Presence and Hold Strength

nordveig · January 2013

Hi I just need some confirmation on something. I know that Presence can increases the health and duration of crowd control effects but does it depend on the power? For example some powers are specifically listed under crowd control and obvoulsy Presence will affect these powers, but what about others? Condemn under the infernal powerset is not a Crowd Control power but a Ranged Area Attack but has a crowd control effect if you pick a certain advantage, would Presence effect this? What about Movement powers like Void Shift or Ego Blade Dash?

theravenforce · January 2013

nordveig wrote: »

Hi I just need some confirmation on something. I know that Presence can increases the health and duration of crowd control effects but does it depend on the power? For example some powers are specifically listed under crowd control and obvoulsy Presence will affect these powers, but what about others? Condemn under the infernal powerset is not a Crowd Control power but a Ranged Area Attack but has a crowd control effect if you pick a certain advantage, would Presence effect this? What about Movement powers like Void Shift or Ego Blade Dash?

Presence and specs to increase the duration or to proc certain advantages on crowd control powers are meant to work, currently only some do and in a nutshell crowd control is largely unimportant.

Powers which are affected by presence are things like Ego Hold, Ego Sleep. However this mechanic isnt working as the hold HP isnt increased in any way, which means investing in crowd control is a waste of time as it stands.

For Condemn... I would assume since the stun component on the power is a crowd control effect and one of the few useful Crowd Control effects left, Presence would affect it, but it perhaps would make the stun slightly stronger. ( for more confirmation, you'd need Gamehobo to comment here OR look up crowd control threads but I am quite certain I am correct.)

With regards Movement powers Presence shouldnt affect them in any way, unless you are statting PRE as a damaging stat? PRE doesnt contribute to an increase in snaring on EBD. But an increased stun duration on Void Shift would be affected by ranking and Presence to some extent.

Also to increase control effects Support Role is the best role for it. Why? Because in that role crowd control effects are strongest, compared to Hybrid or any other role.

Presence's boost to Crowd Control effects should be universal to every single advantage and power labelled Crowd Control, like Ego Sleep or Ego Hold or has Crowd Control potential, like Condemn or Vengance.

I hope this information helps.

sagewithbubbles · January 2013

Presence boosts hold/stun duration. So it's good for stuns that don't break faster on damage taken (TK Maelstrom, Thunderclap, etc), bad for holds (Ego Hold, Soul Mes, etc) since it doesn't boost hold HP.

The best way to make use of presence-boosted holds is to use them in PvE to hold enemies you aren't directly attacking.

Most of the time, however, it's better to just kill the target, since holds don't work on a lot of things that you'd actually want to stop from attacking you.

nordveig · January 2013

theravenforce wrote: »

Presence and specs to increase the duration or to proc certain advantages on crowd control powers are meant to work, currently only some do and in a nutshell crowd control is largely unimportant.

Powers which are affected by presence are things like Ego Hold, Ego Sleep. However this mechanic isnt working as the hold HP isnt increased in any way, which means investing in crowd control is a waste of time as it stands.

For Condemn... I would assume since the stun component on the power is a crowd control effect and one of the few useful Crowd Control effects left, Presence would affect it, but it perhaps would make the stun slightly stronger. ( for more confirmation, you'd need Gamehobo to comment here OR look up crowd control threads but I am quite certain I am correct.)

With regards Movement powers Presence shouldnt affect them in any way, unless you are statting PRE as a damaging stat? PRE doesnt contribute to an increase in snaring on EBD. But an increased stun duration on Void Shift would be affected by ranking and Presence to some extent.

Also to increase control effects Support Role is the best role for it. Why? Because in that role crowd control effects are strongest, compared to Hybrid or any other role.

Presence's boost to Crowd Control effects should be universal to every single advantage and power labelled Crowd Control, like Ego Sleep or Ego Hold or has Crowd Control potential, like Condemn or Vengance.

I hope this information helps.

Yes the information does help. You seem to be saying it does make a difference but in the end it's not really worth it. I think I have noticed that when I paralyze enemies they seem to be paralyzed for longer but I could be wrong. The reason why I'm asking is because there is a Presence specialization that increases hold strength I'm thinking now based on what you said it's not worth it and maybe I should have spent it on something else.

theravenforce · January 2013

nordveig wrote: »

Yes the information does help. You seem to be saying it does make a difference but in the end it's not really worth it. I think I have noticed that when I paralyze enemies they seem to be paralyzed for longer but I could be wrong. The reason why I'm asking is because there is a Presence specialization that increases hold strength I'm thinking now based on what you said it's not worth it and maybe I should have spent it on something else.

Dominion does help with paralyzes and sleeps this effect is expanded upon when used in conjunction with Manipulator Form.

gamehobo · January 2013

You may want to read the rantings of a madman.

Presence and Hold Strength

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