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I went off on a bit of a rant.
Hopefully nothing too out of line, but the silence is getting out of hand.
Hopefully nothing too out of line, but the silence is getting out of hand.
Choose your enemies carefully, because they will define you / Make them interesting, because in some ways they will mind you
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
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i want to see this game to be a beacon of hope and cheer. but instead we or in the dark wondering if this game will even exsist next year. i understand they need to get to get neverwinter out. but to neglect this game is wrong. our worries our frustrations are ignored by the 1 person who should be a lifeline to the devs. instead where is he? hes over on neverwinter even though they already have a community manager.
am i going to play this game next. i really dont know. its 1 thing when you have enough content to run to max level of 50. but we are running the same old missions to l40.
I say stuff and I say things, sometimes together but only when I'm feeling adventurous.
I'm @blu8 in game!
I've never understood this. What exactly were you expecting? Other games didn't even acknowledge it (and they seem quite fine, their business is good, and the life goes on). This is one of the few games to go out of their way to acknowledge this group, since others outright ignored them or hazed them into oblivion (looking at you DCUO). Then again, DCUO didn't have to deal with a number of threads about the same thing so maybe they were onto to something. That said I'm not saying "shut up and be grateful" (but I'm sure people will see it as such since the "you're either with us or against us" mentality is reaching a fevered pitch), I'm simply saying that among the many valid complaints, this one rings hollow to me.
And finally, I seriously think all the complaints would be more effective if people consolidated their complaints to a few threads rather than a large series of random threads on the same thing that while filled with legitimate complaints, are also filled with snark or exaggerated outrage.
There was an opportunity for CO in CoX's closure. With some timely action and savvy public relations, Cryptic could have grown its market share. Acknowledging the CoX expatriates was nice. The non-existent rest of Cryptic's reaction tells a tale of management disinterest in CO.
Those who are railing against Cryptic's disinterest are imo wasting their time. However, it IS their's to waste. If they think the game is worth fighting for, more power to them. And no, the complaints are not going to be effective, consolidated or not.
I been a long time leaving but I'm going to be a long time gone.
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T.U.F.K.A.S. (the user formerly known as Scarlyng)
Wrong on the CO forums since November, 2008
Something to counteract all the people saying this game is dead in the water...because, until they do that, then those people are basically right, and "dead in the water" isn't exactly an attractive notion to a large group of possible customers who just had their ship unceremoniously sunk to the ocean floor.
Something as simple as an until progress report would have impressed me, to be honest.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
Seems some people don't get that if people complain about the lack of care on the game and lack of Dev presence is BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT ANOTHER HERO GAME TO GO DOWN UNDER.
The potential for greatness on this game is incredible, but that means it needs an active dev team, crafting new stories, making the game grow... instead of just releasing overpriced fluff
Was it mismanagement? Other companies ignored them and are getting along fine. I don't think CO needed to do any more than what they did. Certainly a lot better than the "get over it already" messages tossed about on DCUO and the outright cold shoulder the devs over there gave. Again, I don't see what more could have been done, outside of a new zone or something. Release a new AT maybe? If it sucks, people will slam it for being a shoddily thrown together mess. If it is good, people will call it OP and say it needs to be nerfed (hi Unleashed). Cryptic has it's issues but this one just sounds like people coming up with stuff for the sake of it or some kind of entitlement issue, which makes it hard to take some of the complaints seriously.
When trying to push for change, leave the more outlandish or petty stuff at home. I think they made a honest effort, especially when compared to other companies. I don't think they could do anything that would have been greatly appreciated by the greater number of people outside of a new zone.
Nothing short of a new zone would have probably gotten some complaints. We got a message on the front page and some fanfare. That's a lot more than a mere UNTIL report. I mean, why did some of them end up in Secret World? I can't imagine a lack of content would be an issue for a new person.
"You're either with us or against us". I'm all for pushing for changes but this kind of stuff just marginalizes people. Unnecessarily.
Again, I don't disagree (for the most part) with OP's message or even her methods. I don't think one can really hold it against Cryptic for not rolling out the red carpet since they made a fairly solid effort with what they have imo. Anything else would require tossing something together at the last second and we all know how badly things go when Cryptic does that...
The idea of wanting necessary changes to the game is a noble one. And I applaud people for having the heart to care about the game enough to do something. But at the same time, what should be a deliberate, thought out, measured response is looking more like wild and disorganized fanaticism. It really feels like it (and I' m sure there are people proud of that) but it really shouldn't. My fear is that instead of getting what we want, the message will be misconstrued or lost in all the craziness and we'll end up with something we never asked for. I mean, it has happened before after all. That said, I will say that I'm glad we've come to the point (in some places) where we're talking about ideas and how they could be made viable as opposed to the standard doom and glooooom.
And now I'm all kinds of mad for writing this much. *kicks over stuff in his best Grond impersonation*
You should probably take that up with Smackwell via private message like you're supposed to.
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What would I have done if given oversight and a budget? Developed a plan for the growth of the game, outlined it and then communicated it in addition to the welcome speech. Instead of seeing something like that, people are seeing cries for attention on the forums and zone chat, which when about the game seems to be highly critical. As a potential new customer, I'd be thinking twice about throwing money at Cryptic.
And just how did you get "mismanagement" out of "management disinterest?" It isn't mismanagement if things are going according to plan.
I been a long time leaving but I'm going to be a long time gone.
Willie Nelson
T.U.F.K.A.S. (the user formerly known as Scarlyng)
Wrong on the CO forums since November, 2008
You quoted a post that was deleted. Without the quote, your post was without context and would serve no purpose other than to confuse readers. You didn't really do anything wrong, just got caught in the cleanup.
Also for future reference, it's best to not quote posts with offensive content.
you are certainly vocal in the way that you categorise people who don't agree with your cryptic-centric point of view.Tell me jonsills, do you disagree, at all, in the way that Cryptic is handling player feedback on the forums at the moment? (i.e ignoring us)
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Please do, some of us think that things should be improved HERE. Defending the status quo is getting pretty old.
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Fair enough.
He does that alot. Just try not to get dragged into the futility of fighting with somebody who acts like he sees nothing wrong. In reality, it's more like "well, it's not a problem for ME, so it can't be a problem for anybody." That's how a lot of his arguments seem to read lately. Basically, the impression I've gotten is, "well, if you thought like I do, you would enjoy the game as I do." Which is logically fallacious in ALL sorts of ways...
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I don't think people literally meant that CO could've done more in that they could've added more stuff to do, but just that they could've Fabreezed the smell of death in the air. It's not a comfortable feeling leaving a house that got demolished and walking into a new one that looks similar to the old house but seems to be falling apart, and no one doing renovations. I've caught myself wondering already "where do we go if CO goes under too?" I can't speak for all of the CoX refugees, but I think most would be okay if we'd seen an Ask Cryptic or UNTIL Report soon after CoH's servers went dark; just something to say "welcome to your new home, hope you enjoy your stay, and no the foundation is not cracking." I hope that makes sense.
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So he should not say anything? C'mon man, that's not fair.
But I shouldn't have interjected. It's between y'all. Just commenting on how it looks like to me.
I don't know. Personally, I was surprised they acknowledged it. I was more expecting them to make some kind of (excuse the pun) cryptic or veiled reference (to avoid possible lawsuits I guess) to CoX while launching some sort of new player initiative/welcome. I guess they could have done that or readdressed the issue but I can see why Cryptic would think they made an effort since other games didn't with some eve taking pleasure in the whole thing.
Which, of course, wins you the coveted "Not Worth My Time" award. Enjoy!
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Your posts? Which one of them?
Seriously it's like you're spending most of your daytime spamming the same obnoxious and out-of-touch mantra all over the forums, with only a bit of rewording.
Have you read this http://www.shmoop.com/candide/dr-pangloss.html?
Because if not, you must read it. Now. Then read it again.
How you managed to travel back in time and have Voltaire include you in one of his works is beyond me, but there's nothing to be proud of, Dr Pangloss.
Now please, it's X-mas, it's going to be a new year, so I beg you, stop being a **** ******* ****** *** ******, and get help asap.
Thanks you.
QFT.
I especially love this statement being made from someone taking part in it:
Y u no have Xmas spirit?