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Is Zen not universal anymore?

wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Posts: 531 Arc User
edited March 2013 in Champions Online Discussion
Last time i picked up Zen it showed up in both CO and STO, but this time it's only showing up in CO. Was this a recent change or is it where i bought it from? Last time i bought it through steam on STO, this time it was through steam on CO. Did i miss when they stopped letting it cross games like this?
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  • rokurocarisrokurocaris Posts: 1,079 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You buy Zen on PW's website, then send them to the game you want to buy stuff for. You cannot send Zen from one game to another.
  • wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Posts: 531 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    well poop then.... that's really disappointing, but thank you
  • crypticbuxomcrypticbuxom Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    This change really cripples the reasons of purchasing lifetime on both STO and CO. You used to be able to combine their stipends to be used on either game.
  • lokikinlokikin Posts: 624 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    crypticbuxom wrote: »
    This change really cripples the reasons of purchasing lifetime on both STO and CO. You used to be able to combine their stipends to be used on either game.

    No, you didn't. Stipends for both games have always been seperate. Only purchased Cryptic Points were usable in both games...
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  • crypticbuxomcrypticbuxom Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    That wasn't the case for three of my friends who had lifetime for both.
  • somebobsomebob Posts: 982 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    crypticbuxom wrote: »
    That wasn't the case for three of my friends who had lifetime for both.

    Then that was an error in their favor. It was never supposed to work that way, and Cryptic flat out said that it would not work that way.
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  • crypticbuxomcrypticbuxom Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I guess they benefited from it at the time it was working in their favor.
  • arblaquearblaque Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I am certain since the PWE purchase that both stipends have been separate and do not think it was ever used in both games. However when zen was cryptic points and before the new Zen wallet stuff any C-points/Zen was pooled together and you could purchase lumps of points and spend in either game at your discretion without the need to allocate specific points to a particular game. I have had lifetimes in both games since both betas.
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  • ariesmajorariesmajor Posts: 394 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    They got separated after pwe bought it.....another downside to the whole deal....god....here we go again.
  • kenpojujitsu3kenpojujitsu3 Posts: 1,325 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    crypticbuxom wrote: »
    This change really cripples the reasons of purchasing lifetime on both STO and CO. You used to be able to combine their stipends to be used on either game.

    We were never able to do this.

    I've been constantly subscribed to both games via LTS since just before STO's one year anniversary and the stipends were always separate. As point in fact I routinely spend CO's stipend immediately while I logged into STO for the first time in a long time this month and found thousands of zen sitting there because I hadn't bought anything in that game. To put that in further perspective it was every single zen earned since I bought the LTS to that game because up until this week I had never purchased anything in STO.
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  • clcmercyclcmercy Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Well, that kinda bites. I have both CO and STO through Steam. I use my Steam Wallet to buy zen....and said zen isn't useable in both games?

    I thought zen was like...global currency for Cryptic games?
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  • lohr01lohr01 Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    clcmercy wrote: »
    Well, that kinda bites. I have both CO and STO through Steam. I use my Steam Wallet to buy zen....and said zen isn't useable in both games?

    I thought zen was like...global currency for Cryptic games?

    No one said anything about zen not being usable. Zen is the currency of both games, however when you buy it, you need to send it to one of the games.

    The stipend earned in CO is not usable in STO and the stipend earned in STO is not usable in CO.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,334 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    lohr01 wrote: »
    No one said anything about zen not being usable. Zen is the currency of both games, however when you buy it, you need to send it to one of the games.

    The stipend earned in CO is not usable in STO and the stipend earned in STO is not usable in CO.
    As an example, sometimes I'll use one of those surveys to get Zen from Peanut Labs (not often, any more - I don't seem to fit the profile very well). When I do, the Zen will sit in my wallet; I can then apply it to any PWE game I want (although in practical terms, that still limits me to Cryptic, because the only PWE games I play are CO and STO; so far, I've always sent it to CO, because I still don't have all the costumes I want).

    Once the Zen has been assigned to one game, that's it - you can't move it to another game later.
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  • zenzenarimasenzenzenarimasen Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    crypticbuxom wrote: »
    That wasn't the case for three of my friends who had lifetime for both.

    I would question your friends' abilities to remember clearly, or accurately report things.

    I have accounts. Both accounts have both a CO and an STO lifetime account. My business partner also has a CO and STO lifetime on the same account. In addition, one of my best friends is that way too. All of us have been that way since before both games went into public beta.

    In addition to all the other lifetimers that have told you it never worked that way on this thread, I'm telling you that it never worked that way, and none of my friends from outside Cryptic's games that have both LTS have ever had it work that way.
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  • crypticbuxomcrypticbuxom Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I don't think it matters if you believe me or not. Cryptic has never been consistent and I don't know why any of you would argue for them.
  • doogie74doogie74 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I have been playing both games since beta and head start. I have purchased the original lifetimes in both CO and STO when the lifetimes were first announced and before the games went live.

    The stipends for both games have always been separate they have never been combined. You could see the C-points you purchased in both games they were combined but the c-points from each game stipend did not show up when the stipends were introduced.

    Those who are saying the stipends were pooled from both games are mistaken. They are just mistaken being able to see the purchased c-points in the games but not the stipends. When I was in STO or in CO, my C-point balances were never the same because each game showed the C-points purchased plus the C-points stipends for the game I was logged into at the time.

    The stipends were never meant to be transferred across games.
  • crypticbuxomcrypticbuxom Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    And I understand that. That just wasn't the case for the people that were able to use their stipends for both games.
  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,334 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    crypticbuxom wrote: »
    I don't think it matters if you believe me or not. Cryptic has never been consistent and I don't know why any of you would argue for them.
    Perhaps out of a sense of basic fairness - there's plenty to rag on Cryptic about with actual data to back you up, there's really no need to start claiming they've taken away some functionality that never existed in the first place.

    Why not complain (as others have been) about the weapon skins we lost when Crafting died and power replacers went away, which could have been put back in as simple skins but haven't? That's something they really did take away from us.
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  • crypticbuxomcrypticbuxom Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I have. Constantly.
  • wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Posts: 531 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Just my luck that a few days after buying Zen and not being able to use it in both games, it goes on sale.....



    I've been a lifer since beta in both games, and sadly i've never been able to use my stippend in anything other than the game it came with, which is a shame since there were often times nothing in CO i wanted and STO had something new, and occasionally vice versa.
  • kenpojujitsu3kenpojujitsu3 Posts: 1,325 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    doogie74 wrote: »
    The stipends for both games have always been separate they have never been combined. You could see the C-points you purchased in both games they were combined but the c-points from each game stipend did not show up when the stipends were introduced.

    Those who are saying the stipends were pooled from both games are mistaken. They are just mistaken being able to see the purchased c-points in the games but not the stipends. When I was in STO or in CO, my C-point balances were never the same because each game showed the C-points purchased plus the C-points stipends for the game I was logged into at the time.

    The stipends were never meant to be transferred across games.

    Precisely.
    wraithshadow13 wrote: »
    i've never been able to use my stippend in anything other than the game it came with, which is a shame since there were often times nothing in CO i wanted and STO had something new, and occasionally vice versa.

    I've soooo been there too. Stuff I wanted in CO mostly but was dry on stipend here while drowning in stipend in STO.
    crypticbuxom wrote: »
    I don't think it matters if you believe me or not.

    I believe you have three friends that told you this. I also believe what they told you is wrong, false or whatever is an acceptable way of phrasing it.
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  • arblaquearblaque Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    wraithshadow13 wrote: »
    Just my luck that a few days after buying Zen and not being able to use it in both games, it goes on sale.....



    I've been a lifer since beta in both games, and sadly i've never been able to use my stippend in anything other than the game it came with, which is a shame since there were often times nothing in CO i wanted and STO had something new, and occasionally vice versa.

    I had that happen when I made some purchases in CO and then a week later BAM the Odyssey Three pack hit. But silly me I had allocated my Zen to CO
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  • tx6275tx6275 Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    wraithshadow13 wrote: »
    I've been a lifer since beta in both games, and sadly i've never been able to use my stippend in anything other than the game it came with, which is a shame since there were often times nothing in CO i wanted and STO had something new, and occasionally vice versa.
    I have also been a lifer in both since their respective Betas (in fact I only bought the CO one to get access to the Star Trek beta) and didn't play Champs from the minute Atari let me onto the STO servers, only returning when the FEs dried up.
    This is relevant because I had an accumulation of points from my CO stipend that I was able to spend on ships in the C-Store, before Trek started giving away theirs in December '11 with the then upcoming move to F2P. Having said that by the February 12 Stipends from both games I found it was no longer possible to spend them cross-title.

    So while it may very well have been an error in my and select other players' favour, my experience is also that it did happen however briefly.

    And just before anyone suggests I'm getting confused with points I may have purchased, it's worth pointing out I never once traded pounds for points until the release of the TOS Bundle...
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