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crosnight
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OK. I'm done with all this crud about not enough attention being payed attention to PvP and i'm here to give you the answer.
do you know WHY pvp is ignored by the devs..... YOU THE PLAYERS. hero games is flooded by players who care about only the win, with builds that abuse devices and every little tiny bug they can get their grubby fat fingers on.
you know what i find funny though about those who use devices: i remember when devices were frowned upon in pvp, the user being a noob. now: if you dont have them then your screwed. now all i see is that everyone is a bloody hypocrite.
in order to do anywhere near good in pvp you must get rid of whatever chance you had of being a somewhat respectable player
you guys blame the devs for over powered players ruining the game but your the ones that are using the builds that just destroys the fun for everyone. now answer this: why should pvp get content that only a minority of players will even access?
you only have yourself: the player: to blame for why pvp is the worst part of CO. you idiots can not see past your blind stupidity that its your fualt, not the devs, that pvp sucks..... its actually kinda sad.
do you know WHY pvp is ignored by the devs..... YOU THE PLAYERS. hero games is flooded by players who care about only the win, with builds that abuse devices and every little tiny bug they can get their grubby fat fingers on.
you know what i find funny though about those who use devices: i remember when devices were frowned upon in pvp, the user being a noob. now: if you dont have them then your screwed. now all i see is that everyone is a bloody hypocrite.
in order to do anywhere near good in pvp you must get rid of whatever chance you had of being a somewhat respectable player
you guys blame the devs for over powered players ruining the game but your the ones that are using the builds that just destroys the fun for everyone. now answer this: why should pvp get content that only a minority of players will even access?
you only have yourself: the player: to blame for why pvp is the worst part of CO. you idiots can not see past your blind stupidity that its your fualt, not the devs, that pvp sucks..... its actually kinda sad.
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Until there are MANY and DIFFERENT paths to winninership.. PvP will be a joke.
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but DONT blame the players for wanting to WIN. This is the nature of the beast. Blame B*** S*****
(I apologize.. naming specific devs (and Executive Producers) is apparently enough to get you banned from the forum)
Pot.. meet kettle. YOU IS A TROLL
The difference is my logic doesn't fail. OP is just crying.
Don't you have somewhere else to poke your nose, "Bezzy"?
Devices allow you to pick more heals/CC/debuffs in your powers. As example ; a build that lacks a spike power (two gun mojo builds) can use the devices (ice grenades+omicron) to get a spike ability.
Eruption makes you invulnerable to all damage for 20 secs. Your introduction of the constant users of devices "noob" is wrong though but i agree with you. Some builds carry this as their only surviving ability. And you are half-screwed if you dont have your eruption ready to use againts them.
I dont really understand this part.
We prefer PvPing because we have the love of competition in our characteristic specialities. We love the competition , we love the challange , we love how things can change in a few seconds in PvP. And we are addicted to win. Isnt that why are we PvPing though ? We are PvPing in order to win.
After the On-Alert pass, devs've already prepared the substructure of making of the overpowered builds you see around now. Players only discovered them, explored the powers, brought them together then created the OVERPOWERED (in your words) builds.
Afterall i want to say this. I'm running AoPM on my Untouchable character (you might've heard of in game), i have ebon ruin as my only attack (i guess i'm already overpowered in your eye). And i have no hardness in beating any of the device users at the moment. It is possible to make tons of counters againts those devices in your powers, you just have to find the way out.
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Crosnight, you're pointing at some players in particular but unfortunately they aren't on this forum (Except for one but well).
The point is that trying to win is part of any PvP concept. You just seem upset about something much more personnal.
So if they don't go in to win, what do they go in for? To lose?
Money is the only thing that matters. If you look at all the devices and legion gear that our community acquired, we do actually generate a decent amount of money, and if they had better business sense they would do a few things to take care of us. If 50 people acquire gear sets worth 10,000G, then at ~$10 per 1000G they just profited $5000 for no extra effort. Not to mention at least $1000/month from some PvPers being monthly subs. All they would have to do to keep that going is a few hours of work a month.
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a) Anytime the word "versus" is involved, it's about winning... unless it's "Game Grumps VS" in which case it's about.... well, something. You can't really critisize people for wanting to win or for trying to win... that, itself, isn't the problem here.
b) Yes, you can't really argue that pvpers in this game have been chronicly near-sighted.. they have been for a long time, and it's only gotten worse recently (...right... that's what chronic means ). They will happily do anything they can to win today, even if it means no one will be there for them to play with tomorrow. If players had along the way shown some foresight, had come together as a community, and made it their mission to ensure that our pvp environment continued to be one that attracted players into it because of how fun and fair it was, then we might still have an active pvp scene ( hell, they might have never even felt the need to implement that queue limit ).
But fact is, even if everyone had come together and done that, all it takes is a few people saying "Screw the rules, I've got money!" to ruin it. Furthermore... it shouldn't really be the player's responsibility to have to do all this... which leads me to...
c) If I throw two guys into a pit and tell them to fight to the death or I kill their families... then I give one of them a broadsword... is it his fault if he uses it? Or is it my fault because I'm the one throwing stuff into the pit. Like I said in point b, it's not really the players' jobs to ensure a fair and fun pvp environment, that task falls squarely on the developer's shoulders. They're the ones who figured it wouldn't matter if legacy devices become a factor... they're also the ones who decided it didn't matter if if pvp started having requirements that would constrict build choices.
Throw fifty people into that pit, and only one broadsword. Eventually someone's gonna pick it up, and when they do it doesn't matter how unified and commited the other 49 are, that one person is gonna do a lot of damage. Then, when you throw a second broadsword in there, a lot of those folks who were committed to the "no broadswords rule" are suddenly scrambling to get their hands on it. At that point if you open a door and say that people can leave... well, everyone without a broadsword is leaving, and all you have left is the two guys with swords circling each other.
That's when you tell them there's a flamethrower buried somewhere in there.... in a lock box... but first they gotta leave the arena and go beat up some manuequinns so they can get keys for those boxes.
...oh analogy, why you so fun?
Long story short: The devs left the tools to wreck pvp laying around, the players grabbed them and used them with a hearty enthusiasm. 90/10.
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I dont duel because i was a good spot and said great duel-which it was, it lasted 20 minutes and was fun, but I found myself chat banned.
So I stay to RPing now with my friends.
It is sad that PVP doesnt get any attention, but that can be said for every aspect of the game.
I typically queue to have fun in the off chance that one pops. I could care less about the win or lose, it's a change of pace from the rest of the game. :biggrin:
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This isn't true. I fight the hypocrites all the time and I don't use devices. Join me, and together we shall rule the galaxy! :P DO IT! DO IT NAO! @_@
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I'd rather get STO's level of lockbox suck if worthwhile updates come with it. -Buxom
-shakes head-
You know PVP wouldn't be so bad if PVPers would act like humans instead of single cell protoplasm that aren't worth the sad night in the back of their grandparent's card, the broken condom, and forgotten dreams.
It was said Mos Eisley was a hive of scum and villiany, and PVPers in CO is like that place, except theres no well meaning, and less scummy smuggler in the cantina corner.
I think the same is true for any multiplayer game that attracts super-competitive egos.
Um...harsh much?
I'm not much of a PvPer myself as I only have a couple builds which tend to fail epically against AoPM clone builds which run around, since all my builds are in theme. I've been in PvP Instances with PFF! And won!
I think it's stupid to blame players for the state of PvP. The state and the issues with certain powers is something which can be attributed to players. But PvP? I dont think so...
FYI...I am probably THE worst PvPer in CO and I still manage to get by, yes there are some trolls out there who troll lower levels and think it is fun to shove their heads that far up themselves and act that way. BUT I think looking at who has posted here, NONE of them (IMO from personal experience) warrant -that- description you have given, so if I were you I'd retract that...cause it's not true.
Regarding the OP:
Being a theme builder who occasionally lols about in Hero Games Instances, I think the issue is that no one is regulating the device usage. And why should they? It doesnt add anything to the experience, players who are better skilled may have devices and choose NOT to use them for the sake of making the experience last longer?
I know that there was a time when people used summons like Harajuku Girls or *something* and ppl were like ermahgerd noob. But sooner or later...no one cared.
And just to reiterate what everyone has pretty much said...no one goes into PvP to loose or to "draw" because they are evenly matched, they go to win. I'm sure if in UTC there are unfair numbers people "sit out". I was in one a few weeks ago where I went up against another players team with 5 people in it, all 4 sit out and I was dueling this person. So people still do act with sense in PvP.
"you guys blame the devs for over powered players ruining the game but your the ones that are using the builds that just destroys the fun for everyone. now answer this: why should pvp get content that only a minority of players will even access?" - Quote from OP
Devs = Developers btw...they regulate what output powers which make it to LIVE can do. So players to an extent can blame devs for OP players. Why? Because they made the powers, not the players.
People use builds which work well to produce hard hitting fast flowing attacks, one shots major stuns etc those are Flavours of the Month or Franken Builds as I like to call them. If it works and you want to PvP why not use it?
And to answer your final question of "Why should PvP get content that only a minority of players will even access?"
Answer: They shouldnt because it is extremely difficult to press the queue button for PvP...:rolleyes:
Get Real. Even I know PvP needs some more appeal...rewards, gear etc, but that all has to happen once some things like powers have been balanced out and some other things have been worked out.
I guess the trolls who can build well, have the advantage and like to troll and annoy people, that cant be helped.
Hating PvPers is like SO last season...stahp...
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There is nothing wrong with wanting to win, and certainly nothing wrong with using every advantage the game affords.
What is wrong is that the rules and balance of the game have fallen out of control of the designers and arbitration has somehow made it into the hands of players. Not a single player or supergroup in this game should hold an entire mode of gameplay hostage, nor should any player or group feel responsible to arbitrate something cold, unbiased rules in the game's design are supposed to offer.
You can sit there yelling at players, calling some extreme performance builds "trolls" for winning too hard. You can call yourself a "troll killer," but really you are trying to supercede the game's rules and inject ideology.
The game is defective in this respect, not the players. Cryptic did not protect the players from this situation, and it has happened at last. The situation above has caused damage to the community and what they believe their roles in PvP are. I cannot see PvP turning around without a highly focused plan by the devs to thwart people who try to bully and arbitrate, or inject their ideologies and accords by force into a competitive mode of play that should be for everyone.
Cryptic is responsible, and must decide if it wishes to take back control of the game.
I also remember when there were more than 3 builds in PvP too.
Remember that guys?
Remember when PvP was actually fun, and not a pointless, soulless, troll filled grind for literally nothing..?
Snark never dies.
Whats painted unfairly is the factions within the community who make playing this game less like a game and more like Prison.
I once heard someone compare their week in CO as a day in Oz. (And if you're too young to know what that show is, don't google it.)
When I was introduced to Champions, it was "A Paper and Pencil Tabletop Game given a MMO treatment". Now when I hear people talk about Champions, its either "ROFL I PWN NOOBS IN PVP" or "I stopped playing that game cause of the PVPers". Yeah, I'll admit, there are balance issues. But thats two parts the Devs problem and the Communities feeding them false information on WHAT to fix and why.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
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I refer you to this thread where you may learn something about the course of PvP since the game was introduced. PvP wasnt always what it is now and knowledge is always a good thing to have so maybe you should research before commenting. http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=207731
Finally soneone else gets it!
Welcome to the club, heres a free hat, shirt and anti-you party that will always try to get your topics closed and create a ginormous wall of crap anytime you wanna do this game any good.
More people need to cross the line of admittance like you good sir.
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Iron sharpens iron. :P
But who gave them these tools to use in this fight? That's right, the devs. Blame them.
At least make the blame equal. Without that kill all, care not attitude that a lot of hard core pvpers have, things might not be so Effed up on the pvp side of things and maybe more folks would give a Bleep.
But that's not the case. So in this reality, it is what it is. You can't blame one side without the other when it comes to the state of pvp IMHO.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I agree that a lot of CO players have stockholm syndrome. Ultimately the devs are responsible since they don't fix anything. They make "no exploiting" a rule to cover their tracks and prolong their laziness. The people who are exploiting are using bugs that the devs should've fixed anyway (there is more than one, right? X_x), but they still can choose not to do it.
I kind of remember the days when there were more than 3 builds, the days when you could join hero games any time you wanted to, but whatever's left of those vague memories is fading fast.
Yeah it sucks now that people can legitimately tease you about not wanting to join the hero games when they're in there because you know you'll just get farmed.
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... Resist urge...
On topic: You're hard-pressed to find non-elitest PvPers on the forums, even our supposed newcomer Lucy is now snarky and jaded. This place does things to people. Find some friends ingame and duel with them. If you don't like our attitude or our posts, lurk in another section of the forums. It's not our fault that PWE bought out a defunct section of Cryptic's backburner games. It's not our fault if we counter-troll with devices or whathaveyou.
Enjoy yourself, because this game won't exist for being enjoyed much longer.
Edit: Grammar editses.
I'd rather get STO's level of lockbox suck if worthwhile updates come with it. -Buxom
I'm going to give a little bit of care: He was speaking of you being snarky toward the game and its fate like most of people playing and being disappointed, not toward other people. You either can't read or are too blind to realize what is really going on. You need to stop attempting to clean your image at all costs, it's not going to kill you.
This times a million.
Look, Lucy, we really, really don't care that you can survive Gravitar for 5 minutes, that you can leech off of veteran players, or that you can abuse tagging mechanics to win. Your shallow forum threats are ridiculous and uncalled for, and you call people out and insult them, while crying foul when I want to have an intelligent discussion with you ingame, and whining ad hominem, while calling us losers. I'll admit that you can probably beat me, my build is not designed to hunt tanks, and I have limited defense to deal with your maintained hitting and running.
We don't need more psuedo-bullies in the PvP forums, we need helpful players.
I'd rather get STO's level of lockbox suck if worthwhile updates come with it. -Buxom
So to answer your question, yes and no.
And now that i think of it, i think i have you on ignore on that Micro man account. Or maybe i'm on yours...
Can't remember...it's been awhile. You are the one that meows all day, correct?
I think the bio of Love-hammer which was made a long time ago rubs some people the wrong way, even today. I get a call from my buddy using the account from time to time telling me about some of the hate he receives from time to time. It's really an anti-aopm, Ebon
ruin, force geyser, build and says as much.
Some people take offense to that i guess and yell at him. He like to use ignore.
Sigh...
Your only perception about the game is you pretending to kick ****. Get your feet back on earth, you're a player, no matter how bad.
I have no interest in 'trying to bring you down'. Yes you do know that you're mistreated, some people even play with you on that part, me included sometimes because you'll always come back in order to try to wash up everything because apparently it can kill you.
I have no accomplices.
I've never said anything about what I could do because I give no tosses about it, these days you need two weeks to master the game, quit your fantasies already.
We've been poking eachother since the end of times be realist for a minute, you had plenty of occasions to fill up your flaccid ego with duel proposals that I've sent from my freaking single blader on your AoPM Enrage copy. You don't want to fight me because you're afraid or some other reason I ignore, so you're just trying to poke me and hope that a specific SG gets to target me. Frankly I really don't care about the fame or the few times I've defeated you on such a game, everyone knows his ****, you started gaining some general knowledge and act like you've been infused with science, Ketas said it better than me, we need helpful people, and not braggarts of your kind trying to get these 'lesser people' as you call them to just oogle at you. The jaded yet active community just build for fun, I like to send people flying with Rhino and eventually potentially defeat some of the high caliber builds who screwed up in their defense cycling, the latter one is secondary. Most of us are just trying to help you, to stop being ridiculous with these morales that make no sense and other threats you keep spiting, you're two years late.
Well... I didn't know about you. First time I interacted with you with a duel request out of curiosity I've been ignored. Infact, many of us got ignored. You've been licking Green's boots for a while, he didn't say one damn thing anywhere then I get a tell from him that you ignored him for no apparent reason, I really doubt that there is a rationnal reason behind this other than some personnal vendetta or a potential PvP threat,. And besides why do you insist on this joke of a competition, skill or whatever you fantasies are when even you get to say that this game isn't going anywhere at all? I'd actually like to have an answer on that one at least. I could really like you if you eventually manage to get your feet back on earth. Most of trolls here are proud to be what they are and don't hide behind some mask. I'm asking you to realize that we are players just like you, boasting times are far behind, and during these rather chaotic times the only things we can try to do is enjoy the few aspects of the game that are left rather than frankenbuilding for a ridiculous cause that is fame.
Don't try too hard Rhino, some people think when everyone dislikes you it means they're jealous of you. Can't get through that with truth and reason, y'know?
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That explains why you are so sensible here and seemed so unreasonable there. :P I ignored microman almost 8 months ago, so this has nothing to do with meowing. However, if you'd ignore someone just for using a macro, then I wouldn't want to talk to you anyway.
I ignored whoever used that account because he QQ'd after I won a duel. I beat him before I started using an aura again, yet he was a real jerk so I blocked him. I haven't seen your bio. I typically don't care to read bios---most are just recycled RP nonsense about vampires or some mystical things---so I have no idea about that. I don't use any of those n00by powers so I can't blame you there. :P
I digress. b00m____RAAWR!!! >^..^<
I'd rather get STO's level of lockbox suck if worthwhile updates come with it. -Buxom
heh... Since you bothered to reply, then you care enough. =P
I suppose... you're right. I never call lost causes even with the keen hatred I'm known for but... there's a beginning to everything. Out of reach for reason.
I only care about trolling your dumb ****.
You care so hard that you lie about fighting people and winning.