed release.
It should be in a real open beta, with no money transactions accepted and then wiped after all the most dangerous bugs and exploits were removed.
Instead Cryptic managed to put themselves in situation like this with no server reset at the horizon, hurting the game in the long run and giving it only a bad PR.
It's still not a bad game, casual players can have fun with it and Foundry is a really nice feature.
But casuals only are not enough to drive a MMO and current situation is driving off competitive players.
Too bad NW was already crippled with accepting money transactions, thus reached a dead end where server wipe may not be even possible.
I really wonder if Cryptic can do anything serious to fix it and improve future of NW, or if this game is also going the CO route.
It's a pity. it seems that Cryptic can do games rather well, but shouldn't be allowed to manage them.
Still, I wonder if this amount of negativity on NW forums is really needed.
This game is new and likely will change. People there should be more patient.
Now, if it would only SEEM that the network/servers for Cryptic's current MMOs weren't stepping on each other HARDCORE.
Of course, from my point of view, I don't see why Cryptic hasn't had the few devs they have on CO do the same thing over time....then when are finally prepared to initiate the new code, fixed from the ground up (and with MetaData) they warn everybody that they are about to fix MOST of the bugs and perform something like the triage above.
PWE doesn't care about bad PR though. They're untouchable. I can draw some serious parallels to people I know in the real world here, people that **** off every day, don't do a damn thing and expect everyone else to pick up after them, and then don't get any kind of retribution afterwards because their boss won't do anything. PWE is that person. They're not going to do anything because they don't have to. WIthout punishment there's no incentive, and we certainly can't punish them.
The best we can hope for at this point is that they just don't outright close CO, because they're not going to do anything with it. They're not going to do anything with any of their properties(except Star Trek).