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As Silver why would you play any other melee AT besides Unleashed?

happygreenpotatohappygreenpotato Posts: 9 Arc User
edited February 2013 in Champions Online Discussion
Seriously any reason?
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  • roughbearmattachroughbearmattach Posts: 4,785 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Reasons why you wouldn't play the Unleashed:

    1. Don't like dual blades for stylistic/roleplay/entertainment reasons
    2. Already played this AT or similar character and want something new
    3. Don't care about "winning" the game
    4. If you see another toon spamming Eye of the Storm, you'll hurl
    5. Devastator is an excellent AT for dealing out massive damage and nasty conditions
    6. Behemoth AT, as written, as a very, very effective tank

    I am sure there are many reasons.

    On the other hand, I'm glad you discovered an AT you like.
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  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Posts: 2,967 Arc User1
    edited February 2013
    Lack of lunge.
    It makes playing meele toon very annoying.
    Very quickly.
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  • mog555mog555 Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    For my reason, he's good with some part, but the bad parts are...

    1. 1 shot by Gravitar early, unlike my other AT they can take more than 2 hits
    2. No gap close beside Pull
    3. Other ATs are very interesting, such as Devastator heavy weapon is just too awesome (For me at least)
    4. Wining isn't everything, but creativity is what I want the most beside pvp.

    So yeah............... playing only on one AT can be a bit boring sometimes............ with all that Tankness in pve
  • baroness1980baroness1980 Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    1.- Concept
    2.- Concept!
    3.- CONCEPT!


    That is all the reason you need.
  • embracemyswordembracemysword Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The Blade AT is the best f2p melee at, but mastering it takes quite a while. Unlike the Unleashed AT, a blade has to set up the spike dmg and this is why you see so many "new" players running around with 2 swords, thinking that it is pro to spam 1 OP attack. The unleashed is technically the worst melee AT there is. No defence, no lunge, no real stun. The Devastator AT is not bad at all, due to it's SS and that powerful lunge skill (forgot the name).
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  • happygreenpotatohappygreenpotato Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yeah keep playing your Blade and Devastator lol

    Devastator is close to being competitive with an Unleashed but Blade? EDIT: OK that was a little cruel but I can't see Blade really getting it out very well. They have no self-heal for one thing or the absorption Unleashed has. Also setting up your attack is really iffy when everyone moves in super speeds and you rarely get a chance to land a hit.

    And lunges are not needed when you have acrobatics/superspeed.
  • embracemyswordembracemysword Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    happygreenpotato wrote: »
    Yeah keep playing your Blade and Devastator lol

    Devastator is close to being competitive with an Unleashed but Blade? EDIT: OK that was a little cruel but I can't see Blade really getting it out very well. They have no self-heal for one thing or the absorption Unleashed has. Also setting up your attack is really iffy when everyone moves in super speeds and you rarely get a chance to land a hit.

    And lunges are not needed when you have acrobatics/superspeed.



    An unleashed cannot even touch a blade, duh. Ever heard of NTTG? Not a single unleashed has ever been able to even get me close to being defeated. About the movement thing... i duel ranged builds on a regular basis, getting 3-5 stacks of bleed is not really hard to do. Every at has got a self heal, it is called Supernatural possession. An unleashed drops dead after 3-4 shuriken OR just 1 regular embrace, even without a stack of bleed, duh. Blade has no absorption??? Then tell me please, wth is masterful dodge, duh. i see you are one of the "new" players. ^^

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  • canadascottcanadascott Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Because you love mainstream comics and you want to emulate the guys with super-strength.
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  • kenpojujitsu3kenpojujitsu3 Posts: 1,325 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    embracemysword wrote: »
    An unleashed cannot even touch a blade, duh. Ever heard of NTTG? Not a single unleashed has ever been able to even get me close to being defeated. About the movement thing... i duel ranged builds on a regular basis, getting 3-5 stacks of bleed is not really hard to do. Every at has got a self heal, it is called Supernatural possession. An unleashed drops dead after 3-4 shuriken OR just 1 regular embrace, even without a stack of bleed, duh. Blade has no absorption??? Then tell me please, wth is masterful dodge, duh. i see you are one of the "new" players. ^^

    heave a nice day.

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  • happygreenpotatohappygreenpotato Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    embracemysword wrote: »
    An unleashed cannot even touch a blade, duh. Ever heard of NTTG? Not a single unleashed has ever been able to even get me close to being defeated. About the movement thing... i duel ranged builds on a regular basis, getting 3-5 stacks of bleed is not really hard to do. Every at has got a self heal, it is called Supernatural possession. An unleashed drops dead after 3-4 shuriken OR just 1 regular embrace, even without a stack of bleed, duh. Blade has no absorption??? Then tell me please, wth is masterful dodge, duh. i see you are one of the "new" players. ^^

    heave a nice day.

    LOL 3-4 shuriken. Hilarious.
  • theravenforcetheravenforce Posts: 7,153 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    embracemysword wrote: »
    An unleashed cannot even touch a blade, duh. Ever heard of NTTG? Not a single unleashed has ever been able to even get me close to being defeated. About the movement thing... i duel ranged builds on a regular basis, getting 3-5 stacks of bleed is not really hard to do. Every at has got a self heal, it is called Supernatural possession. An unleashed drops dead after 3-4 shuriken OR just 1 regular embrace, even without a stack of bleed, duh. Blade has no absorption??? Then tell me please, wth is masterful dodge, duh. i see you are one of the "new" players. ^^

    heave a nice day.

    I've seen many a blade fall to Unleashed AT's. All they need to do is use Containment Field rank 3 hold you down and spam DW away. Blades are used to a similar set up, they spam shuriken throw, cause they arent able to hold up close damage for the most part (not all of them just some) then they quickly build up bleed then use OPembrace and hit the crap out of you, similar to Unleashed AT using containment field and spamming DW, so both bladed AT's are essentially as OP as each other. And with no DR on AT's you can trounce the damage of an FF using the same set up.

    FYI, the absorb mechanic on Unstoppable is what he is refering to. Masterful Dodge is an active defensive which provides dodge/avoidance rating, which mitigates the incoming damage you recieve...it is not absorption, it is a form of mitigation.

    I'd say you were pretty "new" yourself if you thought MD was an absorb.

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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,334 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Because not every foe likes to close to melee range, the Unleashed (as mentioned above) has no lunge, and one grows weary of having to run about the map like a demented, heavily-armed jackrabbit.

    Because there is no decent ranged attack. At all.

    And, most importantly, because playing the same character over and over is boring. I have eleven silver slots just now; the only AT I've repeated is the Night Avenger (because that one's a lot of fun too).

    Edit: And on rereading, I'm now tempted to create an Unleashed, make it look as much like a rabbit as possible, and name it "Bun-bun", then see how long I can go before someone reports it. Might have to wait until I go Gold again, though - Bun-bun has a lunge... :smile:
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  • smoochansmoochan Posts: 2,567 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    happygreenpotato wrote: »
    Seriously any reason?

    Because it's not always about the numbers.
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  • jorifice1jorifice1 Posts: 613 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    happygreenpotato wrote: »
    Seriously any reason?



    Fun?......
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  • cellarrat33cellarrat33 Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    ...

    Edit: And on rereading, I'm now tempted to create an Unleashed, make it look as much like a rabbit as possible, and name it "Bun-bun", then see how long I can go before someone reports it. Might have to wait until I go Gold again, though - Bun-bun has a lunge... :smile:

    Hmm...

    Let me check my notes.

    :cool:

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  • wingedkagoutiwingedkagouti Posts: 566 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    Edit: And on rereading, I'm now tempted to create an Unleashed, make it look as much like a rabbit as possible, and name it "Bun-bun", then see how long I can go before someone reports it. Might have to wait until I go Gold again, though - Bun-bun has a lunge... :smile:
    At first I read that as Pun-Pun...

    That would of course be a much more difficult character to recreate in any computer game.
  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,334 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    wingedkagouti wrote: »
    At first I read that as Pun-Pun...

    That would of course be a much more difficult character to recreate in any computer game.
    I dunno - I've played a few with a God Mode cheat (Elder Scrolls: Morrowind, for instance - go into the console, set your stats to whatever you like, get whatever gear the game offers, and find out that nothing in the world can threaten you at level one...). :smile:
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  • twg042370twg042370 Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    happygreenpotato wrote: »
    Seriously any reason?
    1. Been there. Done that. Brought back a t-shirt. Wrote a Wikitravel entry on it.
    2. It's a far better test of your skill to keep your Inferno from doing a face plant.
    3. The Tempest is a death god and worth buying if you're going to buy any AT.
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  • agentnx5agentnx5 Posts: 2,026 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hmm... reasons...?

    1. The three I typically recommend to new players are Marksman, Soldier, and Behemoth. They teach you how to play and understand the game well, and are pretty easy to level up (although behemoth can be slow because of less DPS).

    2. You are bored of Unleashed.

    3. You want to show how experience and personal skill can allow a non-Unleashed archetype to win in PvP duels

    4. You don't care to run content PvE on Elite, the challenge level is just fine.

    5. The archetype matches your character theme. Visuals, lore, whatever.

    6. You're a casual gamer just wanting to play for free

    7. You fill up your weaknesses with good gear and great devices, so now you're more versatile.

    8. You just have more fun playing something else! :smile:


    All perfectly fine reasons there no?

    twg042370 wrote: »
    3. The Tempest is a death god and worth buying if you're going to buy any AT.

    Err say what? "Death god"?! No it ain't! :tongue:

    Tempest v. Soldier, wonder who's deadlier... :wink: (hint: not tempest).

    Tempest v. Archer in PvP duels is funny. (if you're the archer, hint: CC, where's the kaboom?, taser arrow or eruption device, and the root from storm of arrows)

    Jumpy-jumpy-archer, you can't catch them. Oh wait you almost caught me! *evasive maneuvers* Teehee!

    Oh you could also compare against Scourge or Night Avenger, since those are premium archetypes as well. "Oh the humanity!" hehehe

    ^_^

    I guess what I'm trying to say Tempest is lackluster for damage or versatility, a far cry from being god-like.
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  • fudgemonstafudgemonsta Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Haymaker.

    'Nuff said.

    Nothing is more satisfying.
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  • lordgrimmwoodlordgrimmwood Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Because not everyone wants to be a Jedi?

    Seriously though everyone has there likes and dislikes when it comes to AT's and playstyles. Some like melee, some like ranged, and while others like the support in between. Honestly having tried and leveling most of the AT's myself, no one AT is really better than others. All of them have their strengths and weaknesses. It's all about what YOU like.
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  • twg042370twg042370 Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    agentnx5 wrote: »
    I guess what I'm trying to say Tempest is lackluster for damage or versatility, a far cry from being god-like.

    This only means that you can't build.
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  • twg042370twg042370 Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Also, PvP is for mouth-breathers.
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  • twg042370twg042370 Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    ... And premades.
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    edited February 2013
    *triple snap/ head shake*
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  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Posts: 2,967 Arc User1
    edited February 2013
    I wouldn't trade the Savage for any other AT. May not be the most powerful one, but the sheer ease of playing it and how it doesn't have any downtimes in PvE makes it an ideal tool for farming AP's and CI's for example.

    Not the most invincible one, but probably the most "convenient" to play.
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  • twg042370twg042370 Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The Savage is really nice. A better tank than the Behemoth.

    I don't know how good it is for seeing if you can spam your key binds faster than the other players in Ren Cen duel pit. But if you actually play the game it's quite a worthy AT.
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  • agentnx5agentnx5 Posts: 2,026 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    meedacthunist wrote: »
    I wouldn't trade the Savage for any other AT. May not be the most powerful one, but the sheer ease of playing it and how it doesn't have any downtimes in PvE makes it an ideal tool for farming AP's and CI's for example.

    Not the most invincible one, but probably the most "convenient" to play.

    Yay furries! With claws! :biggrin:

    twg042370 wrote: »
    This only means that you can't build.

    *giggles*

    :tongue:

    You keep telling yourself that. And be careful, because those mouth breathers have teeth!

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  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Posts: 2,967 Arc User1
    edited February 2013
    agentnx5 wrote: »
    meedacthunist wrote: »
    I wouldn't trade the Savage for any other AT. May not be the most powerful one, but the sheer ease of playing it and how it doesn't have any downtimes in PvE makes it an ideal tool for farming AP's and CI's for example.

    Not the most invincible one, but probably the most "convenient" to play.
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  • twg042370twg042370 Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    agentnx5 wrote: »
    *giggles*

    :tongue:

    You keep telling yourself that. And be careful, because those mouth breathers have teeth!

    *chomp chomp*

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  • biffsmackwellbiffsmackwell Posts: 4,743 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    fudgemonsta wrote: »
    Haymaker.

    'Nuff said.

    Nothing is more satisfying.

    THANK YOU!

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  • rokurocarisrokurocaris Posts: 1,079 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    To me, the Unleashed is still a spit in the face of all PvPers who fight fair; with stats and skills.
    Every noob can pick the Unleashed, grind to level 40 using alerts without ever leaving the Ren Center, and then spend his time hanging out at the arena, cheap-shooting everyone with a simple two button combo (unless they do the same, only faster) and feel darn awesome about it.
    The Unleashed is a testament to the sad fact of Cryptic favouring the cheap and lazy over the skilled and dedicated players. It is the archetype for honorless people who are not ashamed, and even enjoy to bring a gun to a fist fight.
    I would even say that the Unleashed (or to be percise; this dreaded combo, now available for everyone) is partially responsibly for the comatose state of PvP in Champions Online, since nobody likes to fight- excuse me; lose without a chance to fight against something that requires next to no skill.

    If you play the Unleashed and have the insolence to step into the arena, not only the poor fools who unknowingly accept your challenges, but everyone who does not use cheap tactics himself will rightfully dispise you. In fact, chances are that other cheapshooters will dispise you as well, for using an inferior build without a lunge.

    If you play the Unleashed and don't take it to PvP, I don't care. Mobs won't complain about what you kill them with, and bosses would laugh at futile knock-up attempts if they could.
  • kenpojujitsu3kenpojujitsu3 Posts: 1,325 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    agentnx5 wrote: »
    I guess what I'm trying to say Tempest is lackluster for damage or versatility

    Not sure if serious.
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    edited February 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    I dunno - I've played a few with a God Mode cheat (Elder Scrolls: Morrowind, for instance - go into the console, set your stats to whatever you like, get whatever gear the game offers, and find out that nothing in the world can threaten you at level one...). :smile:
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  • decorumfriendsdecorumfriends Posts: 2,811 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    baroness1980 has the reason for the season:

    1.- Concept
    2.- Concept!
    3.- CONCEPT!


    That is all the reason you need    .

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  • keikomystkeikomyst Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Because Unleashed is stupid and is very huehuehuehue (also Marksman is better)

    Truthfully, though? Thanks to the no diminishing returns bug, an Unleashed can still mindlessly slam their face on the keyboard and roflstomp any other given AT (True story, I got hit for 3k with a Dragon's Wrath on my Blade... while in Masterful Dodge. I only have 5k HP.)

    In short, Unleashed is stupid easymode. Play a Specialist instead. They're cooler.
  • mrkuntamrkunta Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    embracemysword wrote: »
    An unleashed cannot even touch a blade, duh. Ever heard of NTTG? Not a single unleashed has ever been able to even get me close to being defeated. About the movement thing... i duel ranged builds on a regular basis, getting 3-5 stacks of bleed is not really hard to do. Every at has got a self heal, it is called Supernatural possession. An unleashed drops dead after 3-4 shuriken OR just 1 regular embrace, even without a stack of bleed, duh. Blade has no absorption??? Then tell me please, wth is masterful dodge, duh. i see you are one of the "new" players. ^^

    heave a nice day.

    In pvp a good blade would beat a good unleashed most of the time but in pve a good unleasehed would last wayyyyyyyyyyyy longer than a blade when it comes to survivability
  • zahinderzahinder Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I find the lack of lunge is really really REALLY irritating in a melee type. Yes, you can compensate -- but it's, well, irritating.

    The pull is, IMO, almost useless -- I'd rather jump in and beat everybody up than sit there and pull one target to me (and the pull feels really slow, compared to lunge).


    I'm also not fond of Behemoth because knockback is a pain to manage. At least with a freeform character you can shuffle things around with some Infernal slashes or martial arts strikes and then Roomsweeper as a finisher.

    But in groups and places like the Desert, knocking mobs all over the place is really sub-optimal.
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  • drgmstrdrgmstr Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Personally I enjoyed the Unleashed. Though my main is a Blade AT it wasn't until half a year later after starting playing I tried Unleashed. It is a fun class but only PvE wise. I tried it few times in PVP and I just facepalmed. The lack of a lunge just felt out of placed and was always out of range 90% of the time. I just couldn't stay close enough to use my heavy hitter moves and my heals and shields didn't help much for those that are ranged or against a Blade AT. Only those that require you to be at melee most of the time is when I didn't have trouble.
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  • rokurocarisrokurocaris Posts: 1,079 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm not going to defend the Unleashed in any way, but why do people keep saying that the Blade of all things is stronger?

    From my own experience; the Blade is useless until level 40. It is like a glass cannon - without a barrel. All it can do is average melee damage and apply an annoying DoT debuff that interrupts charge-ups and maintains for some reason. Bleeds are not going to win a Blade's battles, Reaper's Embrace does! Until it learns that power, at level 40, the Blade's most effective attack is actually Shuriken spam. :rolleyes:
    And if you somehow manage to get a Blade to level 40 without ragequiting partway to it, you're going to notice the disadvantage against the Unleashed pretty soon: Reaper's Embrace is only powerful if the target is bleeding. Applying multiple Bleed debuffs EVERY TIME before using the finishing move takes time. Time you won't have in a fight against an Unleashed, for Dragon's Wrath can be used without any build-up!

    And don't get me started on the Specialist. That spoony bard only gets average defense and average damage output. No power moves at all!

    The only AT that can easily surpass the Unleashed in terms of damage output is the Night Avenger. No need to bother with Shadow Strike, Ricochet Throw is all you need!
  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,898 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    LOTTA UNLEASHED HATE HERE.



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  • ashensnowashensnow Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The Disciple is highly underrated. Lots of potential there.
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  • chaelkchaelk Posts: 7,746 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Why play anything else.

    It is BORING to just play one thing.

    I like doing all different things, which is why I try all the AT's. Some with COMPLETE and TOTAL incompetence on my part. Some with sheer dumb luck.
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    edited February 2013
    canadascott wrote: »
    Because you love mainstream comics and you want to emulate the guys with super-strength.

    Here here!
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    The same reason someone wants to be an artist instead of an accountant.

    Illogical since an accountant is more bang for your buck, but the best artist shows up on TV while the best accountant only shows up on time.
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  • roughbearmattachroughbearmattach Posts: 4,785 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Also, most players don't engage in PvP. Especially with the demise of the Hero Games, PvP is a tiny niche of players.
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  • embracemyswordembracemysword Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    rokurocaris wrote: »
    I'm not going to defend the Unleashed in any way, but why do people keep saying that the Blade of all things is stronger?

    From my own experience; the Blade is useless until level 40. It is like a glass cannon - without a barrel. All it can do is average melee damage and apply an annoying DoT debuff that interrupts charge-ups and maintains for some reason. Bleeds are not going to win a Blade's battles, Reaper's Embrace does! Until it learns that power, at level 40, the Blade's most effective attack is actually Shuriken spam. :rolleyes:
    And if you somehow manage to get a Blade to level 40 without ragequiting partway to it, you're going to notice the disadvantage against the Unleashed pretty soon: Reaper's Embrace is only powerful if the target is bleeding. Applying multiple Bleed debuffs EVERY TIME before using the finishing move takes time. Time you won't have in a fight against an Unleashed, for Dragon's Wrath can be used without any build-up!

    And don't get me started on the Specialist. That spoony bard only gets average defense and average damage output. No power moves at all!

    The only AT that can easily surpass the Unleashed in terms of damage output is the Night Avenger. No need to bother with Shadow Strike, Ricochet Throw is all you need!



    Actually the Blade has better dps AND better spike dmg than the unleashed.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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